[d s windowcleaning]

No offense and to bring a bit of balance, but those videos prove absolutley nothing! You could do the same with a broom stick. For all Alex's graphs, facts and figures this is the scientific process for pole strength and endurance??? it's laughable and very gimmicky. I know users of this pole and they themselves say 'you have to be careful' and it not for everyday use. They come across as the 'WFP Geeks' choice and not for the mass market - or am I wrong?

seems to me window cleaning warehose wont be stocking these poles then and are maybe biased when the truth is known .

[Jeff Brimble]

Tried to stay out of this one. But..
Any light pole needs only enough strength for it to the the job its designed to do, as is the Emporium,Sl2 or for that matter the original Map F16 from http://www.cheshirefishing.co.uk/shop/mappoles.htm at £249 its a bargain that will get you adequately  to 42ft and is strong enough.
The Emporium currently at 88ft does have  the theoretical capability of 100ft though.( with the right procedures) ... ahh well, one day 

[Alex Gardiner]

No offense and to bring a bit of balance, but those videos prove absolutley nothing! You could do the same with a broom stick. For all Alex's graphs, facts and figures this is the scientific process for pole strength and endurance??? it's laughable and very gimmicky. I know users of this pole and they themselves say 'you have to be careful' and it not for everyday use. They come across as the 'WFP Geeks' choice and not for the mass market - or am I wrong?

I am certainly not going to be showing you our sales figures foxman. Not for the mass market, mmmm, that would be telling. 

Oh I notice that Ionics have knocked 30% off the list price of their Ergolite 3 range!

[Mr H]

Ionics claim in their 2008 catalogue that the E3 is "Probably" the lightest waterfed pole available anwhere.
But at 7.1Kg for the 60ft, its nearly 3 times the weight and with the discount its still more than twice the price of the SL2.

Shows just how much they know about the WFP market.........

Regards
Mr H

[Captain Scarlet]

Jeff, if there is going to be somebody who is going to pole at 100ft properly, then it will be you. I cant wait for the day, Luke

[sair]

did some one say a new modular for omni pole or did i miss read, seeing as all the main suppliers bo hoowd the concept. sounds interesting, hope there as light.

they are they way forward, my original prototype from alex has just been retired, it has done over ££$£%^& . work. although will still be used at 45ft
since we first had, as delicate as they are thats been in daily use, lasted as long as as other poles would have and thats the delicate one. the sl2 will prove to last longer.

luke there are others who worked at that height that jeff works at , we are just a little shy about it and useless with cameras. 

[Captain Scarlet]

Yes, Glyn mentioned a new modular he will eventually release........sounds interesting. Like Alex said before the SL2 is proving a true alternative to a telescopic for big heights because they are having so few problems with breaking and wear. So unlike the fishing poles and sl1 its a more viable alternative.

The only modular "fishing" style pole I would give a sceptic to try and help them see the light would be a SL2, I think that says it all in a way, Luke

[Captain Scarlet]

quoted from the Gardiner site regarding the SL2

Due to un-precedented demand we are currently out of stock. We will have them back in stock shortly

So they are going somewhere!

[williamx]

No offense and to bring a bit of balance, but those videos prove absolutley nothing! You could do the same with a broom stick. For all Alex's graphs, facts and figures this is the scientific process for pole strength and endurance??? it's laughable and very gimmicky. I know users of this pole and they themselves say 'you have to be careful' and it not for everyday use. They come across as the 'WFP Geeks' choice and not for the mass market - or am I wrong?

Gardiners facts and figures of the differences between various poles is a simple way of showing what each pole can do.

It might not be that scientific but its believable, on the tv show "myth-busters" they show what various products can and cannot do, its not done in laboratory conditions with rules and regulations that nobody understands, but its done in a way that proves its point, in ways that anyone can understand.

Gardiner's do these tests to show in simple terms what it products, can and cannot do in comparisons to other suppliers products.

Most of the other suppliers simple state that their product is the best thing since sliced bread and all the other companies products come a poorly second, but how do we know this.

If you think and know that you product is the best why not show us in simple terms that we can all understand.

These tests are taken with a pinch of salt, but they do give some insight on what they can do.

On the "window cleaning warehouse catalogue" it states "you've got the most versatile and durable pole on the market" on the DURApole carbon fibre 45' pro pole.

How do we know this? have they done loads of test and compiled all the data to show that what they saying is true? if so can we all see it? or is it top secret?

[Captain Scarlet]

I think the Durapole does what is says on the tin. Its extremely durable and was just as stiff as the "special" xtel pole Aquafactors were showing. Ive held it down at the Window Cleaning Warehouse, it is mega tough. Luke

[Jeff Brimble]

Tony, I guess you used your prototype pretty much daily. What sort of chips breaks or splits over the whole period did you inflict on it for it to finaly have been retired ? I ask because we need to learn lessons and your experience could progress the developement of modulars.

[Captain Scarlet]

Thats what I think Jeff, the more people experimenting and devoloping the better. Its better for us Window Cleaners! Luke

[Captain Scarlet]

I think that Emporium has huge potential to better their pole and become a modular leader along with Gardiners. Alan has good composite and carbon understanding and experience so he has the experience to make more good products in the future. Luke

[williamx]

DURApole was at the Windex show for a start, for anyone to hold and examine! .

But what about the ones who don't know about windex, or didn't turn up?

I did and I held every pole there, and IMO the emporium one was the lightest pole on show, as for it being the best, who can say, some will feel that it is, while others will go for another pole as being better, but for the ones who have seen neither, how will they know?.

That's why some of these videos and personal recommendation, help them decide whats might be ok for their needs.

[poleman]

quoted from the Gardiner site regarding the SL2

Due to un-precedented demand we are currently out of stock. We will have them back in stock shortly

So they are going somewhere!

Just my luck  Alex, when is a new patch SL2 due in! as I would like to place a order for SL2 Extension Sections for my gutter system! need 4 to get me up to 25ft
 

[Alex Gardiner]

The extension sections are due in in the next couple of weeks.

The trouble with these type of poles is that you have to book the factory production run about 2-3 months in advance each time. You do not want to overstock with each batch being worth about £30k. Since we booked the last production run the rate of sales on the SL has increased dramatically, hence the shortfall. We hope to have it remedied soon though.

[poleman]

The extension sections are due in in the next couple of weeks.

The trouble with these type of poles is that you have to book the factory production run about 2-3 months in advance each time. You do not want to overstock with each batch being worth about £30k. Since we booked the last production run the rate of sales on the SL has increased dramatically, hence the shortfall. We hope to have it remedied soon though.

OK many thanks, I had to wait 5 weeks for a 51mm hose & inlet, so couple weeks isn't to bad 

[Glyn H]

You could have got 51mm hose from us off the shelf!

[Jeff Brimble]

Your off the shelf hose is a very very good buy, as is the modular alu sections. I am tending to think along the lines of alu for the majority of domestic jobs say up to 25ft and then arguably/possibly expendable c/f for the 60ft ones, or combinations thereof, whats your opinion Glyn ?
Just realised that I have gone off topic, so appologies to all.

[Jeff Brimble]

quoted from the Gardiner site regarding the SL2

Due to un-precedented demand we are currently out of stock. We will have them back in stock shortly

So they are going somewhere!

Just my luck  Alex, when is a new patch SL2 due in! as I would like to place a order for SL2 Extension Sections for my gutter system! need 4 to get me up to 25ft
 

All modular extensions or there abouts will intermix somewhere along the tapering  length whether garbolino, maver, sl1 or 2 or emporium.