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Having been in this trade for a while, i can't see it myself. I can see a reasonable living being made from it but that's all. You can make more money by expanding and taking on more staff (with all the extra pressure) but your highly unlikely to become an overnight sensation to compete with those internet companies. It has to be just about the simplest form of business you can start up - you offer a service and use your body to manually apply it. Which is the biggest drawback to earning millions - there's a limit to what you can physically achieve in a day. (hot water and electric reel or not).
 Surely the easiest way to make money is to canvass and sell the round for three times the value and move on? Very little physical effort involved.
 I can't see Davo's involvment in it at all and can't understand MR Sols enthusiasm of how to get rich quick. His "signature hot water system is nothing new, just cheaper and barely above diy level, the electric reel - great but it won't earn you much more money and you can't market that to a customer unless your selling to fellow cleaners.

[Village Gleam]

You are getting confused, gary asked what was the basic rule of business? We all had a stab at answering, and both the question and the answer were theoretical,as were the larger than life examples given.
You have a dreadful habit of putting your words opinions and thoughts into other peoples mouths.

Half of the fun of this forum is asking what if? And seeing where it leads you. This may seem fanciful, or more like showing off and boasting to some,to others it's a springboard to their own ideas.

[Davo]

Having been in this trade for a while, i can't see it myself. I can see a reasonable living being made from it but that's all. You can make more money by expanding and taking on more staff (with all the extra pressure) but your highly unlikely to become an overnight sensation to compete with those internet companies. It has to be just about the simplest form of business you can start up - you offer a service and use your body to manually apply it. Which is the biggest drawback to earning millions - there's a limit to what you can physically achieve in a day. (hot water and electric reel or not).
 Surely the easiest way to make money is to canvass and sell the round for three times the value and move on? Very little physical effort involved.
 I can't see Davo's involvment in it at all and can't understand MR Sols enthusiasm of how to get rich quick. His "signature hot water system is nothing new, just cheaper and barely above diy level, the electric reel - great but it won't earn you much more money and you can't market that to a customer unless your selling to fellow cleaners.

DJW a post well in keeping with the usual stuff you come out with, from replies you make to posts on this forum you seem to find great difficulty in compreheding what is being said.

If you cant understand something then it cant be so. You come accross on here as a bitter and resentful man. Being a window cleaner for many years seems, in your case, to be of no benefit whatsoever.

Yes its tough out there, yes customers are price sensative, yes most want value for their money. Yes you can give into that and charge less, wheres that going to take you?

The answer in the majority of businesses out there at this moment in time is profit.

Narrow margins rely on higher turnover, but the volume isnt there like it was only 12 months ago so where do you think lower margins higher overhead and static turnover will take you?


Mark

[frames to panes]

Ah the gruesome twosome return for another go. I'm entitled to say what i like, same as you. If i don't understand something i'm quite free to say so and so i do. I NEVER say i'm right i merely question some of the ideas that are batted about on here. It's my opinion nothing more, if people can't take critisism then don't post in the first place.

[Davo]

Ah the gruesome twosome return for another go. I'm entitled to say what i like, same as you. If i don't understand something i'm quite free to say so and so i do. I NEVER say i'm right i merely question some of the ideas that are batted about on here. It's my opinion nothing more, if people can't take critisism then don't post in the first place.

Of course you can say what you like, but give yourself a chance and talk some sense.


Mark

[edd]

leave the bitchin out guys and MR > S plz post some pics of your gear asap EDD

[Village Gleam]

Your right of course Edd. I was very surprised at the low level of interest in this but i can assure it does work and I am confident it will become the norm. To me it opens up all sorts of possibilities.
The simplest way is as described by Alex's grandad earlier in the thread. For this you need a deep 22m socket, and a socket driver. Both are sold by screw fix.

I'm going to lock the thread as it has all turned a bit sour. Here is a pic of these bits.

[Jeff Brimble]

Been thinking bout you today General. As a completely different angle on your problem, maybe experiment with  a light Algarde silicon type  hose uprgrade. Supple, cheap, no weight and reels in seconds.

[geefree]

Hi,

i was reeling my hose in today... all of it....

and as it came in , it started catching on the van tyres...( i know about the things you can buy for corners.....but you can go on forever)......... then it caught on the bottom of a gate.......


so i moved it all onto the footpath , so i could  reel it in smoothly....

but on this occasion, because i had moved it, it started to kink a little and get itself in a tangle as i reeled it in..

still , not a big problem as i i used my left hand to sort it out as it came in.....


My question really is.... will the electric one make that much difference?

it wont stop the above problems,

can you turn away and leave it to reel the hose in?

not sure you can... so really is it just saving your right arm from working?..

Sorry for sounding negative on this subject Mr Sol.

But is that the only benefit it brings ? when i find reeling in very easy (apart from that particular example).....and quite good exercise. lol.


was simply thinking about your idea today.

Gary.

[joe.b]

its just another tool to make things easier and maybe a little faster, i know i hate reeling it in, but some may not, just like people like a trigger on a pole and some people dont.

[Village Gleam]

I'm glad you're thinking Jeff- or if I can stimulate some thought. I have been using the electric reel as shown on here and finding it really good. A far more advanced method is in development

I must admitt though Jeff that I had hoped someone, anyone, would come on here and say I've tried this and it works, thanks Mr Sol.

I realise from comments made that what I have suggested is so simple that it is laughable, but the fact is it works extremly well. The more sophisticated method will be ready very soon, I'll email you a photo.

Gazzasp8
yes it makes a difference, I don't get those problems, walk back the van with hose tap, make sure nothing will snag. If you used it you would know.

[L.J.Thorpe]

this is a break down of one working day last week(tues 25th march)
sad as it sounds i actually timed myself reeling in  :
i did it for the whole day at every job,timing is for the time spent turning the reel
time does not include walking the tap back to the van and laying the hose out ( i do this anyway and so would anyone using an electric reel,it is the best method imo of making reeling in easier and no one wants their tap/shrader bouncing along the ground)
all times are rounded UP to nearest 5 seconds
on most jobs only about 75mtrs or so were off the reel
job 1; 25 secs
job 2; 25 secs
job 3; 35 secs
job 4; 55 secs
job 5; 30 secs
job 6; 20 secs
job 7; 20 secs
jobs 8 + 9 ; 1 min 10 secs
job 10 ; 25 secs
job 11 ; 35 secs
job 12 ; 15 secs
thats it,nothing really scientific just timed off the sweep hand on my watch
not looking to prove anything it was just something to help pass the day

[NWH]

That`s not that long really is it but it feels a lot more than that after lunchtime.

[L.J.Thorpe]

5 mins 35 secs total
average 28 secs approx.
but that is only one day mind

[d s windowcleaning]

Been thinking bout you today General. As a completely different angle on your problem, maybe experiment with a light Algarde silicon type hose uprgrade. Supple, cheap, no weight and reels in seconds.

so true jeff i will second that 

[Village Gleam]

Jeff always has good ideas, but he is thinking about a trolley system, this is a van mount and we have already had the disscusion about varistreams and bore.

I know that in a few years time the majority will have a powered reel because the machine does all the work.Is it really that hard to figure out?

[geefree]

i dont think reeling in the hose is hard at all,

its an easy part of the job, as L.j said , it takes seconds and not a hard, daunting task,...

mind you it would be a brilliant idea for letting the dog out on the lead for a walk in the park while you read the paper in the van.....

then when you are ready to go... simply " reel " the dog back in...


Now there is an idea Mr Sol. 

[Village Gleam]

In as much as no one is backing me up I think that you gazz and Mr Thorpe have won this argument. But that does not mean that you are right.

I work under constant pressure and at speed. I get tired, a machine doesn't.

[geefree]

,...

mind you it would be a brilliant idea for letting the dog out on the lead for a walk in the park while you read the paper in the van.....

then when you are ready to go... simply " reel " the dog back in...


i was not taking the mick mr sol.... i just dont find it hard reeliing it in.... it is a good idea... i just find what i do ok...


dont you like the dog in the park bit though .


Now there is an idea Mr Sol. 

[joe.b]

i think its a great idea, i was going to have a bash at doing one from scratch myself but if youve got a few pics of yours then maybe can just copy yours