[Mike Halliday]

A witty reply!!

 always the fail-safe answer when your caught talking rubbish

Mike

[mark_roberts]

Suppliers will provide numbers to confuse and even mislead you both TM and portable suppliers.

You cant compare apples to bananas, portables being the bananas.

Ive had a CFR, Ninja, Alltec advantage, Woodbridge powermate, Savage vac booster, Bane with the Savage booster, Ninja with a mitey one booster and not one them or there configerations come anyway near the performance of a TM.

Recently Ive started using 2inch hose all the way to the wand and the carpets now 'feel' dry after a few dry stokes.  When cleaning rugs they take twice as long to dry in my drying room as when using the TM.

Facts are facts, anyone can spin the figures.

Mark

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

im the greenest t.m. user of the lot !!!!!! and six times more carbon  is a load of bull poop i think your on the wrong borad posting here 

[Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care]

You cant compare apples to bananas, portables being the bananas.

Ive had a CFR, Ninja, Alltec advantage, Woodbridge powermate, Savage vac booster, Bane with the Savage booster, Ninja with a mitey one booster and not one them or there configerations come anyway near the performance of a TM.

Recently Ive started using 2inch hose all the way to the wand and the carpets now 'feel' dry after a few dry stokes.  When cleaning rugs they take twice as long to dry in my drying room as when using the TM.


Mark

If anything's bananas mate it's got to be you. How much money have you thrown to just about every manufacturer going in an attempt to understand something that a little thorough research would have revealed for free? Each of those machines is passable to good varying from high cfm to high lift but never both. Even the Savage booster wouldn't give you what you're looking for because you've incorrectly applied the use use vacuum systems. All you ever did was create an unbalanced system, sucking air out of other motors rather than a unified equal effort through the vacuum hose. A 2 inch hose will produce less frictional loss than 1.5" thereby allowing for better movement of air but at the end of the day 99% of wands will restrict all the air through their 19mm aperture.
I actually agree about the "its all hype" comments. Fact is it would take a triple lead six vac machine running three in series pairs parallel to make a porty more powerful than an entry level truckmount and that's before you start looking for heat.
Thing is - with proper tooling and a correct understanding of your equipment the undeniably big power of some truckmounts just isn't necesarry to acheive fantastic results.
Alan.

[richie]

Alan,  with respect it sounds to me like you think you are on CleanTalk & have been listening to Super Nick & Super John :. 

Does electricity not harm our dying planet? All this crap i hear about bloody TM based portys and to much heat from a TM & so on,  95% of this is people been BRAINWASHED by CT/SOLUTIONS.

Richie.

[Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care]

I think I've visited the cleantalk site a couple of times a couple of years ago and (you can check if you like) I don't think I've ever posted on there either. Not that that's a downer on Nick, for some bizarre reason I post on this site although to be honest most of the previously respected porty and truckmount owners seemed to have jumped ship... Can't think why?

It seems to me that there are some folk on here that own or want a truckmounted system and feel that this by default makes them somehow produce better results than mere 'mortals' that choose to use portable systems.

The FACT that a fossil fuel powered truckmounted system is more powerful than an electric system means NOTHING when it comes to cleaning results. Anyone who really believes this is genuinely away with the fairies :.

I've just purchased a Kirby G10. This is without any doubt the most effective vacuum cleaner made and has no competition worldwide and yet it's electric motor only draws around 600 watts. It is as good as it is because it is very well designed. Upping the motor power four times to 3kw (seeing as it's available) won't improve it's cleaning performance otherwise obviously Kirby would have done this.

Those of us that clean carpets correctly work to a system wether it be truckmounted or portable. Since around 85% of soil can be removed in dry form by a well built vacuum cleaner and then a proprietory pre-spray agitated with; in my case a HOST machine breaks the bond between oily soil and fibre then the extraction process simply rinses out what's left - those of us that have taken the time to understand the physics involved realise that they're perfectly able to produce clean, dry carpets to such a quality that they are able to say "If you're not totally amazed at the results then I don't want your money" and I along with I'm sure many other electric machine owners have yet to fall foul of this offer.

To suggest that by using such logic I obviously share the opinions of another cleaning forum only goes to highlight the ignorance of some operatives using this forum who by inferance consider everyone on here is as 'follow the crowd' backwards as they are.


Something to consider,
Alan

[mark_roberts]

Alan

My quest or journey through the machines was a combination of growing a business and yes a few mistakes where made but Im a man so can own up to that as i dont know or care for the technical data.

You quite correct in most of what you say regarding results but then there comes a point when your business demands results quicker and more effectively.  A TM can meet these needs as it is a production tool.

Of course you can achieve the same results with a portable even a bucket and spoonge if your inclined, but it will take you longer and it will not be as dry.

Carpet cleaning is a time management business.  A TM gives you more time which equals more profit.

You comment regarding wands makes sense on paper or screen in this case but in the real world there is a massive difference in 2inch to the wand over 1.5inch hose.  Of course you may never see this benefit as a standard portable couldnt perform with 2inch hose.

Mark

[richie]

[quote author=Alan Brooker mBICSc.  
It seems to me that there are some folk on here that own or want a truckmounted system and feel that this by default makes them somehow produce better results than mere 'mortals' that choose to use portable systems.

The FACT that a fossil fuel powered truckmounted system is more powerful than an electric system means NOTHING when it comes to cleaning results. Anyone who really believes this is genuinely away with the fairies :.

Alan,
In the past i have cleaned for (example) a night club.  I was told by the manager that the club had always been cleaned with a portable in the past (even by the previous cleaners that ran a TM) because it could not be accessed with a TM.  I booked the club in and took 300psi & 500psi portables with me and another operator.  The reason the previous cleaners using the porty was because they think the TM would clean it as the club was about 100 feet up, (bloody idiots).  Anyway, we cleaned the carpets on this occassion with the portys pre-spraying with MS (same as previous cleaners) & aggitated.  The carpets were cleaned on a monthly basis for the past 12-15 months.  God it was hard work even though the carpets were not as badly soiled as ive seen others.  We ensured that as much soil n crap was extracted from the carpet and plenty of dry strokes.  The carpet looked good (end result took 7.5 hours).  The following month we turned up armed with the TM.  The carpet looked the same as it did on the arrival 1 month earlier.  Sprayed the carpet with MS NO AGGITATION. The job this time with ONE TM 2 men took a mere 4.5 hours.  The manager came & looked at the end result and could not believe how much cleaner it looked.  I called him the following month to bre-book,  he explained that the carpets still looked ok, but to come as per usual anyway.  Again we got there.........    what i difference,  the carpet looked much better than previous.  Cleaning this time took just 3.5 hours.  thereafter the job was booked every 6-7 weeks.

So yes i do believe and proved to myself that the clean on night club carpets was much better than with the porty PLUS the clean lasted longer .  Happy manager, plus although the club wasnt cleaned as often more work was obtained via the manager singing our praises to other clubs.

Richie.
PS the daily cleaners used to sweep the carpet the used a upright vacuum.  First and one of the only times ive seen this in a night club

[gwrightson]

Having just spent the last ten minutes absorbing the posts on here, I have come to the conclusion that the green issue points raised here , on the whole are a load of twaddle

How can anybody seriously worry about the carbon a t/m produces and the effect it may have on their buisness worriyng that a custy wants a greener cleaning system?

Lets be realistic,  1 in 10,000 is perhaps a true eco warrier concered about the effects of fossil fuels!
"and the chances are they wouldnt even consider having any carpets cleaned"  

To put it bluntly, Any custy who shows the slightest concern is likely to be a hypocrite. I am not say they will have a chelsea tractor, but I bet they have dish washers, washing machines ,perhaps at least two cars and all fly away on holiday.   

T/m  versus porty  . green argument.  simple their isnt one  !!!! 

Geoff

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

I've just read this thread and my bull attenae were stimulated by the 6 times more CO2 claim, how much science was that based on ?

Has this come from one of the engine suppliers ?

Would be interesting to see where this claim originates.

Cheers

Doug

[Ian Gourlay]

Hi Alan, I have a Aqua 40 with 5.7" parallel motors and the lift /airflow is awesome ,especially when I use 2"  vac hose ( No fluff). When I had my Ninja the motors were 7.2" and spun slower so did not seem as powerful,this seemed to be the case compared to my friends Alltec Advantage with 7.2" in parallel,the Aqua 40 seemed to have the edge.



    Regards Rob

Rob

Have you had your aqua converted to 2inch hose?

I thought you had a Scorpian

[robert stubbs]

Hi Ian, yes I use 2" hose on the Aqua and I have a scorpion with inline heat as back-up



  Regards Rob

[Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care]

Richie what sort of pressure / spray tips were you using on the club carpets with the truckmount?

[richie]

Alan,

300-350psi,  4 jet Prochem wand.

Richie.