[Ian_Giles]

Wrong I'm sorry Ian.
Who's the experienced valeter? :

Not by just rinsing with pure it won't do too much harm.
But by rubbing pure water in with your wfp brush you will take the polish off, and hence take the protection and gloss from the car.
If it's takes grease and grime off a filthy window it's not going to have any trouble with a layer of polish!

I've tested it out myself, and there's definately less shine after wfp.

Also I can see tiny little scratches all over my van from where I've been lazy and wfp'd it.
But I always try to polish it once a week at least to counter this.

If you look at any company car (like a BMW 3-series) you see little scratches and swirls from where it's been through car washes, using brushes.

Many years ago you may well have been an experienced valeter, I may not have been, but I still have a brain!
Soap and water + sponge will remove way more polish of a car than detergent free water, pure or otherwise.
Polish is NOT water soluable, dirt and grime is, hence you can use pure water (or just tap water) to clean your car...tap water won't dry out properly though, just like on windows you will leave residue spots.
The swirls we all see...mmm...well in car washes I've been in, how can it leave swirls? Ditto with the brush, I don't clean it in big or small circles, they would be straight lines, particularly from a car wash.
I'm sure that with just about any method of cleaning a dirty car there is going to be the potential to mark the paintwork, even with a sponge.
You have paintwork, and then you have sponge or brush, between the two you have a layer of dirt, grime and grit and as you wash you have friction.
I suppose you can avoid that with a pressure washer and detergent though.

Lacquered vehicles don't polish up well, you certainly can't T-cut them, as Nat says, soap, water and a buff with a chamois is all that is needed and they look as good as new.

Ian

[nat]

Ian, you may get away with a brush and you may not, a sponge may pick up grit which my leave swirls, as for a car wash they are very bad for leaving marks, not saying they will all the time but i have seen evidence of what the brushes can do.

use a clean warm sponge, preferbly steamed if you have a steam pressure washer before using, this way you will be sure there is no foregin bodies that can cause your car damage.

I must admit that i don't do that with sponges on my own car, but i do give them a good hot rinse after every use. If you use a brush head you will probably have more chance of grit and other build up than could damage your car as well as more chance of leaving swirls in general, i'm not saying all cars as we've pointed out silver cars have a lot more laquer on them but to be safe than sorry you have to be cautious

[nat]

have you ever noticed silver cars don't have as many stonechips? look at high mileage black or dark blue car you will see how thin the paint work really is

[Sir Squeaky]

Soap and water + sponge will remove way more polish of a car than detergent free water, pure or otherwise.

Well anyone with half a brain doesn't use soap on their car! :
You use wash and wax.

Pure water is aggressive like you've said, it's not like tap water, it does take the shine off if it's rubbed in.

I've tried it, I don't see how you can argue it.
In fact I do know why, because just like a lot of others on here you think pure water is some sort of magic potion.

I'm still experienced in valeting, I do it all the time.

I don't tell you how to play cricket, why tell me about valeting?

[nat]

I don't tell you how to play cricket, why tell me about valeting?

there sounds like a father and son thing going on here.

"why do you always tell me what to do?"

 

[windowwashers]

I don't tell you how to play cricket, why tell me about valeting?

there sounds like a father and son thing going on here.

"why do you always tell me what to do?"

 

lol squeaky be nice

[Ian_Giles]

Soap and water + sponge will remove way more polish of a car than detergent free water, pure or otherwise.

Well anyone with half a brain doesn't use soap on their car! :
You use wash and wax.

Pure water is aggressive like you've said, it's not like tap water, it does take the shine off if it's rubbed in.

I've tried it, I don't see how you can argue it.
In fact I do know why, because just like a lot of others on here you think pure water is some sort of magic potion.

I'm still experienced in valeting, I do it all the time.

I don't tell you how to play cricket, why tell me about valeting?

Wash and wax may be your preferred choice, that doesn't make it the right one or necessarily the best one.
Why on earth everyone believes pure water is aggressive is beyond me, it is no more aggressive than rain water, and at what point does it become aggressive?
We measure our TDS in parts per million, I think ionics (I could be wrong) have a system that measures it in parts per BILLION!
and when measured like that, our water at zero parts per million is not pure at all!

As I keep trying to tell you Rog, I actually have a brain, and I'm quite analytical too.
I don't know the product make up of wash & wax, but it will have detergent in there somewhere, and any contact with cloth/sponge/brush and dirt and grit will have the capacity to mark paintwork.
Pure water alone or used with a brush is not going to dissolve or be responsible for the spoiling of a waxed finish, certainly no more so than ordinary tap water.

The wax on a car will of course wear away from the surface if rubbed, and will also wear away with natural weathering, hence why you will reapply it regularly.
No wax is going to be as hard as the paint you are applying it too.

and i have not at any time told you how to valet a car, but that doesn't mean that I won't offer opinions on your statements, and just because once upon a time, many years ago, for a short while you valeted cars for a garage does it makes you the forum expert on car valeting, from other posts I've read, there are a few on here that have way more experience in that field than you do.

you of course cannot offer much of an opinion on cricket because you neither like the game, play it or understand it.

Ian

[Moderator David@stives]

If the water on your car beads , this means the wax is still holding out.

When it starts to sheet this is when it needs rewaxing

[john meehan]

hi guys have any of you used the waterless system reply greatly appreciated thanks john

[nat]

why would you wanna use the waterless system? did you see them guys on dragons den?? slated!

whats the point? its not quicker (and actually looks harder IMO) and you can get faultless results doing it the proper way!

sorry but if it was quicker and you could make more money then great but i don't think you can.

[Sir Squeaky]

If the water on your car beads , this means the wax is still holding out.

When it starts to sheet this is when it needs rewaxing

Exactly.

Wash your polished car with wfp and afterwards the water doesn't bead so well, if at all.

I've been saying it long before I had wfp, I've tried and proved it since, and Ian can say what he likes, I am right on this one.  :

...and just because once upon a time, many years ago, for a short while you valeted cars for a garage does it makes you the forum expert on car valeting, from other posts I've read, there are a few on here that have way more experience in that field than you do.

How patronising, and how inaccurate!
I've valeted for various people all over the country.
I've also done cars at the Motor Show at the NEC, to a standard far higher than anyone on here I guarantee it, using techniques and matierials you wouldn't even have heard of.
They only pick the best technicians.
I've acheived the highest standard qualification from Autoglym themselves.
So yes, I do know what I'm talking about.

you of course cannot offer much of an opinion on cricket because you neither like the game, play it or understand it.

Well yes I'm not that keen on cricket, but I do understand it, and I'm pretty good at it.
But I wouldn't question it to you.

Ian

[nat]

gotta ask squeaky, what materials and techniques are there that we wouldn't of heard of?

[Mo]

I wash my car & van every friday

[Sir Squeaky]

gotta ask squeaky, what materials and techniques are there that we wouldn't of heard of?

If I told you then you'd have heard of them, then I wouldn't have an advantage in my knowledge.

I wash my car & van every friday

I wash my van every other day and polish it at least once a week.

[nat]

gotta ask squeaky, what materials and techniques are there that we wouldn't of heard of?

If I told you then you'd have heard of them, then I wouldn't have an advantage in my knowledge.

In other words your talking fart!

what advantage would you gain? zero! I'm not into valeting there is no money in it we are just talking techniques...enlighten me Squeaky so that i can take you seriously in what you say?

[Sir Squeaky]

I would have to write pages and pages of ways to do things and sort out problems, and I really can't be bothered.

Believe what you want, but I learned stuff with Autoglym I wouldn't have even though of otherwise.

It's not that interesting anyway.

[nat]

 : of course

[Davo]

Squeeky do Autoglyn produce anything that would bring up uPVC, so that when you had cleaned it you could put a protective finish on it, you know similar to a silicone gel.

Leave it with a gloss finish for a few months??

Your advice would be very much appreciated.


Mark

[Sir Squeaky]

Squeeky do Autoglyn produce anything that would bring up uPVC, so that when you had cleaned it you could put a protective finish on it, you know similar to a silicone gel.

Leave it with a gloss finish for a few months??

Your advice would be very much appreciated.


Mark

As far as I remember the Leather Restorer will work on PVC as well.
It's the bottle with the gold label, but it's pretty hard to get hold of.
You basically use it like a polish.
You rub it in thoroughly, and buff it off with a soft cloth.
Leaves a nice lemon smell too.

[Davo]

Squeeky do Autoglyn produce anything that would bring up uPVC, so that when you had cleaned it you could put a protective finish on it, you know similar to a silicone gel.

Leave it with a gloss finish for a few months??

Your advice would be very much appreciated.


Mark

As far as I remember the Leather Restorer will work on PVC as well.
It's the bottle with the gold label, but it's pretty hard to get hold of.
You basically use it like a polish.
You rub it in thoroughly, and buff it off with a soft cloth.
Leaves a nice lemon smell too.

Would that  leave a protective film over the uPVC to improve its appearance? And how long would that finish last (Summer months)??




Mark