[Dave_Lee]

Simbo,
The detergents I use are :- Alltecs Ultmate Master, Prochems Crystal Green and Double Clean, Hydramastera Hydra Dri, and Spitfire (Which can also be fresh water rinsed).
Dave.

[paul@ctcs]

Hi Countryfresh,

Solutions number 2 and number 4 are micro splitting cleaning chemicals, number 4 being woolsafe. A number of CC's on these forums use microsplitters on a majority of jobs, check out the solutions uk website.
 
Charlie pads are used in conjuction with a slow speed rotary, they are a very effective low moisture method of carpet cleaning(only commercial carpet for me but others may disagree) these are also on the solutions web site.

Paul

[Peter_Blackburn]

Hi,

    Did this chair today. Agitated with Bane Preface, rinsed using Bane PCA 5.

Would never dream of using Micro Splitters again, they just don't cut it when put against traditionals.

[Doug Holloway]

Peter,

You missed a bit

Interesting , I still use traditional chemicals and microsplitters.

It's horses for courses.

Solution no.3 is Solution no.2 diluted 3:1 with water.

Cheers,

Doug

[paul@ctcs]

Doug,

 The chemical make up of solutions number 3 is not the same as the number 2, Im sure Nick can explain in more detail.

Paul

[nick.solution]

Hi Guys

Solution No3 is 25% stronger than the No 2 concentrate which is why it is labelled as a Spotter. No2 diluted will not be as strong!!

Peter your chair looks interesting if cleaning this with microsplitter did not work I would suggest you may have been using it incorrectly.

Lionheart if you send me an e mail I will send a trial pack Free

Best regards Nick

[*paul_moss]

Peter
you missed the middle bit its still black 

Paul

[easi-kleen]

Nick

What are your thoughts on rinsinsing with detergents?

M/S are still new to me and my results have been good but not fantastic.

I think my techniques are improving all the time but at the moment I'm thinking there are some occasions when traditional detergents may may acieve a better result and maybe with some time saving as I seem to spend a fair bit of time applying No3 re agitating and re rinsing.

Phil

[Len Gribble]

Peter

Are you trying to make a point, if so not impressed as from the picture I can see some markings also what have you done to the arm it look flat and curled.

Re Bane know of the machine, cleaning agents zero, take it they don’t advertise here or do they?

Buy the way noticed the label ServiceMaster

Len

[Peter_Blackburn]

Len,

   The marks on the arm did eventualy come out but took some scrubing. the elderly owner had been sitting her husband on the arm rest to feed him, he had also repetedly wet and soiled himself on the same chair when they had visitors round, so overall result isnt bad considering the circumstance.

She said he was unable to keep his draws dry for 5 mins.

Thanks
Pete

[Dynafoam]

Peter,

A great result, especially considering the type of soiling.

I must however say the, though I would use 'conventional' products for some of the soiling, the general effect is in line with what I would expect from the use of micro-splitters,

[Peter_Blackburn]

Thanks John,

                 The guy must have loved chicken nuggets, found seven of them stuffed down the side.

Maybe he was saving them for later!

Pete

[mark_roberts]

For my limit experience (4 years) I use what it takes to get it clean.  It may be MS and it may be Umaster or F90 or whatever.

Dont forget some of the cleaners on here only clean clean carpets!!

I personally havent cleaned a suite as dirty as the one above in over a year (apart form rentals).  I would be well pleased to have got the result Peter got, in fact I may even get some Bane chems.

Like David I havent seen signs of resoiling from using detergents (is that even the correct name) except from customers own attempts with 1001.

IMO using correct procedure and using chems the way they where designed will get good results.

Mark

[dave401uk]

good morning guys,
I think the thread is being kept going on the subject of m/s by the head in the sand approach to the methods we all use, The this is the way ive allways done it syndrome! yes i  agree change is always a hard thing to do when you have been doing it the same way for yrs. i only ever used ultimate master/double clean ect, it was the way i was trained,it was the way every one did it!
i read about M/S on the forum,pondered for ages about the method! couldnt quite get my head round the method, after all ive always thrown powder in my tank,and spent time pushhing a brush up and down a carpet,but i tried them with an sceptical mind,

I found a new method to clean carpets and upholstery,i found the results outstanding,and my drying times are better,

The customers think that its great, people are becoming more aware of IDAQ, they also like the fact that they dont have an oudor.

I think we as a group of people should be more open to new ideas,and methods,

Ive been around the industry fo r 25yrs, and ive just had my eyes opened
Dave

[woodman]

Hi Peter

The poor old girl, you think she would get some help with the old fella wouldn't you

If you got all the marks out then well done if it works for you keep doing it.

You probably did not give MS a long enough trial period, it is a bit of trial and error at the beginning with them.I am sure that most of us that use them would have got the same results as you on that chair.

How long did it take to dry and did you have an odour problem bearing in mind that the poor guy had soiled himself and the chair.

[nick.solution]

Hi Phill

I assume you mean rinse using a detergent? you can do this if you wish however the microsplitter would work against the detergent therfore reducing the capabilities of both chemicals.

and cost you more money!!

Your choice of course

Best regards Nick

[simbo]

message to nick

a bit cheeky i know but could i possibly get some free samples to try as well, would be really gratefull.
 
 simbo
 ps: recieved an email from you but no attachment

[Len Gribble]

Peter

Sorry to here of his inconsonance, the lady needs to contact the district nurse they supply Tana.

I take it that mean when you removed the seating cushion you found the golden nuggets and not put you hand down the sides looking for the tip!

Mark

I have a nice one coming up re http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4382.0 still want me to clean it? Are you local to me?

Dave401uk

Have to ask what’s IDAQ just love educantion

Len

[Dave_Lee]

Dave,
I have also been in this business for over 25 years, and like you I have always been on the lookout for new things new ideas etc. It was only three years ago that I joined Fast Track and have gone on update training courses throughout all those years, so I dont think you or anyone can accuse me of being a stick in the mud (Not that Im suggesting your post was solely directed at me?).
I accept that maybe I have not quite got the absolute hang of microsplitters on all occasions - dont get me wrong, I get superb results with them, with a fresh water rinse much of the time but not always and as I said when the results are not up to scratch the switch to detergent does the trick. I did ask Nick on an earlier post about a microsplitter seminar to demonstrate on the correct way of using microsplitters. I have listened to many people on these boards describe how they use them and and tried their way with mixed results, so as far as I am concerned - at the present time at least - microsplitters are not the be all, end all, total replacement for detergents unless you are cleaning what the CCs in our area would call clean carpets. I get suites like the chair in Peters photo all the time and while I accept microsplitters would do a good job on it likes, in my opinion a detergent would do better.
Dave.

[Doug Holloway]

Len,

IDAQ  , according to Google it's  , Imperial Data AcQuisition or
Indoor Air Quality , I think Dave means the latter in this case

I too am an 'old cleaner' , who because of the advent of microsplitters am experimenting more now than I have since I left the lab many years ago.

I am very pleased with the m/s approach on cleanish upholstery and carpets , less convinced on dirty carpets or upholstery.
I will keep trying when time permits but expect to keep a range of chemicals on board.

Cheers,

Doug