Interested In Advertising? | Contact Us Here
Warning!

 

Welcome to Clean It Up; the UK`s largest cleaning forum with over 34,000 members

 

Please login or register to post and reply to topics.      

 

Forgot your password? Click here

Dean Aspects

  • Posts: 1786
Gutter vac
« on: April 12, 2008, 09:35:58 am »
Would this be any use to convert to a gutter vac

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190209808648&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=009

Obviously the 80ltr one is the one i am looking at

Dean

matt

Re: Gutter vac
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2008, 12:08:52 pm »
thats the 1 that andy was going to use i belive

im sure he will along to let you know how it went

Mr H

  • Posts: 615
Re: Gutter vac
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2008, 06:33:38 pm »
Not really powerful enough for anything above a bunglow.

Even the upkeeper uses a 5.5hp engine and that only goes up to 25ft.

You really need a 3 x 1200 similar to those sold by Gardiners or Dualpumps.

Regards
Mr H


Dean Aspects

  • Posts: 1786
Re: Gutter vac
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2008, 09:11:36 am »
So i would need one with a more powerful motor then??

Dean

Glyn H

Re: Gutter vac
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2008, 10:52:07 am »
You could buy a basic 3 x1200 watt from Dual Pumps or Gardeners the list price has risen in the last month due to the strength of the Euro to £505.00 or £514.00 + VAT depending on whether you want the 110 or the 240 model. THESE MODELS  CAN ALSO BE BOUGHT FROM US and you wont need to wait as they are usually in stock.
You will then need to carry out a conversion to 51mm and will also require  reinforced NON-KINK 51mm hose - not sold by Dual pumps or Gardeners you will then need a full set of tools to reach into the different depth and width gutters in various angles and sizes again not sold by Gardeners or Dual pumps you could then buy a carbon fibre pole from Gardeners which will wear out very quickly due to the debris such as fragments of broken roof tile , gravel etc. being sucked down the fragile carbon tubes (this has been tried and tested by Jeff Brimble who managed to wear away the inner of the tubes in under two hours use) . Or you could buy the complete system that has been tried, tested and improved over many years from Omnipole and telephone us for free advice or to a have a custom tool made for any specific job.
Andy Cheyney was on the phone to us Friday wanting to buy all the extra bits and pieces that cannot be sourced any where else, maybe he will save one or two hundred pounds when he has finaly got the system working and its only cost him hours of phone calls and weeks trying to get all the bits needed and then building it him self - how does  this is savemoney he could have bought from us and been working and have paid for the kit many times over by now. Kevin Red has posted saying he has paid for his complete Omnipole guttervac/camera/gutterwash system more than 16 times over in the last six Months which is  probably close to £70 to 80,000.
a 24' COMPLETE patent pending, free back up advice, network of operators to pass jobs to one another, Omnipole GutterVAC is only £1090.00 + VAT
Work out the cost of a carbon pole and a basic unconverted 3x1200 vac , complete with the wrong type of hose and no gutter tools from Gardeners!
http://www.omni-guttervac.com/Microsoft%20Word%20-%20GutterVac%20complete%20system%20price%20list.pdf

Nathanael Jones

  • Posts: 5596
Re: Gutter vac
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2008, 11:23:37 am »
I never realised the GutterVAC was so cheap,.. maybe it was the Ionics one where the extremely high price stuck in my head!

Still,.. above 24' I reckon the SL2 is the tool of choice, and the cost of worn sections can be included when quoting for the job.

cvdewsbury

Re: Gutter vac
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2008, 11:30:10 am »
glyn....i,ve already got the powerpole from you is this what you use with your omnivac or has the pole been  modified?

Glyn H

Re: Gutter vac
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2008, 01:34:09 pm »
Hi
The original guttervac used our standard powerpole with some extra fittings so the vac hose ran down the outside of the the powerpole. The new guttervac uses large bore aerospace alloy tubes and the vac hose connects to the pole base.
To answer your question a powerpole can be used but it is heavier.

Hi Natanael
How can you price a compete new SL2 for every guttervac job you do. That would be insane. Each job is going to cost you £500 or £600 in new tubes.

darren73

  • Posts: 290
Re: Gutter vac
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2008, 01:43:20 pm »
hi glyn-i was wondering what the powerwasher is used for-would the guttervac would do the job 100% on its own without the need for a powerwasher

darren73

  • Posts: 290
Re: Gutter vac
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2008, 01:49:40 pm »
also could you email me some details on the finance at 5.73 per week-how many years is it over/interest/etc and a price on delivery to northern ireland

Alex Gardiner

  • Posts: 7744
Re: Gutter vac
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2008, 02:30:42 pm »
You could buy a basic 3 x1200 watt from Dual Pumps or Gardeners the list price has risen in the last month due to the strength of the Euro to £505.00 or £514.00 + VAT depending on whether you want the 110 or the 240 model. THESE MODELS  CAN ALSO BE BOUGHT FROM US and you wont need to wait as they are usually in stock.
You will then need to carry out a conversion to 51mm and will also require  reinforced NON-KINK 51mm hose - not sold by Dual pumps or Gardeners you will then need a full set of tools to reach into the different depth and width gutters in various angles and sizes again not sold by Gardeners or Dual pumps you could then buy a carbon fibre pole from Gardeners which will wear out very quickly due to the debris such as fragments of broken roof tile , gravel etc. being sucked down the fragile carbon tubes (this has been tried and tested by Jeff Brimble who managed to wear away the inner of the tubes in under two hours use) . Or you could buy the complete system that has been tried, tested and improved over many years from Omnipole and telephone us for free advice or to a have a custom tool made for any specific job.
Andy Cheyney was on the phone to us Friday wanting to buy all the extra bits and pieces that cannot be sourced any where else, maybe he will save one or two hundred pounds when he has finaly got the system working and its only cost him hours of phone calls and weeks trying to get all the bits needed and then building it him self - how does  this is savemoney he could have bought from us and been working and have paid for the kit many times over by now. Kevin Red has posted saying he has paid for his complete Omnipole guttervac/camera/gutterwash system more than 16 times over in the last six Months which is  probably close to £70 to 80,000.
a 24' COMPLETE patent pending, free back up advice, network of operators to pass jobs to one another, Omnipole GutterVAC is only £1090.00 + VAT
Work out the cost of a carbon pole and a basic unconverted 3x1200 vac , complete with the wrong type of hose and no gutter tools from Gardeners!
http://www.omni-guttervac.com/Microsoft%20Word%20-%20GutterVac%20complete%20system%20price%20list.pdf

Whilst we do not promote or recommend the use of the SL2 as a guttervac, there are several of our clients who have very successfully been using them as such for quite a while now.

While I'm at it I'll clarify a couple of points in your post Glyn -we do actually sell 51 mm reinforced hose, (which I'm sure is not identical to yours) and the wear rate has not been tested on an SL2 by Jeff has it, or am I mistaken?  The person to ask about real world wear rates is Mr H as he has used his converted SL2 on many gutter jobs now and I do not believe he has had to factor in a replacement pole for each job, if he has he certainly hasn't bought them from us!

Glyn H

Re: Gutter vac
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2008, 02:32:46 pm »
Either of the systems may be used for cleaning gutters on their own, but ideally they are used for different aspects of cleaning:-

The Power washer can be used to blast out blocked down pipes and throughly wash the gutters inside and out to make them thoroughly clean and also to clean soffits,weather boards etc. this system can also be used to clean high level brick work, stone and carry out high level paint and graffiti removal ( with chemicals) as well as some types of cladding, and roofing materials.
The Vac is used mostlly to remove large build ups of soil, broken roof tiles, grit, gravel and self seeded saplings such as sycamore or budlea.

For very impacted dirt or rooted plants  in the gutter firstly the PowerPole with a gutter spike attachement in place is used to break up the earth etc. then the guttervac is used to vac everthing out.

Glyn H

Re: Gutter vac
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2008, 02:39:42 pm »
Alex
The hose shown on your site is black standard 51mm vac hose this hose was found to kink and this is not the hose we supply.
We supply lightweight reinforced silver hose that will not kink.

Jeff posted photographs of a carbon pole I thought it was an SL2 but could be mistaken, however their is no denying that an aluminium tube designed to be used for gutter cleaning will outlast any brand of carbon fibre poles by years.

Alex Gardiner

  • Posts: 7744
Re: Gutter vac
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2008, 02:49:28 pm »
We have had both the grey and black types of hose in stock and have found not much difference between the two.  I suppose it all depends on the exact manufacturer used for each one.  The carbon poles that Jeff tested were not the SL2 as he has only ever briefly held an SL2.  I would agree with you that a carbon fibre tube is not going to withstand the same level of abuse as aluminium tubing -it's back to the old durability versus weight versus adaptability issue.  Personally, whenever I have a high level commercial gutter cleaning job I still call in the cherry pickers!  :)

Glyn H

Re: Gutter vac
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2008, 02:55:26 pm »
Quote
Personally, whenever I have a high level commercial gutter cleaning job I still call in the cherry pickers! 

Of course this is true our biggest customer turns over £20,000,000 a year cleaning and maintaining gutters nationwide and run their own large fleet of cherry pickers but they have the option of choosing our the Guttervac system or cherry pickers depending on the job.

Their is a very big difference in using the black hose and the silver hose - the black hose is easily crushed and tangles the silver doesnt. The silver hose is also much lighter.

Alex Gardiner

  • Posts: 7744
Re: Gutter vac
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2008, 04:48:06 pm »
Quote
Personally, whenever I have a high level commercial gutter cleaning job I still call in the cherry pickers! 

Their is a very big difference in using the black hose and the silver hose - the black hose is easily crushed and tangles the silver doesnt. The silver hose is also much lighter.

Our black hose is not easily crushed, perhaps the hose you used originally was different to ours. The black hose on our web-site is not standard plastic vacuum hose, but is industrial vacuum hose, which is well able to withstand being crushed.

Glyn H

Re: Gutter vac
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2008, 04:51:09 pm »
The black hose I am refering too is the type supplied by Dual Pumps which I can only presume is who you purchasse it from, along with their Vacuum cleaner.

Alex Gardiner

  • Posts: 7744
Re: Gutter vac
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2008, 04:56:57 pm »
The black hose I am refering too is the type supplied by Dual Pumps which I can only presume is who you purchasse it from, along with their Vacuum cleaner.

No we do not source the hose from Dual Pumps, as the hose that they supply is as you say not really good enough for the job. We source ours from a different wholesale supplier.

Mr H

  • Posts: 615
Re: Gutter vac
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2008, 06:04:45 pm »
You could buy a basic 3 x1200 watt from Dual Pumps or Gardeners the list price has risen in the last month due to the strength of the Euro to £505.00 or £514.00 + VAT depending on whether you want the 110 or the 240 model. THESE MODELS  CAN ALSO BE BOUGHT FROM US and you wont need to wait as they are usually in stock.
You will then need to carry out a conversion to 51mm and will also require  reinforced NON-KINK 51mm hose - not sold by Dual pumps or Gardeners you will then need a full set of tools to reach into the different depth and width gutters in various angles and sizes again not sold by Gardeners or Dual pumps you could then buy a carbon fibre pole from Gardeners which will wear out very quickly due to the debris such as fragments of broken roof tile , gravel etc. being sucked down the fragile carbon tubes (this has been tried and tested by Jeff Brimble who managed to wear away the inner of the tubes in under two hours use) . Or you could buy the complete system that has been tried, tested and improved over many years from Omnipole and telephone us for free advice or to a have a custom tool made for any specific job.
Andy Cheyney was on the phone to us Friday wanting to buy all the extra bits and pieces that cannot be sourced any where else, maybe he will save one or two hundred pounds when he has finaly got the system working and its only cost him hours of phone calls and weeks trying to get all the bits needed and then building it him self - how does  this is savemoney he could have bought from us and been working and have paid for the kit many times over by now. Kevin Red has posted saying he has paid for his complete Omnipole guttervac/camera/gutterwash system more than 16 times over in the last six Months which is  probably close to £70 to 80,000.
a 24' COMPLETE patent pending, free back up advice, network of operators to pass jobs to one another, Omnipole GutterVAC is only £1090.00 + VAT
Work out the cost of a carbon pole and a basic unconverted 3x1200 vac , complete with the wrong type of hose and no gutter tools from Gardeners!
http://www.omni-guttervac.com/Microsoft%20Word%20-%20GutterVac%20complete%20system%20price%20list.pdf

Can I first state for the record that I have NEVER tried to put the Omnipole Gutter-vac system down.
The other thing I want to say is that the Jeff test was done with a short length of Carbonfibre fishing pole using only sharp grit, it was horizontal and in Jeff's words "Probable compounded the wear by a factor of 100."

The other week I was able to use both my diy gutter-vacuum and an Omnipole Gutter-vac. The Omniopole definatly looks the part and does a good job to. Although the hose to vac manifold could have done this being black or chrome.  The Omnipole also has ready made connectors to help clean the gutters out. It was also quicker at doing the gutters but some of this extra speed would be down to a more experienced operator and my diy system still needing some "tweeks". I have NEVER tried to say the Omnipole system is not a ood system. All I have done is tried to show people how they can get MORE use out of a high reaching lightweight carbonfibre pole that otherwise might be sat in the garage for weeks inbetween window cleans.
For buildings up to 2 storeys then the Omnipole is brilliant but above that it does start to feel heavy and take it out of your sholders. The Omnipole site recommends a 2 man operation including a supporting pole for heights above 36ft. The diy SL2 system using Carbonfibre can still be used by 1 man uto 60ft and thats when it really comes into its own. If some one is using a gutter system on a very regular basis on standard houses then they would be looking for a dedicated system and the Omnipole system is the best for that. It also knocks the socks off the overpriced, non UK gutter compatable (Ionic salesmans words not mine) Upkeeper.
But if you want to utilise a pole you may already be thinking of buying or need to go higher for longer, then a strong Carbonfibre system will then prove better.
My DIY system has been used for a few months now and actually shows no signs of wear on the inside or on the joins. Time will tell as to when I will need to start buying new sections. I certainly don't factor in a new pole for every job although a recent job I did paid for my entire system nearly 4 times over as I could go where scaffolding would have cost a fortune and cherry pickers could not go. I was actually half the price of using scaffolding / cherry pickers and was finished in a day compared to a day just to put up the scaffolding.

I'm actually surprised that you haven't tried a strength test yourself Glynn using the Emporium poles to enable higher 1 man use of your system. Nor do you have the gutter attachments advertised seperately on your site for those that might want to purchase them but not the gutter-vac. It would still be sales in the till..!!

So its a case of horses for courses.
There are many things the Omnipole gutter cleaning system can do that the DIY system can't and things the diy system can do that the Omniopole system can't........
Either way. In my limited opinion they both do their job better that any other gutter cleaning system currently on the market....... If I had the space, the money and Glyn sold the gutter-vac pole seperatly, I would consider having both..!!!!

Regards
Mr H


Jeff Brimble

  • Posts: 4347
Re: Gutter vac
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2008, 07:06:57 pm »
Just been round my town and 90% of the potential gutter work is below 26ft. Having experimented using sharp gravel http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=52461.0  I have decided to upgrade my diy system (Map fishing pole extensions June 2007) to Omni for all work below 26-30ft.


 I was impressed by the engineering of Glyns system and paticulary the 50mm Alu sections, at Windex and liked the head tools he has developed.

For the other 10% I will risk a couple of c/f extension on the top for the limited use they will have.