[John Gregory]

Hi all
Will I get away using ultimate master as a pre spray followed by a fresh water rince then protect with solugard , I know the carpet is supposed to be detergent free but ultimate master drys ph neutral and I am using a fresh water rince , what do you chaps think.


Thanks   John

[*paul_moss]

John I believe Solugard is best applied after cleaning with a micro splitter, but that is information from the supplier. I would guess as long as a good acidic rince is used then there should be no reason why it should not bond to the fibre.
You are using it on wool ?

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I'd rinse with an acid rinse and turbo dry abit before applying solugard then I recommend that you brush the protector in.

Shaun

[*paul_moss]

Shaun why turbo ? as Solugard works on drying and accelerated drying is not advised along with brushing in. Its the only Protector I know that the retailer stated that you dont brush in.

[John Gregory]

Thanks for the replies , the reason I asked the question is I have had a bad result again today using microspliter and I don't intend useing it again, it wound break my heart pouring 70 quids worth of solugard down the drain . From now on I'm just going to blitz everthing


John

[*paul_moss]

John you still have my number.

[Ken Wainwright]

A colleague of mine was interested in using Solugard. He did his own trials on his own carpets. Detergent pre-spray (Woolsafe) rinsed with Fibre and fabric, applied Solugard, dry, cure, test    Very poor bead up.

Spoke to Solution UK, used M/S and freshwater rinse, apply, dry, cure superb bead up. Cleaned again 5 times over a period. Still beaded up superbly.

DO NOT USE FIBRE AND FABRIC (OR ANY OTHER ACID) RINSE. The Solugard will not take.

As for spraying with Ultimate Master followed by a freshwater rinse, I don't know. I suspect not.

As with all manufacturers, if there are any warranty/performance issues arising, and you didn't follow their instructions, you'd be on your own, so why take the risk?

Safe and happy cleaning
Ken

[Mike Halliday]

I think you lot need a lesson in carpet cleaning :

A pre-spray is removed along with the dirt by the rinse agent, so if you are using a freshwater rinse then why can't you use Solugard?

I could pre-spray with M/S, Ultimate Master, blitz, Flash, Daz anything it does'nt matter!,  it won't be on the carpet when I apply the protector.

MIke

[*paul_moss]

Mike most protectors dont take or cure if the ph is too high, thats why I reccomended an acidic rince to reduce the ph down to a more neutral level as a straight water rince may not be sufficient.

[Mike Halliday]

again... if the rinse removes the pre-spray I could use a billion Ph ( I know it doesn't got that high ) if I rinse with water then the Ph of the carpet will be neutral.

the whole 'neutralise pre-sprays' goes back to when portables were crap and didn't remove the pre-spray and left some of it on the carpet, so you needed to neutralise the remaining high PH pre-spray still on the carpet

now we remove the pre-spray not neutralise it 

if used correctly then an acid rinse will leave the carpet in an acid state not neutral.

Mike

[Shaun_Ashmore]

when applying protectors aren't carpets supposed to be ph6?

Shaun

PS as for raking, I believe it aids penetration what harm can it do? as for turbo drying, at this time of year try telling customers to keep off the carpet.

[*paul_moss]

Mike if the solution/prespray is say 12. 5 - 14   and you rinse with water at say 7.5 - 8 the residue left will be around 9, if you use an acidic rinse of say 4.5 - 5 the finish ph would be nearer 7. Thats obviosly dependant on buffers.

[*paul_moss]

Shaun I would agree that raking in would help, Its the supplier that says it doesnt and should not be done.

[Mark Lane-Matthews]

 Solugard needs 24 hours to cure so is not always practical to use.
                                                  mark

[CARPET KNIGHTS]

Most protectors take 72 hours so 24 is good.

[Mike Halliday]

Paul read my post again

I don't want to sound like a broken record but;

I remove pre-spray not neutralise it!! if you remove it then there is no residue to neutralise

if you are leaving residue that needs to be neutralised  then you are not doing your job properly

Mike

[Mark Lane-Matthews]

Some Teflon protectors can take less time than 24 hours. I use Solugard as my main protector but would always let custys know the curing times.Also you can not over apply Solugard so make sure there is plenty of application  on traffic lanes and heavy wear areas.
                                                           Mark   

[Mike Osbourne]

I was going to try some but I don't think I'll bother now. :

[richie]

Soluguard sounds like to much of this n that.  Most of which is probably another of Solutions brain washing techniques 

If i were you i would use either Prochem or Chemspec.  Easy to use, GREAT results without all the what ifs n buts.

Richie.

[Doug Holloway]

John

Get some Prochem Pureclean which will give you good results , then you could use up your Solugard.

As to the question of whether a rinse will remove the prespray , I suppose it depends on how much prespray, what type and how well you rinse.

As for Solugard needing MS only , 'the new MS' , MPcolloid cleaner is a surfactant like a detergent,  so presumably you should't use this either.

Cheers

Doug