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dan roberts

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rule of thumb for pricing up a job
« on: August 16, 2007, 10:11:32 pm »
Hi, a mate of mine wants me to do his bar carpets in his pub, what is a rough idea on how much and how long it takes? obv if its lagged in crap then alot longer, but its not too bad when u look at it, gets done yearlyish.

Any thoughts Gentlemen?

Dan
Life moves pretty fast, if u dont stop and look around once in a while, u could miss it.

Re: rule of thumb for pricing up a job
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2007, 10:14:30 pm »
Pub carpets...£2/sqM minimum

dan roberts

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Re: rule of thumb for pricing up a job
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2007, 10:32:29 pm »
thanks. Length times width = sq yes? (x£2 min)

Pythagoris worked that beauty out didnt he?  :-\

So pre spray with what chem, and extract with hot water extraction liquid yeh?

Mighty obliged with all suggestions

Dan
Life moves pretty fast, if u dont stop and look around once in a while, u could miss it.

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: rule of thumb for pricing up a job
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2007, 10:33:27 pm »
Roughly how many living room carpets does it fill? times that by your living room carpet price BUT how much do you want the job? what about payment 7 days,1 day, 30 days? chewing gum? who else is quoting Chemdry, splash and dash?

Ask loads of questions most publicans want it cheap, I try and sell on dry so they can open up without fear of drowning.

Shaun


dan roberts

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Re: rule of thumb for pricing up a job
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2007, 10:41:58 pm »
Thanks Shaun, man this site is cool.
Ok being a newbie, what is chem dry, how is it applied, what machine, technique?
AND also, is there ways of cleaning carpets that make Rainbow Warriors happy, and people like Swampy and all other activists? Only I wonder that if there were a eco friendly substitute, it may well sell better down here where I am.

Thoughts please....

Dan  :)
Life moves pretty fast, if u dont stop and look around once in a while, u could miss it.

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: rule of thumb for pricing up a job
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2007, 10:48:27 pm »
Nemesis from www.restormate.com if not try the .co.uk at the end instead, expensively cheap if you do your maths!

Sounds as though you could do with some training first though! if you don't know what Chemdry is or should I say who they are well you are definatley new or have been living in a shoe box ;D

www.chemdry.co.uk they are a franchised competitor

Shaun

dan roberts

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Re: rule of thumb for pricing up a job
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2007, 10:57:57 pm »
ah I see, its not what, its who!! :-[

Im goona do prochrm one day course next month. then advertise...
how much is insurance?

dan
Life moves pretty fast, if u dont stop and look around once in a while, u could miss it.

AquaMagic

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Re: rule of thumb for pricing up a job
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2007, 11:06:18 pm »
Dan dont forget to agitate mate this will ussually make a large diffeance to the end result.

Dene

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: rule of thumb for pricing up a job
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2007, 11:08:55 pm »
and keep it drier and stops you from fetching loads of buckets of water.

Shaun

dan roberts

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Re: rule of thumb for pricing up a job
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2007, 11:13:13 pm »
Best form of agitation Aqua? Hard brush and a chemical?

Dan
Life moves pretty fast, if u dont stop and look around once in a while, u could miss it.

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: rule of thumb for pricing up a job
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2007, 11:14:55 pm »
Scrubbing machine like a slow speed buffer, if it's a pub I would use an enzyme product wwwhydramster.co.uk sell some really good stuff ring them and ask.

Shaun

will01

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Re: rule of thumb for pricing up a job
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2007, 12:28:53 am »
Dan:

Is the carpet a Belgian Wilton?. Some pubs/restaurants etc buy BW's so just be on your guard.

Will

carpetguy

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Re: rule of thumb for pricing up a job
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2007, 06:17:43 pm »
Well said Mel :D :D

gwrightson

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Re: rule of thumb for pricing up a job
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2007, 08:18:06 pm »
Yes mel, but everybody starts somwere, and at least he is asking, and he is considering a course,
to be fair I would suggest as their are so many c/c in your area, you ask 1 of them to take you along for some practical work. give them the job, and just take a cut
it will be beifficial in the long run.

Any offers, all of you Exceter c/c ?

geoff
who ever said dont knock before u try ,i never tried dog crap but i know i wouldnt like  haha

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: rule of thumb for pricing up a job
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2007, 08:22:16 pm »
Mel you should read the book "how to win friends and influence people"

You have just come onto this forum in a blaze! we try to be friendly folk who look after the new comers to the industry and make sure that they are guided in the correct direction not made fun of!

Shaun

*paul_moss

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Re: rule of thumb for pricing up a job
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2007, 08:32:18 pm »
Shaun
Agree with what you say.
We all start somewere and at different levels.
However the difference is knowledge and the forums have made a big diffrence over the past few  years.
Its good that people feel confident enough to ask.
So lets not knock them  :-X
Paul Moss  MBICSc
www.mosscleaning.co.uk
REMOVED FOR POSTING OFFENSIVE MATERIAL

Steve Chapman

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Re: rule of thumb for pricing up a job
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2007, 08:35:08 pm »
From what i can see Dan is asking all the right questions and thirsting for carpet cleaning knowledge, everybody has to start somewhere, it's not an exclusive club, surely everyones welcome, theres room for the cheapies and the expensive guys,  as long as he gets training then he will do well and find his niche in the business,

Mel, ---    you obviously had the fortune of being born a carpet cleaner and never having to ask questions,   for the rest of us we've got the sense to ask and be educated, after all it's free to ask a question still isn't it.


regards
steve

dan roberts

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Re: rule of thumb for pricing up a job
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2007, 08:54:53 pm »
Thank u all for the replies! I am gobsmacked with Mels response, after being helped continuously for two years on this forum by all, a relative newbie comes in and mouths off like that?
Well I never!!
 :o

Dan
Life moves pretty fast, if u dont stop and look around once in a while, u could miss it.

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: rule of thumb for pricing up a job
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2007, 09:10:02 pm »
Mel perhaps we can start again because everyone is welcome and even veteran forum members are learning all the time, isn't that right Mossy?

Shaun

Ian Rochester

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Re: rule of thumb for pricing up a job
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2007, 06:27:10 am »
Dan,

In some ways I have to agree with Melanie, though her delivery leaves something to be desired.

It sounds as though you haven't made any purchases as yet and you have had a chat with the landlord, he has offered you the job (if the price is right) and you are now looking into it further, which is the correct way to go about it.

However, I have just looked on yell.com and there are already A LOT of carpet cleaners in the Exeter area, including several who are paying out £,000s for an enhanced listing and web link on yell.com.  It would be interesting if Melanie filled out her profile so we could see who she is and who she trades as!

Getting just one pub job doesn't justify investing in machinery and advertising, or even guarantee that you will get another job!  Competition is fierce.

Pubs are often the worst jobs you can do, their carpets are generally baked and inground with chewing gum.  There is a good chance of shrinkage depending upon the carpet type, especially if you don't know what you are doing. 

Even now I still hate doing pub carpets and we have probably 50+ pubs on our books as regular customers

They are also often looking for the cheapest price and also an almost impossible "as new" finish.  Don't expect that just because you did it this time that it is a guarantee repeat business, there is a good chance that the next "newbie" to come along will get a go for even less money.

Ask yourself, why are they asking you to do their carpet if you haven't ever done it before? 

Don't take this personnally but they are obviously not looking for the best  quality of service as you have no experience, they are not working off recommendations as you have nobody to recommend you, they are basically looking for someone to do it cheaper than it was done the last time, but they will expect the exact same quality of finish, or better!  Are you able to give them that?

The title of your thread relates to price, so you are also obviously primarily interested in how much you will get for the job.  Personally I would go on the course, see what's involved, test the market for prices and opportunities and then, if the work is there, look at purchasing a machine and making a go of it.

I would say though that the Exeter area looks pretty much saturated now will carpet cleaners of all abilities and prices