[Sir Squeaky]

Hello folks.

The other day (and many other times), it was mentioned by Ian Giles that the average 3 pane window will take about 90 seconds, and how much faster wfp is.
I thought that seemed rather a long time.

I said that I could do most leaded faster than squeegee in most cases (unless they're really greasy).
Again I was told that was rubbish and wfp was 3 times quicker again.

So.....

Today I had a house with 3 pane leadeds, and one next door with squeegee windows, so a test beckoned..... two of each.

The two squeegee windows took 52 seconds and 49 seconds.
The two leaded windows took 45 seconds and 50 seconds.

Success!

The whole houses?

Leaded.......11 minutes,
Squeegee...13 minutes.

Don't start arguing now, just an observation.....

Rog.

[trevor perry]

totally agree squeaky i use a microfibre damp and an almost dry scrim and agree its verry quick . 

[jeff1]

Spot on Rog couldnt agree more

Jeff

[JM123]

so you spent 24 mins doing 2 houses with those windows - wfp you're looking at around 12-15 mins, just an observation!

[trevor perry]

so you spent 24 mins doing 2 houses with those windows - wfp you're looking at around 12-15 mins, just an observation!
yes and twenty minutes setting your pole up and an hour wondering if they will dry allright .

[JM123]

pole takes like 10 secs to get out and set up, how long does it take you to set your ladder against the wall, stabilise it (like you are supposed to) and climb up and down the ladder along with cleaning the window - mate most of us have been trad at some stage, I don't knock trad but there is no way on earth you could ever convince me of trad being quicker or better than wfp.

[jeff evans]

Squeeky,

I use wfp on leaded, and i must confess i find it only marginally quicker than trad, but the big plus for me, it,s  much less hard work, and it,s work i can confidently walk away from without worrying how they will dry.

[Sir Squeaky]

Jeff, you're right, leaded would be less hard work with wfp.
Can't disagree with that.

Quicker in some cases maybe.
But it doesn't take ten seconds to put all your stuff away and drive across the road and take it all out again.

Better?
Never on earth. :

[JM123]

aw come on squeeky, until you have worked with wfp for a week or so you don't really know mate - you may have seen a bad operator work with wfp but trust me if you seen the work we do with wfp then you will change your mind, we do all typesof work, nearly all wfp, better results 95% of the time, faster, safer, less tiring.  Give it a go, keep your g/friend happy in knowing that you're not going to fall off a ladder.

[jeff evans]

 " but It doesnt take ten seconds to put all your stuff away  and drive across the road and take it all out again "

I agree, and if you have a van mount you cant always park near your next job on residential work.

As i have said before wfp is just another tool to be used, excellent anywhere you can get a good run, and far superior on commercial work. I dont have any problem working with trad or wfp, it was still money well spent for me.

[Sir Squeaky]

aw come on squeeky, until you have worked with wfp for a week or so you don't really know mate - you may have seen a bad operator work with wfp but trust me if you seen the work we do with wfp then you will change your mind

I've seen loads of results,and I've had loads of potential customers make sure I don't use it, before asking me.

I've got plenty of ex-wfp jobs.
It doesn't impress me, sorry.

[JM123]

oh I agree that there is a place for trad - we still use it on shop windows etc, but if you're residential then trad can't compete - not in my eyes anyway, suppose if you did have one job here and one over there then trad may be quicker but wouldn't a backpack be much better (cue Tosh).

aw come on squeeky, until you have worked with wfp for a week or so you don't really know mate - you may have seen a bad operator work with wfp but trust me if you seen the work we do with wfp then you will change your mind

I've seen loads of results,and I've had loads of potential customers make sure I don't use it, before asking me.

I've got plenty of ex-wfp jobs.
It doesn't impress me, sorry.

Then you've seen lots of bad jobs by a number of bad wfp'ers, why do you think so many on here have made the switch? 

[windows_chepstow]

I've seen loads of results,and I've had loads of potential customers make sure I don't use it, before asking me.

I've got plenty of ex-wfp jobs.
It doesn't impress me, sorry.

Just to keep this topic balanced, I've had two of Squeakies customers ask ME for quotes; one was a pub and the other was a house in Hardwick Avenue.

Both customers said they didn't like their current window cleaner.

I use a WFP.

[Sir Squeaky]

Then you've seen lots of bad jobs by a number of bad wfp'ers, why do you think so many on here have made the switch? 

Sheep.
Have to have what their mates got. :

It's called keeping up with the Jones's.
Some of us don't fall for it.

If it's good for you, then that's fine.
I just don't like people plugging it all the time when it's often off-topic.

[Sir Squeaky]

Both customers said they didn't like their current window cleaner.

rubbish Tosh.

The pub didn't say that at all.
You would have told me at the time.
Not only that, but I did an A1 job, and he was so pleased he called his missus out to have a look.

So no, that's just a dig.
As for some miserable old bag, you're welcome to do it and get dropped too when you can't reach half the windows and she realises she was better off before.

I don't need customers like that anyway.

[windows_chepstow]

Both customers said they didn't like their current window cleaner.

I don't need customers like that anyway.

Arrrhhhh... It's not fair!

But I speak the truth.

[Sir Squeaky]

I should have known this would head in the Wfp vs Trad direction...

All I was saying is that leaded needn't be any slower than normal panes, and in my case often quicker.

[pjulk]

How do you do leaded quicker than a normal window.
I find they take me twice as long using 1 damp and 1 dry cloth.

I must be doing something wrong.

Paul

[Clear Vision]

Sam here paul!

Squeaky, get your video camera out and put your money where your mouth Is!!

Proof Is In the pudding!

I started off trad and still do a lot the trad way but no way on earth Is trad faster than wfp. Just no way. Sorry.

Oh, The only time trad might be quicker than wfp is on a wfp first clean.

[neil100]

Calm down Chaps.

Lets not forget each to is own. I was having dinner today with two other wc. We were commenting on how glad we all are that were wfp. We earn top money for little risk to ourselves.

If squeaks enjoys trad, keep climbing those ladders my boy a dont let anyone tell you diffrent. Their is an easier and safer way to clean an upstairs window, but if your not intrested I will not try to persuade you.

We sat and watched another couple of w/c clean a house the trad way. We were laughing our socks off. I tell you wfp looks so much more proffesional.

Nel.