[Scrimble]

didnt realise they were a grand new! seems very expensive for what your getting

[Dean Taberner]

It depends which way you look at it mate. Mine will pay for itself in less than a month. 

[michael papworth]

Freedom trolley + pole and brush + water plant = £995

Add in another £200 or so for water butt, spare 25 litre containers, microfibre cloths and a bucket.

Plus a vehicle (which you probably already have)

You've got yourself a fully-operational business for less than £1200.

All you need to do is go out and canvass up a good round bit by bit, and you've got yourself a comfortable living.

There aren't many businesses that you can start for such a low capital investment.

The great thing about window cleaning is that your greatest capital asset is YOU.

[TennetClean]

and then 2 months later get a van and van-mounted system when you realise that trolleys of any kind are actually pretty rubbish and most of the time you end up working directly out of the vehicle anyway rather than pulling a ridiculous trolley from house to house.

and then kick yourself that you wasted £1200

[michael papworth]

Some people think fast and play hard.

Others think smart and play smart.

Guess which ones are the consistent winners.

[Pj]

We have a vanmount we've run for about 2 1/2 years along with a backpack.
The backpack served it's purpose as some of our work is impossible to access any other way.
After much deliberation we bought a Freedom Trolley about 2 months ago.

Now we run the vanmount and Freedom trolley together.
It's expensive at £600 but we wouldn't be without it.  Once the money's spent it's the right tool available when you need it.  It's ideal for some of our work.
Theres no going back to the backpack Jack!

[TennetClean]

Guess which ones are the consistent winners.

Are the consistent winners those who only started window cleaning last month but already think they're able to give advice to others?

Anybody who has been doing WFP for any amount of time knows as well as I do that messing about with trolleys is a waste of time.  Van mounted systems are where its at.

[alan andrewswestsi]

i fail to understand why anyone could prefer lifting a trolley in and out of a vehicle all day long and then the 25 l can runs out , please do your self a favour and get yourself a van mount , and yes i did start with the freedom trolley , but the best thing i did was strip it and turn it into a van mount with 100 m microbore  , why do people who should no better persist with these overpriced bits of kit regards alan

[Pj]

Guess which ones are the consistent winners.

Are the consistent winners those who only started window cleaning last month but already think they're able to give advice to others?

Anybody who has been doing WFP for any amount of time knows as well as I do that messing about with trolleys is a waste of time.  Van mounted systems are where its at.

I've been cleaning windows now into my 22nd year.  How long have you?

Oh just to remind you, we have been using vanmount for 2 1/2 years full time and now we use trolley too.  No regrets

We do enclosed courtyards that have no access by ladders, no safe entry with hose, so what time saving device would you suggest?  In your wealth of experience!

[TennetClean]

PJ i was talking to wally who started last month, not you.

You said

it's the right tool available when you need it.

which is fair comment, but wally the wally is on about a trolley as the main thing to use for working, which clearly demonstrates that he doesnt have a clue (which is what you'd expect for a newbie, but dont then give advice about it LOL).  What a wally.

[michael papworth]

There is the story about a holiday-maker who was lost in Ireland. He stopped and asked the way to Ballymurphy. The person he asked said, "Well. If I was going there, I certainly wouldn't start from here."

The whole point is that you have to start from where you are. And for very many people, starting with the freedom trolley or a home-made trolley is an excellent way in. If you stick with it as some people have done, that simply means that you are happy with it. If you move on to a van-mounted system, that simply means that the system suits you better.

Neither one is superior to the other in every case.

We are all different individuals and different things suit us at different times and at different stages of our development.

There is a principle called Ashby's Law of Requisite Variety which states that the part of the system which has the greatest flexibility of response, exerts the greatest control. Think about that at the appropriate speed and play with the ideas in a variety of ways and learnings will occur.

[elite mike]

hi wally
dont take any notice of tc

he is always right   
regards
mike

[TennetClean]

thats great wally, really.  I feel truly inspired, and slightly emotional. 

However, back on planet earth, it doesnt change the fact that you've only being window cleaning for a month and know basically nothing.  And hence are not in the best position to be giving advice.

Van system IS better than trolley system.  Most people who know what they're on about (and who are not newbies like youself) would not disagree with that.  Wasting £1200 on a trolley when you actually need a van system is quite simply bad advice.

[NWH]

Anyone who says a trolley is better than a vanmount have no experience of a vanmount,a trolley or backpack is good for the odd awkward window and that`s it.People buy trolleys because there either curious of WFP or can`t afford to go the whole hog of a vanmount,there`s no competition don`t get fooled into thinking there is.

[Pj]

I give up with you boys!



You're all experts! :

[NWH]

I give up with you boys!



You're all experts! :

Put it this way you wouldn`t go from a vanmount to a trolley,you would go from a trolley to a vanmount.I`m not knocking trolley users what ever floats your boat,i`m just saying which is easier overall.I have a backpack and have only used it 3 times in a year as i thought it would compliment the vanmount but i find myself never needing it,when i did use it i found myself constantly looking to see if i was running out of water,you don`t have that problem when you`ve got 600ltrs at the end of a hosereel.

[brightnclean]

I give up with you boys!



You're all experts! :

LOL!!!    Now now PJ.. you've only been window cleaning for 22 yrs  

There aint half some rubbish posted on here lately.

I love the armchair experts .. NOT!  :

[Paul Coleman]

Guess which ones are the consistent winners.

Are the consistent winners those who only started window cleaning last month but already think they're able to give advice to others?

Anybody who has been doing WFP for any amount of time knows as well as I do that messing about with trolleys is a waste of time.  Van mounted systems are where its at.

I agree that a van mount is a much better way of doing things - for me anyway.  However, I reckon that some sort of mobile water carrier such as a trolley is good to have as a backup in case your van is off the road for a few days.  That way you can fill some containers and the trolley and go out and earn.  I doubt I would earn as much as with a van mount but at least I would be earning something.
I think I've got sunstroke.  I just agreed with TC (I think).

[Paul Coleman]

thats great wally, really.  I feel truly inspired, and slightly emotional. 

However, back on planet earth, it doesnt change the fact that you've only being window cleaning for a month and know basically nothing.  And hence are not in the best position to be giving advice.

Van system IS better than trolley system.  Most people who know what they're on about (and who are not newbies like youself) would not disagree with that.  Wasting £1200 on a trolley when you actually need a van system is quite simply bad advice.

You do make a good point but do you really have to be so insulting about it?

[brightnclean]

This topic was going along quite nicely until Tuppence Clean.. oops.. sorry his friends call him that    butted in with his Tuppence worth.

It's now degenerated into a debate about what is best. Actually and this is fact. (Coz I'm saying it)  a combination of the two is best. errr  like wat PJ says. But what would he know after only 22 yrs in the business?