[Lizzy]

good luck Squeaks. 

"Your trip to the dark side is now complete.   
WFP will rule the world   HA HA HA HA HA"     
*spoken in a devil like voice*

[trevor perry]

when you start take time to work out best way to lie hoses etc as in the long run this can save a lot of time the first couple of days can be really frustrating when pipes etc keep getting caught and tangled on things . really looking forward to your posts this week as  know they will be honest opinions and not just bulsh---t.

[Russell Macdonald]

Rog, keep an eye out for dog & cat cr*p, its not nice on your pipe.

I always wind it in with a cloth in my hand, keeps it clean & avoids any nasty things ending up on your hands.

Macc

[Richy L]

so have you got a RO unit set up then squeaks? or are you using a DI vessel?

I thought about going wfp, bought everything for a backpack system, with a DI vessel, then decided it was easier doing it trad.
 It'll be interesting how you get on!

[Trevor Knight]

Nice one Andy, shame we never got to the two year part lmao!!

As for your shoulders, its just becuase your using muscles you haven't used before. Remember what is was like having been up an down a ladder all day when ya first started, I know it hurt like hell for ages.

[Sir Squeaky]

so have you got a RO unit set up then squeaks? or are you using a DI vessel?

I don't even know what that means.
I'm getting my water from someone else.

On another note, I did the back windows of my house today, then before they were dry it rained on them.

There's quite a few spots on them, but I don't know if that was the cleaning, or dirty rain putting them on after.
We had had quite sandy rain lately.

What if I do a customer's house first time wfp then it rains.
I'll obviuosly get the blame and have to do them again.

[SherwoodCleaningSe]

Squeeky

Have you ever slated off wfp to your customers before?

If you volunteer to go back to clean spotted windows you'll probably never have to.

It was probably the cleaning and not the rain that spotted the backs

Simon

[Russell Macdonald]

I had the same concerns as you mate, but dont worry it will come good & you will love it.

As for the frames, do them all, loads of scrubbing & rincing. As Trever said in a few months time it will make you job easy.

As for your aches they will improve. You will suffer a bit because muscles you didn't use before will ach. I feel 10 years younger now than i did when i was trad, some of the medical problems i had was one of the reasons i switched. I now no longer need a opp in my arm that was getting unbearible.

Macc

[Paul Coleman]

so have you got a RO unit set up then squeaks? or are you using a DI vessel?

I don't even know what that means.
I'm getting my water from someone else.

On another note, I did the back windows of my house today, then before they were dry it rained on them.

There's quite a few spots on them, but I don't know if that was the cleaning, or dirty rain putting them on after.
We had had quite sandy rain lately.

What if I do a customer's house first time wfp then it rains.
I'll obviuosly get the blame and have to do them again.

I go around first cleans twice on one visit as it helps.  I charge 50% more for first cleans.  Clearly this would be awkward to impose onto your existing customers but it might be worth doing it in order to get the quality a bit better first time around with WFP.  Obviously it will slow you down at first but it will come good I assure you.  I had a terrible time during the first few months of WFPing but I haven't had any hassle for ages.

[Richy L]

so have you got a RO unit set up then squeaks? or are you using a DI vessel?

I don't even know what that means.
I'm getting my water from someone else.

On another note, I did the back windows of my house today, then before they were dry it rained on them.

There's quite a few spots on them, but I don't know if that was the cleaning, or dirty rain putting them on after.
We had had quite sandy rain lately.

What if I do a customer's house first time wfp then it rains.
I'll obviuosly get the blame and have to do them again.

So your buying your water from someone?
wouldnt that be more expensive than making pure water yourself?

[Sir Squeaky]

Doubt it.

I wouldn't care if it was, I can't be doing with the hassle.
Not feasible at my present house anyway.

When I move I'll look into it, by it suits me fine at the moment.

[Sir Squeaky]

I did my parents' house today.

It has pretty standard upvc windows with no vents.
I was really thourough on the top of the frame and the top edge of the glass.
I scrubbed lots and lots and rinsed loads.

When they dried later I found a couple were ok, but most had spots and runs.
Some were just awful.

I was really doing all I could too.
Tomorrow is the first day of work with it, and I'm not exactly full of confidence with it.

I've heard lots about spots.
I've gained jobs because of spots.
Ian showed me it in action and left spots.
I scrubbed and rinsed for ages and left spots.

Maybe it just doesn't do it right.
Maybe I'll get away with it though...

Doesn't help that my brush on the extender threaded and won't attach now.
Have to use the modular all day.

[Chris Cottrell]

I guess it must be down to technique cause this used to happen to me when i first used wfp ,I do now find i can goto a new clean that has not been done for ages and do a first class job 99% of the time

so stick at it , its gonna come good

Chris

[Sir Squeaky]

It would help if I knew the technique then before I started.

I thought it was across the top and down the sides of the frame.
The the top edge and in the corners of the glass lots.
Then the rest of the glass then rinse off from the top downwards.

Isn't that right?
That's what Ian told me, and I did it over and over today with no success.

[Paul Coleman]

I did my parents' house today.

It has pretty standard upvc windows with no vents.
I was really thourough on the top of the frame and the top edge of the glass.
I scrubbed lots and lots and rinsed loads.

When they dried later I found a couple were ok, but most had spots and runs.
Some were just awful.

I was really doing all I could too.
Tomorrow is the first day of work with it, and I'm not exactly full of confidence with it.

I've heard lots about spots.
I've gained jobs because of spots.
Ian showed me it in action and left spots.
I scrubbed and rinsed for ages and left spots.

Maybe it just doesn't do it right.
Maybe I'll get away with it though...

Doesn't help that my brush on the extender threaded and won't attach now.
Have to use the modular all day.

Remember the posts about it sometimes taking 2 - 3 cleans for top quality results?  I usually try really hard on first cleans.  Sometimes they come up really well.  Sometimes it takes the second clean to achieve it.  Occasionally you may need a third.
Mind you, I have had a few customers comment on how well they come up even after the first clean.  I've also had customers grumble about the first clean but a few months later, they tell me that they want me to keep using the pure water.  Of course, most say nothing so I have to assume that all is OK.
I'm not familiar with your pole/brush setup so won't comment on that.
What I will say (again) though is that if you persevere, it will come good.

[Paul Coleman]

It would help if I knew the technique then before I started.

I thought it was across the top and down the sides of the frame.
The the top edge and in the corners of the glass lots.
Then the rest of the glass then rinse off from the top downwards.

Isn't that right?
That's what Ian told me, and I did it over and over today with no success.

It can change a bit from person to person Rog but that is basically it.  I feel that is important to get the first cleans right to make it easier later.  I go around twice on the first cleans.  Assuming no vents, I scrub frames and glass on the first pass ensuring that the top of the frame gets a very thorough scrubbing and cleaning and I use loads of water.  Second pass is glass only - again with loads of water.  Imagine the frames are on fire and you want to put it out.

[SherwoodCleaningSe]

There's no doubt about it the first cleans are a pain in the neck.  Tomorrow night you might feel like slashing your wrists.  Do all the frames first then the windows with absolutely loads of rinsing off.

[brett walker]

This time next year you will look back and think its been a long journey but worth it and you will be giving wfp newbies advice yourself, lets face it theres plenty of advice here to put any mistakes right.  Its all down to tehnique and patience

Best of luck for tomorrow Rog

Brett

[Sir Squeaky]

Cheers guys.

I don't find it easy rinsing with just two jets of water.
It seems it would be a lot easier and more thorough with 4 or more across the brush.

I'll post a first day report tomorrow evening.

[*foxman]

As long as your water from the brush head is 000 TDS that should give you the confidence to do the job. It will be down to rinsing 99% of the time.