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NWH

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Re: Increasing Flow Rate
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2007, 05:35:45 pm »
JM123 can you ring me,01424732954 cheers.

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Increasing Flow Rate
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2007, 05:37:44 pm »
Thanks for the replies Guys.

Alex, sorry but im not going to take your advice on this for the simple reason of the amount of money ive spent on these and the fact that the 2 pumps are set up identically yet the 6.4lpm pump is working great, I just need advice as to why the 5.2lpm pump isnt giving me the flow I need.

JM, I appreciate what your saying about the DI vessel as its a thought that crossed my mind but as I mentioned above each pump is set up identically including them both having a 800ml DI vessel each yet only one pump is doing the business

Is it because the 5.2 lpm is a lower flow rate than the 6.4 lpm??

Alistair@AWC

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Re: Increasing Flow Rate
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2007, 05:41:37 pm »
Alex,

I appreciate that the 5.2lpm is a lower flow rate than the 6.4lpm but if you saw the two in operation you would agree that the performance difference is not down to the stated flow rates

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Increasing Flow Rate
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2007, 05:43:30 pm »
Still a fair bit cheaper than a varistream + shureflow, why do other suppliers recommend the first option Alex, is there ANY advantage in using a varistreem?

Yes there is - if you set it up correctly, a Varistream will reduce your flow rate and save you water but you will probably end up working slower because you've got a lower flow rate.  It should reduce the loading on your battery giving you  slightly longer pumping between charges.

Why do most suppliers recommend them? - because they have been heavily promoted for the window cleaning market whereas Flojet have never bothered.

Alex,

I appreciate that the 5.2lpm is a lower flow rate than the 6.4lpm but if you saw the two in operation you would agree that the performance difference is not down to the stated flow rates

If there are no blockages in your system and the electric feed to the pump is good with no bad connections, then it has to be a dodgy pump or a dodgy varistream.

Alistair@AWC

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Re: Increasing Flow Rate
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2007, 02:17:50 pm »
Hi,

Just to let you guys know, through a process of switching components around ive now isolated the problem to the inner vessel of one of my DI canisters.....................who'd have thunck that  ??? ::) :(

AL

MartinB

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Re: Increasing Flow Rate
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2007, 03:31:16 pm »
Alistair

Could you repeat that just for Alex please!

MartinB

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Increasing Flow Rate
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2007, 03:38:52 pm »
Still a fair bit cheaper than a varistream + shureflow, why do other suppliers recommend the first option Alex, is there ANY advantage in using a varistreem?

Yes there is - if you set it up correctly, a Varistream will reduce your flow rate and save you water but you will probably end up working slower because you've got a lower flow rate.  It should reduce the loading on your battery giving you  slightly longer pumping between charges.

Why do most suppliers recommend them? - because they have been heavily promoted for the window cleaning market whereas Flojet have never bothered.

Alex,

I appreciate that the 5.2lpm is a lower flow rate than the 6.4lpm but if you saw the two in operation you would agree that the performance difference is not down to the stated flow rates

If there are no blockages in your system and the electric feed to the pump is good with no bad connections, then it has to be a dodgy pump or a dodgy varistream.

The proviso was on there being no blockages first!!

Glad you got it sorted out.


Alistair@AWC

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Re: Increasing Flow Rate
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2007, 03:42:10 pm »
Hi Alex,

I hijacked another post that you posted on............but ill repeat here

Is Kirsty in the office because ive been trying to get her all afternoon with an urgent order concerning this problem

Regards

AL

Alistair@AWC

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Re: Increasing Flow Rate
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2007, 03:51:27 pm »
Cheers Dave,

Just done that  ;D

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Increasing Flow Rate
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2007, 03:54:12 pm »
Hi Al

Just seen your other post and replied on it!

Peter Fogwill

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Re: Increasing Flow Rate
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2007, 04:18:32 pm »
MartinB,

What are your thoughts on using a relay to reduce the work the pressure switch has to do?

Peter

Peter Fogwill

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Re: Increasing Flow Rate
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2007, 09:19:22 am »
MartinB,

What are your thoughts on using a relay to reduce the work the pressure switch has to do?

Peter

Thought I would give this a nudge up in case Martin doesn’t check the second page.  The posts do disappear quickly on this forum.

Peter

Ian_Giles

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Re: Increasing Flow Rate
« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2007, 05:14:21 pm »
Mmm, this thread has resolved itself now I guess, but thought I'd mention what I have done....

100psi flojet, 100m microbore, needle jetted superlite brush and a flow rate if left fully open of...er....an awful lot, twin streams of water going 15ft or more...way more than I need.

So had the flow restriction in the normal place...on the pole hose, duly adjusted to the level I was happy with.

Then my flow kept dropping, I was thinking my battery was knackered before realising that the hose leading from my water tank to the pump was of such a cheap type, the suction from the pump was collapsing it! :o Hence reducing my flow to a dribble at time :-\
Rightly or wrongly I have now but my flow tap BEFORE the pump, the pump works absolutely perfectly and has done for some months now, one thing it can't do is cycle because the pump isn't going to have the back pressure to cause it to happen.

I have no idea whatsoever if this is good or bad for the pump....but it don't half work good!

I had a big day today, not going to say how much though, but in the past I was using over 650 litres of water meaning I had to go back for a top up, now I am going home at 3pm with half a tank of water left ;)
I have dropped my flowrate by  a huge amount and I am still working as quickly as before.
My twin jets of water are now no more than 3 or 4 ft....a high flowrate? Not needed if your technique is good.

Ian
Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

Peter Fogwill

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Re: Increasing Flow Rate
« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2007, 08:22:02 pm »
MartinB,

What are your thoughts on using a relay to reduce the work the pressure switch has to do?

Peter

Well I will take the lack of response to mean that the relay does take the pressure of the pump switch. 

Peter

MartinB

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Re: Increasing Flow Rate
« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2007, 09:22:44 am »
Peter

Apologies for delay - have been away from work for a couple of days.

The Varistream completely removes the pressure switch from the system, and takes over the control of the pressure switching of the pump. That is one of its design features.

The new Digital Varistream is now being shipped to stockists.

Martin

NWH

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Re: Increasing Flow Rate
« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2007, 05:07:32 pm »
What new features has the new digital varistream.

Paul Coleman

Re: Increasing Flow Rate
« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2007, 05:30:33 pm »
Still a fair bit cheaper than a varistream + shureflow, why do other suppliers recommend the first option Alex, is there ANY advantage in using a varistreem?

Yes there is - if you set it up correctly, a Varistream will reduce your flow rate and save you water but you will probably end up working slower because you've got a lower flow rate.  It should reduce the loading on your battery giving you  slightly longer pumping between charges.

Why do most suppliers recommend them? - because they have been heavily promoted for the window cleaning market whereas Flojet have never bothered.

Alex,

I appreciate that the 5.2lpm is a lower flow rate than the 6.4lpm but if you saw the two in operation you would agree that the performance difference is not down to the stated flow rates

If there are no blockages in your system and the electric feed to the pump is good with no bad connections, then it has to be a dodgy pump or a dodgy varistream.

I've used a 100 PSI flojet with microbore just fine.  The flow rate is decent and, as far as I'm aware, the Flojet manufacturers would honour the warranty when using it with microbore.  Apparently, using microbore with a shurflo pump voids the warranty.

Peter Fogwill

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Re: Increasing Flow Rate
« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2007, 05:49:00 pm »

Quote

  Apparently, using microbore with a shurflo pump voids the warranty.

Not when they come with one of my systems, the warranty still stands.

Peter

NWH

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Re: Increasing Flow Rate
« Reply #38 on: November 23, 2007, 05:50:52 pm »
I think you`ll find that the warranty problems start when you stop using a varistream.