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Jason Atwell

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Re: An time experiment...
« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2006, 12:17:56 am »
To the guys who favour wfp over traditional, when doing bungalows (without dormers) do you still use wfp or do you trad? I.E is wfp quicker on bungs as well?
Fleetwood Window Cleaning Services

Art

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Re: An time experiment...
« Reply #41 on: August 27, 2006, 12:37:04 am »
I use wfp and trad.  Prob 50/50 %

I really couldn't care less which one is faster or cleaner.  I've cleaned windows for 20 years and I know which is safer for me.  But who cares? 
If I was to be as argumentative in my posts or as controversial as Squeaky, in any other context, I would be in "the dark corner" by now. But you, Squeaky, are far more challenging, for far longer than I have been, yet it carries on!
Ian Giles' posts carry on too!  The other side of the coin argumentatively.
Anyone else would be told that their posts had been modified or deleted!  Because they go on and on far more than any other issue is allowed to.  Because it's all about where it started locally.
Lets be honest.  You two have worked with each other, now you argue online with each other, yet you live in close proximity to each other!  Why don't you sort this out, locally over a nice takeaway?
I'll tell you why.. Because it gets responses.
But If it was any other matter regarding w/c, equally challenging, like my post for instance....there would be complaints.  But you know I'm right.  Yes I am outspoken!  I am known for that.

Give up on your silly arguments about time trials.  Who cares?

Ian..You seem like a hard working chap.  Well done!  I respect your  self discipline.  Remember it is not the entire measure of a man.

Roger..Be glad you have youth on your side to still be able to run up a ladder, and down again, and clean so fast..realise that others could also do that at your age.
Show some respect, remember, "Youth is wasted on the young".  Make the most of it..    It is gone before you realise.


To cut a long story short PJ, would you say that there's one rule for some and a different rule for the rest of us??

groundhog

Re: An time experiment...
« Reply #42 on: August 27, 2006, 12:44:32 am »
No wfp is not quicker on bungalows or most other houses, it is just that so many window cleaners have been brainwashed into thinking that wfp is best. And then they refuse to admit that it is not all it is cracked up to after they have invested thousands of pounds on a system, they are in denial, I should know I was when I first purchased my system.

Sir Squeaky

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Re: An time experiment...
« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2006, 12:52:04 am »
It's Squeaky Mk2!

You speak a lot of sense Groundhog.

You keep telling them!
I know what side my bread's buttered.
Don't need no expensive machine to my job. :)

neil100

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Re: An time experiment...
« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2006, 01:08:26 am »
Groundhog how long did you use wfp before you arrived at the conclusion that you are no faster then Trad?

I take it then you did not earn more money useing wfp rather then Trad.

Nel.

Sir Squeaky

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Re: An time experiment...
« Reply #45 on: August 27, 2006, 01:35:36 am »
But I thought everyone did? ::)

 ;D

Pj

Re: An time experiment...
« Reply #46 on: August 27, 2006, 08:54:39 am »


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To cut a long story short PJ, would you say that there's one rule for some and a different rule for the rest of us??
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Yes definitely, but you know they won't agree!

Ian_Giles

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Re: An time experiment...
« Reply #47 on: August 27, 2006, 09:23:47 am »
Groundhog,

Find a newbie that has just come into trad window cleaning from a sedentary office job, he will be in a world of aches and pains from using a ladder and all of the tools.

Even when I was using ladders all the time, if I had a few 3 storey offices to do, my glutes would be twanging like crazy the following day, and up until 2 and a half years ago I had spent my entire working like up a ladder (I'm 50)
I rarely have any aches as a result of WFP, and I'm also doing lots more high work that before.
The higher you go, the harder it gets, regardless of WFP or trad..
The likes of Squeaky will be faster than me now were I to go back to a ladder, in fact, he was almost certainly quicker than me 2 years ago on normal houses.
But that has a lot to do with ladder speed, not window cleaning technique.

I don't think I have ever carped on about how quickly I can work with trad tools, but I am fast, even on large plate glass where I have to use an extension pole, in fact I'll warrant I'm quicker than most with that method.
But I still use WFP on the majority of my shop fronts, overall it works out quicker, and the 'overall' finish is better.
I wash all of the surrounding frames down, and that is a big plus with WFP.
I have one or two places where the finish would certainly be better if done trad, and a couple more where I squeegee off the glass to ensure I have a job done to the right standard.

To be fast with either method you have to work at at, and that applies equally to the quality of the finish too.
A trad cleaner can fly around a house in no time at all, but the finish will be dire, and the same applies to the WFP user.
It takes time and effort with both methods to be both quick and do a good job.

But once you have that sorted with WFP then you will be quicker than trad and it will take less physical efort to do so, there will be less wear and tear on your body.

Garden gnomes and plant pots getting in the way?
Well assess the job in hand properly and plan your way around it, you can just as easily trip over carrying around your 3 tier ladder fully extended, and your ladder will weigh far, far more than your poles will, and will cause way more damage if you let them go.
below is a shop I did on friday morning, total time taken for the job was 30 minutes, if you think you can get close to this trad then you're having a laugh!
They were having an inspection that day and everything (not just the window cleaning ) had to be perfect, so my work was also checked closely (by them and myself)
Not a spot or a blemish in sight ;)



Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

Ian_Giles

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Re: An time experiment...
« Reply #48 on: August 27, 2006, 09:27:17 am »
big pics, so here are the final two in a sepetate reply.
I started this job a 6:10 in the morning, the date and time of photo's are shown, job was completed, work checked over, tools packed away and then the photo's taken.




Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

Sir Squeaky

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Re: An time experiment...
« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2006, 10:05:06 am »
Don't reckon I'd be that far off. :-\

A few minutes behind maybe, but then no time putting everything away.
Not that I'd bother with stuff that high anyway.(probably)

Who's parked a girly coloured van in front of it? ;D

P®oPole™

  • Posts: 985
Re: An time experiment...
« Reply #50 on: August 27, 2006, 01:38:10 pm »
LOL  ;D ;D ;D, Squeaky you aint got a clue mate, come down to London for a day out with me, I will show you how to clean windows and you will see what the fuss is all about.

Sir Squeaky

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Re: An time experiment...
« Reply #51 on: August 27, 2006, 01:53:44 pm »
LOL  ;D ;D ;D, Squeaky you aint got a clue mate, come down to London for a day out with me, I will show you how to clean windows and you will see what the fuss is all about.
Lol ;D ;D Lol  ;D ;D Lol ;D ;D

Show me how to clean windows.....? ;D

P®oPole™

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Re: An time experiment...
« Reply #52 on: August 27, 2006, 02:28:25 pm »
 :-X :-X :-X ;D ;D ;D

You aint got a clue mate your ignorance wont get you no were in life and in business.

Take a look at this pic, put it this way by the time I've un-tied this pole 30-secs, I've earnt what you have in an hour+ trad, let alone raise and use it.

Also I would like to add that im in my PRIME and i doubt you are a faster trad shiner than me.



JM123

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Re: An time experiment...
« Reply #53 on: August 27, 2006, 03:58:41 pm »
guys I can't believe how long this has gone on for.

Squeeky, I timed myself yesterday - 24secs to get out of car, get pole out of car, connect pole/hose reel and start on the first window (2nd floor), it took me a further 8 mins to do 23 4x3ft panes, wind up, put pole back in car and start car engine - so it took nearly 9 mins, I was going at my all day pace, if you think you can keep up then either you're superman or delusional.
Live life in the fast lane.......if you break down you'll freewheel further

Ballymena N.I

Clear Vision

  • Posts: 1908
Re: An time experiment...
« Reply #54 on: August 27, 2006, 04:06:10 pm »
pro pole,

A few questions for you!


Thats a good pole in the pic!

1. What length Is It and how much does It cost?

2. How can you clean that window In the pic as there are railings around the glass?

No T-shirt on :o Not very profesional. But each to there own!

Cheers

Matthew


Sir Squeaky

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Re: An time experiment...
« Reply #55 on: August 27, 2006, 04:14:11 pm »
:-X :-X :-X ;D ;D ;D

You aint got a clue mate your ignorance wont get you no were in life and in business.

Take a look at this pic, put it this way by the time I've un-tied this pole 30-secs, I've earnt what you have in an hour+ trad, let alone raise and use it.

Also I would like to add that im in my PRIME and i doubt you are a faster trad shiner than me.



Another rip-off wfp'er...... ::)

I ain't got a clue....I like that one. ;D
Speak to a few shop owners around here.....or domestic customers. ;)

P®oPole™

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Re: An time experiment...
« Reply #56 on: August 27, 2006, 04:27:13 pm »
Hi Matthew,

The pole is a 60ft carbon ionics (its not extendedfully) just under a grand.

I clean the windows above the railings only and theres three other standard windows per flat, in the pic im not acually cleaning im starting to move the pole to the next window.

This day was very very hot and this estate is full of young professinals that are never in I also couldnt really care i decide how i work, on commercial I allways wear Hi-vi's and in the city hi-vi's all day commercial and domestic.

Regards
ProPole

Squeaky you took your time to reply, as for a ripp off please refrain from comments like that in future I dont appreciate it. My time experiment shut you up for a couple of hours you didnt no what to say and you come back with that perfetic remark.

You ask my domestic, Retail and Commercial blue chip clients what they think of me, they will tell you were to go, you wouldnt even get past the gates of some of my customers and clients, I regulary brush shoulders with the super rich and famous.

I've seen you price estimate on this forum before and i tell you now round here you wouldnt stand a chance in business with that attituide.

Good Luck to you Roger


Clear Vision

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Re: An time experiment...
« Reply #57 on: August 27, 2006, 04:32:35 pm »
Thanks pro pole for your answer!

Just under a grand :o  Think I will need to up my prices and take on some new customers before I can afford that :'(

Is it heavy when up at that hieght In the pic?

Cheers

Matthew

P®oPole™

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Re: An time experiment...
« Reply #58 on: August 27, 2006, 04:53:23 pm »
yea it is quite heavy but I dont mind getting the big boy out, I know its gonna be a good earner.

This pic was taken in the days before I had my 45ft which makes life alot easier I  have seven poles and each has its own personality, when I get a new pole it takes a while to get used to, only the operator knows how to use the pole to its best ability.

I quite fancy a modula pole, has anyone come back with reviews from the gardiners super-lite yet?


JM123

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Re: An time experiment...
« Reply #59 on: August 27, 2006, 04:57:29 pm »
Wonder if squeeky would climb 60ft on his/or anyones ladders??

Live life in the fast lane.......if you break down you'll freewheel further

Ballymena N.I