[jampot]

who is duke 
does he go on the window-tools site?

[frames to panes]

He used to post a lot on this site then moved to Jeffs Academy site for whatever reason. Pleasant enough poster.

[dai]

I know a guy that works in a similar way. He canvasses the work and has a team of lads doing the cleaning, he takes 40% the lads share the rest between them. Some of the guys doing the cleaning are signing on, but the guy running them doesn't care. He doesn't regard himself as an employer so has no worries concerning tax, insurance etc. The cleaners do the collecting themselves, just handing over 40% of the take. It's easy money, but is it strictly legal?

[Mike_G]

If it is Duke that used to be on here he is from Tewkesbury. As for the work bit, it is almost as if he has been employed by this other guy ( the canvasser) and the chap takes 15% for giving him the work, which sounds reasonable to me. I am surprised Duke has not picked up more than 20 of his own customers in this time but if the chap has done the dirty on Duke maybe he should go round to the customers and get the work for himself, he could pass on a 10% discount to them so they are better off and get himself a 5% increase at the same time.  Although I wonder if the loss of license has to do with the situation.

[jeff1]

The 2 Dukes I have come across on forums one is based in Cheltenham and the other in Tewksbury that makes them both of the Gloucestershire Area. but I wouldn't like to walk from one to the  other.

This so called Round builder/Door knocker who ever he is, should reply to this post and help sort this out with at least an explanation of who is who??

[DASERVICES]

Simple solution, send name and details to tax office as this guy sounds if he is not declaring it. He will not be in business for long, then Duke whoever will get his customers back.

Never use violence, use what is legal and you will win.

[jeff1]

Legal way every time, I'm sure if he's not declaring it he may want to compromise

[WCE]

Right this is how the guy in question works  he owns the rounds and gets w/cs to do the work on a self employed basis. He will target beginers where possible. He maintains the rounds on a george type program and retains ownership of the work .
I met him when he first moved to the area (tewkesbury) and Duke was the first person he took on in this manner I was the second. Later people were tied in by a contract which said you would pass all work to him you picked up for a 1 off payment  from him. I told him no way any customers I got were mine but duke didnt. The other part of his business was a sort of hire side where he would assist the new guys by getting the kit for them and also provide them with pure water for a weekly charge.
Me and him fell out when he started to mess me about and because he had decided that he would go and give 50% of my work to this new guy. The first I knew about it was when I got a revised list off him with the work gone. That was it I was off.  Just before christmas I was helping another ex window cleaner of his who had fell out with him because he had offered to arrange his public liability for him. They paid their premium to him and all was fine until they asked for a copy of their certificate. He refused to show it them (it didn't exist) took all their work off them (a husband and wife team) and stopped providing the water for them. He stitched them up big time all over a certificate he couldn't produce. I helped them by giving them some customers and letting them use my ro system for their water  needs untilk they got their own and were back on their feet. They have manged to get back about 20% of the customers he had provided to them but thats still 80% of their work gone. Another Trick of the guy is to put cleans he has done  himself onto other lists so he can avoid the tax. The whole reason he uses self employed is because he can avoid being vat registered. So I guess prehaps someone should give the taxman  a tinkle about this conman!         

[Jeff Brimble]

Can somebody send me his name !

[jouk45]

it seems to me you have all been stitch up, this guy owned the lot of you,  as someone mentioned on here,  all of you get together and turn on this nasty piece of *%*% no wonder you are all fighting over rounds, hes living on you lot just becouse he knocked on doors, what a crazy way of working,

[jeff1]

A Parasite springs to mind, I don't normaly use strong words like this but this guy is living off you all, as Joe says band together and force his hand, he seems to have the power to destroy your business and maybe your family.

If he is a member here then I for one would like to see him speak up is Simon your name???

[WCE]

Thats exactly what I learn't. The man was out for himself simple I realised and got my own RO kit and started building my own round. Then when he took the work I already had something to fall back on. It was the best thing I ever did gone and since then I have built up a good business. I started with a few customers and door knocked  (even though I hated it) and manged to pick up work. I didn't have a lot of money at the start but I managed to scrape up enough to survive. After a couple of months I was flying. I now do a lot of commercial work which I would of never of got if I had stayed with him as he only targets residential. I can understand why Duke was surprised by what happened and suspect he had fell into a rut where he knew this would have work for him (he actually has about 2500 customers signed on his rounds). The reason I say this is like I said in my previous post when he moved here   Duke was the first person he recruited (4 years ago) and as far as I was aware about the only person who hadn't been messed about by him in fact i would go as far to say I thought they were friends.         

[peter holley]

you can't own customers.... they can use who ever they want....they used to pay duke ,,,, he was the face of the buisness and should fight for what is his..... i think he will win on face value

[WCE]

Jeff you are on the right tracks his name is simon C****** He is a member but I just checked his profile and he hasn't posted on here since december

[jeff1]

Jeff you are on the right tracks his name is simon C****** He is a member but I just checked his profile and he hasn't posted on here since december

Thanks WCE 
Is there any chace you can forward his details to Jeff Brimble

[jeff1]

If anyone is interested we are having a live auction on the academy on saturday evening for anyone that wants to donate or buy second hand wfp gear.

[Wayne Thomas]

Right this is how the guy in question works  he owns the rounds and gets w/cs to do the work on a self employed basis. He will target beginers where possible. He maintains the rounds on a george type program and retains ownership of the work .
I met him when he first moved to the area (tewkesbury) and Duke was the first person he took on in this manner I was the second. Later people were tied in by a contract which said you would pass all work to him you picked up for a 1 off payment  from him. I told him no way any customers I got were mine but duke didnt. The other part of his business was a sort of hire side where he would assist the new guys by getting the kit for them and also provide them with pure water for a weekly charge.
Me and him fell out when he started to mess me about and because he had decided that he would go and give 50% of my work to this new guy. The first I knew about it was when I got a revised list off him with the work gone. That was it I was off.  Just before christmas I was helping another ex window cleaner of his who had fell out with him because he had offered to arrange his public liability for him. They paid their premium to him and all was fine until they asked for a copy of their certificate. He refused to show it them (it didn't exist) took all their work off them (a husband and wife team) and stopped providing the water for them. He stitched them up big time all over a certificate he couldn't produce. I helped them by giving them some customers and letting them use my ro system for their water  needs untilk they got their own and were back on their feet. They have manged to get back about 20% of the customers he had provided to them but thats still 80% of their work gone. Another Trick of the guy is to put cleans he has done  himself onto other lists so he can avoid the tax. The whole reason he uses self employed is because he can avoid being vat registered. So I guess prehaps someone should give the taxman  a tinkle about this conman!         

Report this doorknocker to the inland revenue and social security. He's a scumbag who should be named & shamed in my opinion.

[jeff1]

Right this is how the guy in question works  he owns the rounds and gets w/cs to do the work on a self employed basis. He will target beginers where possible. He maintains the rounds on a george type program and retains ownership of the work .
I met him when he first moved to the area (tewkesbury) and Duke was the first person he took on in this manner I was the second. Later people were tied in by a contract which said you would pass all work to him you picked up for a 1 off payment  from him. I told him no way any customers I got were mine but duke didnt. The other part of his business was a sort of hire side where he would assist the new guys by getting the kit for them and also provide them with pure water for a weekly charge.
Me and him fell out when he started to mess me about and because he had decided that he would go and give 50% of my work to this new guy. The first I knew about it was when I got a revised list off him with the work gone. That was it I was off.  Just before christmas I was helping another ex window cleaner of his who had fell out with him because he had offered to arrange his public liability for him. They paid their premium to him and all was fine until they asked for a copy of their certificate. He refused to show it them (it didn't exist) took all their work off them (a husband and wife team) and stopped providing the water for them. He stitched them up big time all over a certificate he couldn't produce. I helped them by giving them some customers and letting them use my ro system for their water  needs untilk they got their own and were back on their feet. They have manged to get back about 20% of the customers he had provided to them but thats still 80% of their work gone. Another Trick of the guy is to put cleans he has done  himself onto other lists so he can avoid the tax. The whole reason he uses self employed is because he can avoid being vat registered. So I guess prehaps someone should give the taxman  a tinkle about this conman!         

Report this doorknocker to the inland revenue and social security. He's a scumbag who should be named & shamed in my opinion.

Someone has taken it on board and doing what is needed.

[Jeff Brimble]

From various messages and emails it seems the guys name is... quote "Simon Carter His company  is clean windows  Plus, last I heard of possibly he had got himself a new unit in Innsworth Gloucester".

I spent much of today pondering how could this have happened ? When you think about its no more than many would do ie rent some of your round out if you have too much for a % . He seems to have capitalised on it and grown the rounds to a massive degree. The mistake he seems to have made was asking for more! Dukes only mistake was to trust him and accept more work without any legal documentation until he got in too deep to do anything about it.

[matt]

this really is a serious question that had been bothering me all day

WHY on earth would you continue to work for some1 and not build your round up for yourself, your the boss, you keep all the money

sure i can understand that you do some1 elses work for a while , while you build up your own work

something about all of this doesnt ring true