[rich hand]

Having never used a dry system I am not sure of the answer to why we dont all just use a rotary such as dry fusion, especially since it is nearly half the price of a top HWE portable. For the domestic market I could understand if the HWE is more practical due to wand attatchments however.

[Mike Halliday]

because we are carpet cleaners, not dirt re-arrangers .

we want something that will give good results 99% of the time, which HWE usually does, OK you can get good results with bonnet cleaning but only sometimes.

bonnets don't clean domestic carpets that are dirty, they do a reasonable  job if all the carpet needs is a freshen up, but thats all

Mike

[Cloverleaf]

Never used a dry system, but from previous posts on here, I'm sure they have their place and good results and I won't knock it.

However.....did a big commercial job yesterday with HWE and perhaps the results may have looked the same with dry cleaning, but I doubt very much if it would have recovered the amount of thick black sludge,
grit and material that was emptied from the machine.

My own belief is, if it were my carpets, I'd choose HWE......I'd know they were cleaner!

Just common sense realy  


Damian, is my spelling ok? I'm crap at grammer

John

[prodry]

Totally agree with cloverleaf, I did a commercial carpet the other day, medium blue carpet tiles. Large building with a number of large offices within it. The offices are serviced and are usually cleaned by a large  cleaning co using dry bonnet system. I was cleaning only one office in the building the same day as the other company was cleaning the entire building, due to the fact one of the directors in the office was a friend of mine and insited to the building manger that I did it.

The carpets have been cleaned by the dry method a number of times before and I was stuned by the black tar I removed. To cut a long storey short the office that I cleaned has lightened and has stayed considerably cleaner then the other areas. The building manager was so impressed that I have been given the rest of the building to do on a regular basis.

However I must say that the other company cleaned 4 times the area that I did in the same time although there were two of them. Still when i come to do it all again It will be a two man job and the money to be made is well worth it.

i think the dry systems have there place and in countries like America where they use them properly ie. every 3 weeks not every six months and back them up with extraction periodically. 

   

[Mike Osbourne]

So tell me 'Prodry', would you be slightly biased toward a dry cleaning system by any chance?

[carpetclean]

i have three systems one is wet extraction,  a low moisture and finally micro sponges. in my humble opinion though there is a place for all systems the wet extraction is by far the best especially with a white towel test

[Atlantic Cleaning]

I have both HWE and a thermadry system and I get excellent results from them both. The thermadry system has its limitations but in the right circumstances ( low profile Carpets) the results are stunning. When I survay a customers carpets I make a decision as to which process will be suitable. Having both systems works really well for me.

Duncan

[prodry]

Mike

 I think you have misread my post I am biased towards HWE. I was stuned by how much black tar I removed by HWE and the better results I achieved using HWE

[Mike Osbourne]

Your right, totally got it the wrong way round. Apologies.

So really you should be called ProHWE.

[prodry]

Jokes aside having the word Dry in my company name has been a good thing. The amount of customers who ring and say that I have done their carpets before has been great. Obviousley confusing Prodry with another large company out there with a similar name.

Also I think dryness is a great worry to alot of people out there, especially those that have been stiched before by a splash and dash and been left with wet carpets for a few days.

[rich hand]

I find sometimes that detergent prespray followed by HWE is simply not enough, agitation is needed. The friction from  the sebo duo is usually hopeless so I use my feet instead. Would bonnet cleaning after the prespray and before the HWE be the answer?

Btw I use spitfire advanced so its not the chemical to blame.

[des]

Rich take my word and demo a agimac from solution ,s I use mine on every job and sometimes i look at the carpet that i am cleaning and it looks like you dont need to hwe after using agimac on it ,its that good  .I would give up carpet cleaning if i did not have my agimac  .Find agimac at world of clean on cleantalk Des

[des]

Rich i have just seen where you live so forget world of clean but there must be the same machine where you live ,its just a dry powder machine des

[Macarthur]

Thought the same thing Des, although I have just purchased an Oreck Orbiter (great little machine). Sometimes using the activa pads (grey stripe) some carpets that I pre-clean / aggitate look like they do not need HWE afterwards. Bought as an aggitation tool, but is excellent for bonnet drying afterwards should your customer require. Wouldnt be without it. Nigel.

[carpetguy]

Unusually fair and unbiased remarks, gentlemen.

I've used all of the system types listed and have positive comments to make for all of them, but there are occasions, when each system would be preferable to the other.

In the US and Canada, the high proportion of bonnet moppers have advantages over UK users, in that, they have been evoling into O/P users, have a greater range of specialist products and possibly, most importantly, they have 100% cotton bonnets, which are, apparently, far superior.

A point I've made before, but don't wish to labour, is that, the company who started bonnet mopping, started in C/C in 1947 and they continue to sell the same product, which it's claimed has achieved results which compare favourably, with a T/M, when used with the bonnet mopping method.

If it was possible to clean, by prespraying  -  aggitating  -  dry vaccuuming, life would be, so much easier.

HOLD ON A MINUTE...........................VANISH HAVE THE ANSWER

Well according to their Christmas advertising campaign................so we can all look forward to even bigger, mysterious, black patches in January and foam cutting out our machines.

robbie

[calmore]

If it was possible to clean, by prespraying  -  aggitating  -  dry vaccuuming, life would be, so much easier.

Isn't that basically what Prochem shampoo does?

You bung it on and bonnet it, let it dry and hoover it up. (During the drying process it's supposed to crystalise the dirt particles.)

[carpetguy]

Of course that's what it does, along with several other COMMERCIAL products, but only Cimex are promoting the concept at the moment and only to the trade.

I have'nt tried the Vanish product, but if it's anything like it's predecessors, it won't do, WHAT IT SAYS ON THE CAN, so we can expect even more foam in the near future, when mysterious black patches appear on carpets around the country.

robbie

[Amethyst]

I agree completely with the HWE supporters. There is no comparison. Particularly if you agitate thoroughly first. I too purchased the Oreck and its fantastic. Really does turn the HWE part into simple extracting, reduces the need for over-wetting so what better approach could there be!

[Vicki]

 ;)can you tell me who supplies the Oreck Orbiter so i can have a look please

[AquaMagic]

Im an HWE man my self and i use the Duo to agitate my prespray, however on a Large Commercial Job today  i decided to agitate with the bonnet mop, i wasnt thorough at all with the rotary just went over the carpet quickly one way then in the other direction i was suppried how well the carpet came up with such a quick pass, however when we when over with the trickmount it looked even better, i liked this vombination and will be using it again on the larger jobs but will stick to HWE and my duo for domestic.


Dene