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Klean07

  • Posts: 3261
Which system have you got?
« on: Yesterday at 09:52:48 am »
My last three  van mounted systems have been bought and fitted  from The Cleaning Warehouse which is local to me. I've had no problems with their systems but as I'm about to change my van for a much newer one I'm just wondering if there are better systems similar price out there. I have the ro 4040 di with fixed hose reel though would probably upgrade to electric next time.
kkleanwindowcleaning.co.uk

NBwcs

  • Posts: 1042
Re: Which system have you got?
« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 11:17:58 am »
I'm presuming you don't have access to a garage/shed space so can't have a DIY setup?  As far as I'm concerned, if you have the DIY option, it's cheaper, and can be totally set up to suit your own needs/convenience, a far better option imho.

dd

  • Posts: 2664
Re: Which system have you got?
« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 11:34:54 am »
I think most, me included, use a static set up usually in a garage and have a delivery only system fitted to the van.

My system is 20 years old (same as van) and the guy who fitted it is no longer in business.

For a new system I would look at Pure2o (budget version of Ionics), but if you are happy with The Cleaning Warehouse, I would just stick with them.

Jay Le Huray

  • Posts: 708
Re: Which system have you got?
« Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 01:44:29 pm »
always been DIY for me as it's so much cheaper

Stoots

  • Posts: 6438
Re: Which system have you got?
« Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 02:33:51 pm »
Always makes me laugh when people say system, its a battery a pump, and a controller slapped on a tank. 

That`ll be 3 grand please sir....

If you want  to pay an extra 2 grand they will happily slap an ro/di/b2b on there for you

get your pants down ready  ;D


Roy Harding

  • Posts: 1990
Re: Which system have you got?
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 03:17:14 pm »
I have had several diy systems that I have made. Then I bought a brand new transporter 4 motion.
I had fitted a Gripatank 650 with 2 x 21"x 4" Ro. It was expensive, but I was concerned with the cost of the new van, I wanted a crash tested system with engineers certificate of fitting. The main reason was I wanted to know the insurance, if I had a prang could not say it was not fitted properly.

Does it work any better no.

If I had another new van I would do the same.

Klean07

  • Posts: 3261
Re: Which system have you got?
« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 03:37:17 pm »
D.I.Y sounds great in fact on my first system that's exactly what I did it was delivered on a pallet. I remember getting my local garage to bolt the tank frame to the floor which they did with spreader plates on my old Ford Connect. TCW fits for free if you have a system off them but as I'm looking for a flat lay tank this time around I'm going to have to look elsewhere because they only sell upright versions.
I was led to believe that if your tank wasn't professionally fitted then your insurance would be void. I've just renewed my insurance with Howden who I've been with for a while at a cost of only £360. Very cheap I thought.
kkleanwindowcleaning.co.uk

AuRavelling79

  • Posts: 26999
Re: Which system have you got?
« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 03:39:35 pm »
I have had several diy systems that I have made. Then I bought a brand new transporter 4 motion.
I had fitted a Gripatank 650 with 2 x 21"x 4" Ro. It was expensive, but I was concerned with the cost of the new van, I wanted a crash tested system with engineers certificate of fitting. The main reason was I wanted to know the insurance, if I had a prang could not say it was not fitted properly.

Does it work any better no.

If I had another new van I would do the same.

I never knew you were so flash Roy!

 ;D ;D ;D

It's a game of three halves!

AuRavelling79

  • Posts: 26999
Re: Which system have you got?
« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 03:43:54 pm »
D.I.Y sounds great in fact on my first system that's exactly what I did it was delivered on a pallet. I remember getting my local garage to bolt the tank frame to the floor which they did with spreader plates on my old Ford Connect. TCW fits for free if you have a system off them but as I'm looking for a flat lay tank this time around I'm going to have to look elsewhere because they only sell upright versions.
I was led to believe that if your tank wasn't professionally fitted then your insurance would be void. I've just renewed my insurance with Howden who I've been with for a while at a cost of only £360. Very cheap I thought.

I always declare my tank is DiY bolted through the floor. Never had a problem with insurance.

No issues paying out after my significant prang of 2023.

No problem getting insurance afterwards.
It's a game of three halves!

Splash and dash

  • Posts: 466
Re: Which system have you got?
« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 04:14:25 pm »
D.I.Y sounds great in fact on my first system that's exactly what I did it was delivered on a pallet. I remember getting my local garage to bolt the tank frame to the floor which they did with spreader plates on my old Ford Connect. TCW fits for free if you have a system off them but as I'm looking for a flat lay tank this time around I'm going to have to look elsewhere because they only sell upright versions.
I was led to believe that if your tank wasn't professionally fitted then your insurance would be void. I've just renewed my insurance with Howden who I've been with for a while at a cost of only £360. Very cheap I thought.

I always declare my tank is DiY bolted through the floor. Never had a problem with insurance.

No issues paying out after my significant prang of 2023.

No problem getting insurance afterwards.


Some insurance companies ask who fitted the system , some want a written certificate stating it’s professionally fitted , others don’t ask for anything

cgh window cleaning

  • Posts: 563
Re: Which system have you got?
« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 06:08:55 pm »
Always makes me laugh when people say system, its a battery a pump, and a controller slapped on a tank. 

That`ll be 3 grand please sir....

If you want  to pay an extra 2 grand they will happily slap an ro/di/b2b on there for you

get your pants down ready  ;







Every one’s different sometimes people aren’t confident to fit a tank ,wire in a split relay etc  remove a fuel tank if needed and then it can come down to time drop a van of and pick it up 6 hours later all done.

And what are they called if there’re not called a water fed pole system


dazmond

  • Posts: 24655
Re: Which system have you got?
« Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 07:15:58 pm »
Professional fit every time esp if you want a diesel hot system. Get it fitted into a brand new van if you plan on window cleaning for many years to come.

Nothing worse than messing about every few years switching systems from van to van.
price higher/work harder!

colin bird

  • Posts: 1276
Re: Which system have you got?
« Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 07:55:02 pm »
I’ve had four pure freedom 40 inch ro van mounted systems over 17 years never had any problems ,but I think there more expensive now than they used to be due to the business take over a couple of years ago

windowswashed

  • Posts: 2657
Re: Which system have you got?
« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 08:18:30 pm »
I notice the adverts for new tank systems and the prices they are demanding and laugh at what is often a common thin baffled plastic tank fitted with a few pre cut and folded sheets of thin mild steel with a logo or two on and think to myself I'm in the wrong business.

What's with powder coated steel frames, they rust from the inside out and weaken the frame that holds the tank or ground mounted system that is bolted through the floor once the powder coating is damaged and the mild steel is exposed to air. I have experience in powder coating steel from previous employment in the fishing industry. Talk about safety, what a joke using powder coated frames because of economics.

I have an Ionics crash tested tank inside a stainless steel frame which I bough secondhand and fitted myself being an ex coded welder and fabricator so I know it is truly safe one hundred percent and will last my working lifetime.

Good to see a local wfp supplier is introducing Kevlar based base pole sections instead of fibreglass base sections regarding electrical conductivity.

֍Winp®oClean֍

  • Posts: 1786
Re: Which system have you got?
« Reply #14 on: Yesterday at 09:35:03 pm »
D.I.Y sounds great in fact on my first system that's exactly what I did it was delivered on a pallet. I remember getting my local garage to bolt the tank frame to the floor which they did with spreader plates on my old Ford Connect. TCW fits for free if you have a system off them but as I'm looking for a flat lay tank this time around I'm going to have to look elsewhere because they only sell upright versions.
I was led to believe that if your tank wasn't professionally fitted then your insurance would be void. I've just renewed my insurance with Howden who I've been with for a while at a cost of only £360. Very cheap I thought.

I renewed mine last month- £91.30 for 12 months fully comp! 😀
Comfortably Numb!

Stoots

  • Posts: 6438
Re: Which system have you got?
« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 09:41:00 pm »
Always makes me laugh when people say system, its a battery a pump, and a controller slapped on a tank. 

That`ll be 3 grand please sir....

If you want  to pay an extra 2 grand they will happily slap an ro/di/b2b on there for you

get your pants down ready  ;







Every one’s different sometimes people aren’t confident to fit a tank ,wire in a split relay etc  remove a fuel tank if needed and then it can come down to time drop a van of and pick it up 6 hours later all done.

And what are they called if there’re not called a water fed pole system

A day off work to fit it plus cost of fitting it plus cost of "system".

Vs

Buying  a tank new or second hand, buying or making a frame, getting a battery, split relay, Pump etc and spending a Sunday putting it in. You'll save time and at least a couple of grand and you will get to use tools and do man things. Whats not to like.

Splash and dash

  • Posts: 466
Re: Which system have you got?
« Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 09:41:50 pm »
D.I.Y sounds great in fact on my first system that's exactly what I did it was delivered on a pallet. I remember getting my local garage to bolt the tank frame to the floor which they did with spreader plates on my old Ford Connect. TCW fits for free if you have a system off them but as I'm looking for a flat lay tank this time around I'm going to have to look elsewhere because they only sell upright versions.
I was led to believe that if your tank wasn't professionally fitted then your insurance would be void. I've just renewed my insurance with Howden who I've been with for a while at a cost of only £360. Very cheap I thought.

I renewed mine last month- £91.30 for 12 months fully comp! 😀


What van have you got ? Can’t understand why it’s so cheap , what’s the  excess ?

Stoots

  • Posts: 6438
Re: Which system have you got?
« Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 09:44:54 pm »
I notice the adverts for new tank systems and the prices they are demanding and laugh at what is often a common thin baffled plastic tank fitted with a few pre cut and folded sheets of thin mild steel with a logo or two on and think to myself I'm in the wrong business.

What's with powder coated steel frames, they rust from the inside out and weaken the frame that holds the tank or ground mounted system that is bolted through the floor once the powder coating is damaged and the mild steel is exposed to air. I have experience in powder coating steel from previous employment in the fishing industry. Talk about safety, what a joke using powder coated frames because of economics.

I have an Ionics crash tested tank inside a stainless steel frame which I bough secondhand and fitted myself being an ex coded welder and fabricator so I know it is truly safe one hundred percent and will last my working lifetime.

Good to see a local wfp supplier is introducing Kevlar based base pole sections instead of fibreglass base sections regarding electrical conductivity.

Better off priming and painting a mild steel frame. Its easy enough to rub down and repaint. Plastic coated frames once they fail look a mess and you have to strip it all off to re coat it. To be fair it will take a hell of a long time to rot out 3 or 4mm steel but its just looks crap

AuRavelling79

  • Posts: 26999
Re: Which system have you got?
« Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 10:06:17 pm »
D.I.Y sounds great in fact on my first system that's exactly what I did it was delivered on a pallet. I remember getting my local garage to bolt the tank frame to the floor which they did with spreader plates on my old Ford Connect. TCW fits for free if you have a system off them but as I'm looking for a flat lay tank this time around I'm going to have to look elsewhere because they only sell upright versions.
I was led to believe that if your tank wasn't professionally fitted then your insurance would be void. I've just renewed my insurance with Howden who I've been with for a while at a cost of only £360. Very cheap I thought.

I always declare my tank is DiY bolted through the floor. Never had a problem with insurance.

No issues paying out after my significant prang of 2023.

No problem getting insurance afterwards.


Some insurance companies ask who fitted the system , some want a written certificate stating it’s professionally fitted , others don’t ask for anything

I tell them I fitted it. Had a frame made by a welder.

If a company doesn't want to quote I find one that will.

Simples.  ;D
It's a game of three halves!

dazmond

  • Posts: 24655
Re: Which system have you got?
« Reply #19 on: Today at 08:14:58 am »
I’ve had four pure freedom 40 inch ro van mounted systems over 17 years never had any problems ,but I think there more expensive now than they used to be due to the business take over a couple of years ago



Ive found its better for me to just get one system fitted into a new van and keep it well maintained for 10-15 years before getting a new van and system.

I only use my van for work though. If it was my only vehicle I'd be changing it more frequently most probably.
price higher/work harder!