[Mark Betts]

Jim

You hit the nail on the head with your comment "get a sense of humour".

We are only carpet ckeaners when all said and done not flipin brain surgeons.

And I think Jason had some very good suggestions amongst all the rubbish he spurted ( and yes I do think he was doing this to wind people up)

Bring him abck and lets have a bloody gigggle again !"

Mark

[gwrightson]

Correct me if i am wrong,
but i believe i was the first to react and reply to jasons
very first post on here,what i read at the time was
a little concerning, although deep down i really thought he was just a wind up merchant, and after the initial banter between us, i did feel he was getting personnel in his comments to certain members, non might i add that where aimed at me , did i take seriously
having said this , i did find his tactics in getting reactions
were spot on ,and "lots did react" good i think!!
what i do wonder though ,Did i initially provoke him, or was it his intention all along to be controversial,
i  wonder ?
the conclusion.  let him stay, perhaps he can be of use
in the future, even though some of his tactics are frowed upon, but surly we all know his methods and
ideas to avoid, and the ones to grasp
common sense i would say,
Jason just dont get to personal , when sombody questions you !!!!
 geoff

[nick.solution]

Hi Guys

It would seem to me the best way to treat people like Jason is to simply ignore them If none of us had replied he would not have been able to continue with as much rubbish as he did and waste so much time. Whether or not his marketting was any good is debatable, certainly the tactics he employed with his customers were highly questionable if not illegal. a great topic to see on a professional forum ( I think not)

Derek I think your actions were justified and correct

Best regards Nick

[dan_1]

regards the tax avoidance we have all dun jobs cash. banning jason just make the forum for a clicky gang

[strakercleaning]

Exactly what i meant by ' saying what we think but are afraid to say out loud '

[Forum Admin]

Just so everyone is aware, it was my decision to remove jasonb from the forum following a number of complaints just before I went on holiday. He was warned about the tone of his posts but I understand that he continued to post messages that were not just unprofessional, but offensive - these have now been removed and I suspect some of you may be commenting without having seen all his posts.
I'm not back in the UK until Sunday but will look at his posts and review the situation then.
Regards
Mike Boxall - Forum Admin

[cleanmac]

Well Mike, sofar it is 19 for and 50 against removing JasonB.

[Len Gribble]

Cleanmac

Would they have voted this way if JasonB were an employee of theirs? Perhaps another poll would you employ JasonB to expand your business? that would be interesting.

Len

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys,

In the 1700's the majority of people thought the earth was flat!

Cheers,

Doug

[Derek]

Hi Guys

I think this topic has just about run it's course....

Jason had a right to his opinion, I believe what upset people was the tone and manner in which he put over his points.

Jason has some good marketing ideas and I am sure (as someone has already said) if he conformed to a code of practice then he would have an even more successful and lucrative business than he believes he has.

Derek

[Shorty]

I'm not a brash North American.

Nor am I a stoic Brit;

I am a proud Aussie and a citizen of the world.

Having said that, I also have the greatest respect for the people that run this forum, and also the genuine posters.

Rather than get into a nasty, personal, debate about what so & so did, and the way he/she may have gone about it, I find it so much easier, that if I do not like the contents of a particular person's post, I make a decision not to read any further post's from that person.

None of us are without fault.

We all have our own individual way of putting a point across.

Some may get highly offended, whilst others will get a giggle out of it.

I like freedom of speech.

Foul language, and vile personnal attacks, is not acceptable, I like to think that all of us are Gentlemen.

With the exception of the Ladies that post here, naturally.

Draconian measures, such as what appears to have happened, are a serious blight on freedom of speech.

This is only my opinion, and I trust that common sense will prevail when the Forum Administrator returns.

Life is too short to be so easily upset by words on a computer screen.  Crikey, listen to the filth on the telly

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, even the dull and the ignorant like yours truly    

Cheers, the short, round, mound of sound, from up top, down under, with a comment on anything & everything.

Shorty.

[cleanmac]

Hi Doug

Are you implying that one can have the "wrong" opinion on a subjective matter?My East German relatives would be thrilled to bits if this is the case,they can,t wait to return to the "good old days".

Jason being offensive is an opinion and not a fact.

David

[cleanmac]

Hi Len

I would happily employ Jason and show him you can make money and be ethical in the process.

David

[Len Gribble]

David

The way I read it, he was a one way street his way or no way, hope you have a deep training budget if you employ him.

Shorty define Draconian measures now Mike has returned and replied that he was warned what is your stance now?

Len

[poleman]

it seems bad to ban someone, they did it on the window cleaning side of things BUT that was Because of water fed pole suppliers and the politics that come with it

Andy
smart cleaning
window cleaning at it best

[Dynafoam]

David,

Jason being offensive is an opinion and not a fact.

If you think that, then you clearly did not read all his posts when anyone opposed his views he customarilly responded with a personal insult - FACT.

John.

[Shorty]

G'day Len, I say Draconian because I feel that it was extremely harsh to ban someone from a forum because of their opinion.

In my opinion, I feel it would have been a better situation to have edited this persons posts, rather than a ban.

I also realise that no-one has the resources to monitor all posts 24/7, nor should they have to. Maybe a public warning on the forum, advising particular posters that they are going past the point of decency, and of the consequences if they continue on that tack.

I must admit that I have not read his posts, so I cannot rightfully comment on the attitude of the ones in question.

I would not teach my Granny how to suck eggs, nor would I attempt to tell the Forum Administrator how to do his job.

As such, as I have stated earlier, this is only my opinion.

I'm not saying whatever Jason said is right nor wrong,
but I do feel that anyone should be allowed to state their opinion.

Imagine if we all had the same ideas, did the same thing, worked to the same ideals, we could all be communists.  

Individuals must have the right of freedom of speech, even if we all do not agree with what they say.
I know a lot will not agree with what I say, but that's okay.
I certainly won't hate anyone for not ageeing with what I say.

That again is freedom of speech, and I would appreciate that, not get upset by it.

I'm to old for that now.

Cheers,

Shorty.

[Shorty]

David,


If you think that, then you clearly did not read all his posts when anyone opposed his views he customarilly responded with a personal insult - FACT.

John.

Just read this after I posted my last bit.

If that is the case, and I don't doubt John, then this Jason does not sound like a Gentleman worthy of being on this forum.

Cheers,

Shorty.

[poleman]

WELL he has gone so can not do anything about.

Andy

[Jasonc]

David,


If you think that, then you clearly did not read all his posts when anyone opposed his views he customarilly responded with a personal insult - FACT.

John.

That's odd because as a keen follower of JasonB's posts I didn't really spot a situation where he insulted someone without being insulted first. But then expecting you to follow a simple line of dicussion was maybe a litte too much to expect.