[mick hay]

I phoned that fargil posing as a customer.....Charges by the DAY!!!   £680 + vat

Says inside and out, 2 days  

Said it costs him £70k to kit out one of his vans!!!


Putting my prices up...lol

[NWH]

Tony before you have a go at me i wasn`t saying that`s what i charge,i was saying that i wouldn`t be surprised if some got that sort of price for a good sized conservatory.I`d be to worried about Matt alright walking round the corner on me.

ive had a long day, 13 hours working hard

have i missed a joke here, are you reffering to me ? ? ? why am i mentioned ?  ?? ?

Matt the bloke off of rogue traders,that`s his name lol.

[NWH]

I phoned that fargil posing as a customer.....Charges by the DAY!!!   £680 + vat

Says inside and out, 2 days  

Said it costs him £70k to kit out one of his vans!!!


Putting my prices up...lol

Who are fargil.

[matt]

Tony before you have a go at me i wasn`t saying that`s what i charge,i was saying that i wouldn`t be surprised if some got that sort of price for a good sized conservatory.I`d be to worried about Matt alright walking round the corner on me.

ive had a long day, 13 hours working hard

have i missed a joke here, are you reffering to me ? ? ? why am i mentioned ?  ?? ?

Matt the bloke off of rogue traders,that`s his name lol.

  its been a long day, i was puzzled why i was mentioned

[mick hay]

www.fargil.co.uk

[frames to panes]

Guys and DJW dont take knocks out of people, we all earn what we need, some more than others granted, this posts title is a wind up to many hard working window cleaners true or false may it be.

try and be nice guys and dont rise to it others  

Ian

Windowsloshers, yes the title is taking the p. But look at that website - what's the difference between you and them? Different logo? oh they probably have a hoover to whip over the blinds and a pump up sprayer for the magic water repellant. When i clean a conservatory it comes up as new - same as theirs.

[frames to panes]

Mac Mac DJW was charging £20 to clean a conservatory including the roof, if he didnt want an opinion on the price he charges then he shouldnt have posted the information.

He can charge whatever he wants but by his own addmission he's struggling. He can keep on struggling for me it makes no difference.

I wish him well though.


Mark

Who charges £20 for roof and conservatory? not me pal. I did a small roof a long time ago for £20 and the customer complained it was a lot of money. I posted that as an example of how some customers have different values.

[wightsurf]

I built my own conservatory two years ago,when cleaning them for others i do see alot that could be done with them .Mainly silicon which is'nt hard if your good with a gun and if your realy into it the blinds .Our blinds cost us £1000 they don't come cheep for conservatoies (fitted).So if to clean these  as well then polish all frame work back to white, Yes you could charge alot more,,,,me i like cleaning windows no hassel  

[Davo]

Guys and DJW dont take knocks out of people, we all earn what we need, some more than others granted, this posts title is a wind up to many hard working window cleaners true or false may it be.

try and be nice guys and dont rise to it others  

Ian

Windowsloshers, yes the title is taking the p. But look at that website - what's the difference between you and them? Different logo? oh they probably have a hoover to whip over the blinds and a pump up sprayer for the magic water repellant. When i clean a conservatory it comes up as new - same as theirs.

Kerching!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not much difference is there. So if they charge that sort of money whats to say you cant charge more than the normal window cleaning rate.

Say £100-£250 a clean, you'd need to smarten yourself up a bit and look professional and stuff, but you probably already knew that. Oh and you would need to talk more sense to the customer than you are talking at the moment on here.

Mark

[pjulk]

I phoned that fargil posing as a customer.....Charges by the DAY!!!   £680 + vat

Says inside and out, 2 days   Shocked

Said it costs him £70k to kit out one of his vans!!!


Putting my prices up...lol

Christ im changing my job 


He must have the gold plated conservatory ladder.
if it cost that to kit his van out

[Dale Smith]

What a superb thread....... so much sarcasm & I love sarcasm..... what a scream     

[m b shaw]

hi djw,great post thats why i like this forum it makes me howl with laughter sometimes.whether he means it or not it s up to people reading it to form an opinion.i ve been around the block enough times to see it nearly as it is.  cheers mick

[wightsurf]

Who cleans sandbanks there cons must fetch 1000k per clean

[Londoner]

OK lets start this off on a sensible note and see how far we get. If you charged £10 you would get every job you quoted for.

At £20 say 98% would accept your quote.  So if you go up in price by increments of £10 at a time you would still get takers but progressively less as the price goes up.

Finally, for arguements sake we say that at £500 you get 1% take up but you waste a huge amount of time quoting for jobs you don't get. So your actual profit is zilch.

Allowing that time is money, advertising is expensive. Just where exactly does the profitability hit maximum?

[Village Gleam]

Opitimisation of work volume against price for maximum returns?

Working yesterday a neighbour asked me how much to unblock and clean guttters on her three storey house front and back, where birds had nested and water overflowed when it rained. Thw other neigbour used to do it foe nothing but he moved.
"as you're working here how much to just nip up on your ladder and clean it?"
I quoted £20. She shot off like I'd just thrown salt on a slug.
"What just to nip up there...? Twenty pounds?"

[Davo]

OK lets start this off on a sensible note and see how far we get. If you charged £10 you would get every job you quoted for.

At £20 say 98% would accept your quote.  So if you go up in price by increments of £10 at a time you would still get takers but progressively less as the price goes up.

Finally, for arguements sake we say that at £500 you get 1% take up but you waste a huge amount of time quoting for jobs you don't get. So your actual profit is zilch.

Allowing that time is money, advertising is expensive. Just where exactly does the profitability hit maximum?

Vince your reasoning is nearly correct however consider that as the price point moves upward then value needs to be added to the service to justify the higher price in order to maximise the uptake for your service. Value can be lots of different things, and some add more value than others.

ie we wash your frames as well as the windows, we will give you a rain guarantee, if your not 100% satisfied we will come back straight away to put things right. All these "standards" alter the customers perception of what represents value for their money.

Its getting the balance right thats the hard bit. And for those that already know this im sorry to bore you with repetition.


Mark

[matt]

Opitimisation of work volume against price for maximum returns?

Working yesterday a neighbour asked me how much to unblock and clean guttters on her three storey house front and back, where birds had nested and water overflowed when it rained. Thw other neigbour used to do it foe nothing but he moved.
"as you're working here how much to just nip up on your ladder and clean it?"
I quoted £20. She shot off like I'd just thrown salt on a slug.
"What just to nip up there...? Twenty pounds?"

the key for me here would be 3 storey house

personally for 20 quid i wouldnt take the risk of my life off ladders, just not worth it

[frames to panes]

Absolutely right, this is what i have been saying all night. It took me a while to realise this and then it sunk in. Have a look at that conservatory site again. They are giving the illusion of offering a grand service. They offer several options to upgrade the clean to a higher level. Although in reality it's a load of old hogwash. Quick squirt about with a silicone gun to "repair" your roof. Another squirt of upvc cleaner to "restore" the lustre of your pride and joy. To top it all a quick spray of water repelling agent so your windows will stay cleaner longer. Not forgetting of course the whole unit is bathed in pure water. (look at the price of this stuff in the supermarket). All these things you wrap up in a package to sell to the customer.

[Wayne Thomas]

If you marketed it the right way i reckon you would get around that figure but it would be down to marketing and advertising,if you sell it as a specialised job and look the part you`ll get that price.If you do a good job and by that i mean get it looking like new people will see it as money well spent,how many home owners do you know that are prepared to clamber around on there conservatory roof with a brush,not many.It`s a joke some WC`s doing con roofs for £20-£30,for top money you need to sell it to the customer as a job in itself and not just an add on when your doing the window`s,i always say i`ll have to come back and do it another day,if they see you whipping your brush over it in 20 mins your never going to get top money for doing em.

I agree partly with you NWH on not selling yourself short on conservatory cleans. I also make a point of booking the conservatory jobs in as wet weather jobs for a rainy day. Good luck to DJW if he can get £500 for these jobs. No way will they pay that kind of money in the West country. Even the millionaires/celebrities  I do won't pay that kind of money. The celebrities make me laugh because they stay rich by trying to get the best possible price for everything possible, just because they're famous and are on the telly every week, lol. I treat them all the same as my normal customers, no favourtism and all equal in my eyes.

[Davo]

Absolutely right, this is what i have been saying all night. It took me a while to realise this and then it sunk in. Have a look at that conservatory site again. They are giving the illusion of offering a grand service. They offer several options to upgrade the clean to a higher level. Although in reality it's a load of old hogwash. Quick squirt about with a silicone gun to "repair" your roof. Another squirt of upvc cleaner to "restore" the lustre of your pride and joy. To top it all a quick spray of water repelling agent so your windows will stay cleaner longer. Not forgetting of course the whole unit is bathed in pure water. (look at the price of this stuff in the supermarket). All these things you wrap up in a package to sell to the customer.

Bloody hell i smiled at my pc then. They package it up to justify their high price, you can do the same to varying degrees.

Good luck DJW


Mark