[NWH]

Again a strap is only as strong as the hook in the van which secures it,you can have the strongest most heavy duty straps you can find but if you have a ring pull holding it in place you`ve had it.To strap a van properly they do say that you should still go through the floor,i`ve seen one done and the bloke had 4" cuts in the floor to feed the straps through,the part of the strap that was exposed to the eliments was covered in a protective cover to prevent it from rotting.I must admit with local driving and with the tank hardly ever full providing it`s flat most vans these days have strapping points which can cope providing like i say it`s not flat out motorway driving.

[Davew]

Umm some of those upright tanks look pretty unsafe to me even though they are in a cage the force exerted on an upright must be incredible.

[NWH]

In my opinion it looks good and that`s it,it`s how it`s secured that matters the most secure tank i`ve seen is the custom one`s that are the same shape as the back of the van that go round the wheel arches.

[P @ F]

Lets face it , i for one know that the straps holding my tanks in will not save me in a head on , they are 3 tonne rating , the tanks hold 425 L , i have a full steel bulk head , and im still not safe , but come on we have all seen the advert when the boy butts his mother and sits down again !
The weight of a baby elephant hitting you from behind is the weight of the average rear seat passenger with no seat belt on { im told }

Mr Solubility , i see right through you  

 Rich P @ F

[NWH]

You`ll never catch me buttin my mother,how dare you LOL.

[P @ F]

 

[L.J.Thorpe]

safety cages behind drivers seat are an easy fit and are usually standard on scudos/dispatch/expert and many other fiat pug and citroen vans if yours has been removed they are a doddle to fit and easy to pick up at van dealers/breakers you would be suprised how many people take em out for some reason or another mines in the shed going back in next year when i put tank in but how effective they are i dont know

[[GQC] Tim]

@ NWH, that purefreedom cage that windowwashers has does not bolt simply to the floorpan, it goes around the chassis. Pure freedom guys know what they are doing, they are top engineers. That will be safe in an accident mate. I'd be more concerned about any bits, like the hosereels flying through your windscreen.

[NWH]

Of course it`s bolted to the chassis i know that,i was taking for granted that people on this thread new that.It makes no difference if it`s bolted to the chassis,the chassis is the strongest part of the vehicle but it`s not the chassis that is protecting you is it it`s the bolts used it`s only BOLTED to the chassis,If i could use a welder and fabricate a frame would you call me an engineer.I`m not knocking them for what they make and how they look because they look good,this is the reason why ionic have had the crash test on there systems,it gives customers peace of mind.

[[GQC] Tim]

Of course it`s bolted to the chassis i know that,i was taking for granted that people on this thread new that.It makes no difference if it`s bolted to the chassis,the chassis is the strongest part of the vehicle but it`s not the chassis that is protecting you is it it`s the bolts used it`s only BOLTED to the chassis,If i could use a welder and fabricate a frame would you call me an engineer.I`m not knocking them for what they make and how they look because they look good,this is the reason why ionic have had the crash test on there systems,it gives customers peace of mind.

Oh I see now what you ment, true, it's like a chain is as strong as the weakest link. I'm sure they use the correct stuff though. Bolts can be B&Q bolts, but I'm sure they use aircraft grade bolts, and that sort of jazz.

btw, I'm pretty certain that even Ionics uses bolts, what else would they use. All depends on what kind of materials are used I guess.

[rhys11]

never have to many cones

[windowwashers]

Hey, lets have a debate about straps! What's wrong with them?

nothing wrong with them at this time I choose not to use them thats all.

[Sir Squeaky]

I've only got mine ratchet strapped down.
The point is this...

If you have an accident that it couldn't take, then it wouldn't matter what you'd done anyway.

[windowwashers]

I've only got mine ratchet strapped down.
The point is this...

If you have an accident that it couldn't take, then it wouldn't matter what you'd done anyway.

lol your pic so much suit you  was answering a question squeaky 

Morning

[Davew]

Why do the army, navy, air force, haulage companies, car transporters, seat belts all use straps but according to many "experts" (and i use the term loosely  : ) they are unfit for securing a plastic tank?

[windowwashers]

Why do the army, navy, air force, haulage companies, car transporters, seat belts all use straps but according to many "experts" (and i use the term loosely  : ) they are unfit for securing a plastic tank?

Dave my thought on it are not the straps at all, it is what they are straped too that would alarm me, I may even use them in the future if need be, I have seen straps on tank secured to wood by a screw, to me thats highly dangerous, this is my point, and I was not having a pop at straps or people that use them, I just choose not to use them.

[pur]

 On impact a bolt could snap pull through etc. but a strap woulb stretch quite a way before breaking therefore taking up a lot of the inertia out of the tank (load)
 Thats why they are used on lorries etc, if it was more sequre they'd bolt the load down. 


pur

[NWH]

In a car crash seat belts will hardly move an inch from mounting points,but the seats in cars are bolted to the floor and in some cases can be ripped off of the floor completley and guess what there bolted down.

[[GQC] Tim]

In a car crash seat belts will hardly move an inch from mounting points,but the seats in cars are bolted to the floor and in some cases can be ripped off of the floor completley and guess what there bolted down.

Yea on a rusty floor. Otherwise no way man. And yes seatbelts do not move, they stretch to give you that extra inch, hence lowering the strain on the body. What is your point? How many 'bolts' do you think an airplane has? It's all up to the bolts used, and the way they fit it. End of story.

[nat]

In a car crash seat belts will hardly move an inch from mounting points,but the seats in cars are bolted to the floor and in some cases can be ripped off of the floor completley and guess what there bolted down.

no way man.

have you been smoking that funny stuff  ...sorry!