[The Jester of Wibbly]

Anyone have any experience with them?   I think EV's will work really well for our start stop town driving habbits.

So which vans have you got and how are they doing ?   

I am thinking of buying one.

Also this may destroy the diesel hot water heater markets.

[DJW]

Price? Cage mounting? Payload?

Just use a separate tank of diesel.

[NWH]

The range is awful on most you have to choose between being cold in winter and hot in summer as air-con and heating steal the miles I’ve been told by an owner.
If most people went EV Hot water system suppliers would just incorporate a tank within the unit I’m sure,it would make the unit have a larger footprint but would easily be doable.

[DJW]

42,000 for the cheapest Proace electric.

[The Jester of Wibbly]

Blimey, 100 mile range on a good day.  50 on a bad winters day.

And by 2030 we are all expected to be driving them.

Watch the city congestion and ULEZ charges grow and areas expanded.   Then the road tax and diesel tax will hike up to push folk to EV.   

[NWH]

That was the best van out of all the reviews I watched a plumber used one daily from Kent to central London,I think he got 160 on full charge but he was given it to use in that hot summer a couple of years ago he had to be careful with the air-con etc.

[NWH]

They are trying to get the deadline put back due to lack of charging points.

[Spruce]

Anyone have any experience with them?   I think EV's will work really well for our start stop town driving habbits.

So which vans have you got and how are they doing ?   

I am thinking of buying one.

Also this may destroy the diesel hot water heater markets.

Just putting in a separate diesel tank will solve that issue.

With the price of electricity and forecast charging increases (e.g. charge point at home on a separate smart meter), it might work out cheaper to buy a diesel van and pay the daily emission zone charges. 

[windowswashed]

I really hope hydrogen does do Ev's what VHS done to Betamax which came out first.

Ev's have been around for over a hundred years. The reasons they failed the first time was a lack of infrastructure and pricing.

[EandM]

I really hope hydrogen does do Ev's what VHS done to Betamax which came out first.

Ev's have been around for over a hundred years. The reasons they failed the first time was a lack of infrastructure and pricing.

Ev's have been around for nearly 200 years (1830) and at the turn of the 20th century there were more Ev's in use than internal combustion engines.
Even Harrods had an all-electric delivery fleet.

If they can find a way to produce hydrogen that isn't 6-8 times less efficient than just charging a battery then they're onto a winner. I really hope they can, especially as it's the only viable alternative to a Ev HGV.

[NWH]

Whatever they produce they’ll be a Tax on it and eventually it’ll be more or just as expensive to run EV.

[AuRavelling79]

I really hope hydrogen does do Ev's what VHS done to Betamax which came out first.

Ev's have been around for over a hundred years. The reasons they failed the first time was a lack of infrastructure and pricing.

Ev's have been around for nearly 200 years (1830) and at the turn of the 20th century there were more Ev's in use than internal combustion engines.
Even Harrods had an all-electric delivery fleet.

If they can find a way to produce hydrogen that isn't 6-8 times less efficient than just charging a battery then they're onto a winner. I really hope they can, especially as it's the only viable alternative to a Ev HGV.

It was the cheapness of oil wot dun in the early EV's. And relatively cheap petrol engines. And the cost size and weight of early batteries.

The early steam wagons were the cheapest engine but like the battery on an EV, the weight of the fuel (coal) and of course having to feed it into the firebox meant they died out in the 1920's.

[Steven Biggs]

You been up to the railway museum in york , gold . ? We went over Christmas. That place would be right up your street , really impressive. Some of those engines are like rockets . And it’s free in . 😁good for a Yorkshire lad .

[deeege]

I wouldn’t have an electric van if they were the same price as a diesel, never mind paying £40k+ for one. The poor range would make it a nightmare.

[DJW]

I’m wondering what’s going to happen in seven years time, will petrol and diesel vehicles be worthless when they are no longer produced or will there be a high demand for them when electric takes over?

[Jay Le Huray]

No EV for me EVER

[NWH]

I’m wondering what’s going to happen in seven years time, will petrol and diesel vehicles be worthless when they are no longer produced or will there be a high demand for them when electric takes over?

It won’t happen with the price of electric and lack of charging points it’s a joke,you need to live off road to be able to charge overnight and can you imagine what’ll happen in inner cities with charging cables hanging out or cars and vans with all the idiots-vandalism about with knives they’ll be chopping em in half just for fun.

[Small but perfectley formed]

If the WEF get their way you won’t own a vehicle .
15 minute city’s we all be pulling a cart😂😂😂😂

[Splash & dash]

Anyone have any experience with them?   I think EV's will work really well for our start stop town driving habbits.

So which vans have you got and how are they doing ?   

I am thinking of buying one.

Also this may destroy the diesel hot water heater markets.

Just putting in a separate diesel tank will solve that issue.

With the price of electricity and forecast charging increases (e.g. charge point at home on a separate smart meter), it might work out cheaper to buy a diesel van and pay the daily emission zone charges. 

Talking to a customer the other day he said to put a charging point into a house costs  £1,500  he has one of the latest Land Rover  discovery things the charger looks a real complicated thing with digital display screen  and if the reliability is like Land Rover it will constantly be going wrong. 😂😂

[Splash & dash]

I’m wondering what’s going to happen in seven years time, will petrol and diesel vehicles be worthless when they are no longer produced or will there be a high demand for them when electric takes over?

This is the million dollar question, no one knows

[Drake]

The prices are insane when you compare it to any diesel van.
People will literally have to remortgage to work.
Beyond my finance's for the long term

[NWH]

Anyone have any experience with them?   I think EV's will work really well for our start stop town driving habbits.

So which vans have you got and how are they doing ?   

I am thinking of buying one.

Also this may destroy the diesel hot water heater markets.

Just putting in a separate diesel tank will solve that issue.

With the price of electricity and forecast charging increases (e.g. charge point at home on a separate smart meter), it might work out cheaper to buy a diesel van and pay the daily emission zone charges. 

Talking to a customer the other day he said to put a charging point into a house costs  £1,500  he has one of the latest Land Rover  discovery things the charger looks a real complicated thing with digital display screen  and if the reliability is like Land Rover it will constantly be going wrong. 😂😂

If you are serious when negotiating for one of those vehicles they’ll throw that installation in for free trust me from new.

[windowswashed]

Second hand petrol cars will be in demand when EV's only are being sold. EV's are not practical to own for most working class without a drive or off road parking very close by.

There will be a huge rise in the theft of the EV charge leads as they are worth a few bob and it is a crime on the increase already.

The average life of a EV battery is 8-10 years. 2000 cycles of the battery at 80 percent, 1500 cycles at 60percent. After that, they are pretty much  useless. Cost of replacing battery pack just  too much compared to the second hand value of the car, so much depreciation compared to an ICE vehicle.

Too few qualified mechanics to service EV's.

Over inflated mileage claims for EV's by approximately 33 percent.

Useless in the winter like heat pumps being forced upon is if the government get their way.

Too few charging points, especially in rural locations.

Alternative is to buy a 40+ year old classic and run it free of ULEZ, tax and MOT.

Car forecourts don't like taking second hand EV's in part exchange because of huge quotas to sell new EV's set by Europe.

LGV fully laden is pretty much useless in the real world

[Spruce]

Second hand petrol cars will be in demand when EV's only are being sold. EV's are not practical to own for most working class without a drive or off road parking very close by.

There will be a huge rise in the theft of the EV charge leads as they are worth a few bob and it is a crime on the increase already.

The average life of a EV battery is 8-10 years. 2000 cycles of the battery at 80 percent, 1500 cycles at 60percent. After that, they are pretty much  useless. Cost of replacing battery pack just  too much compared to the second hand value of the car, so much depreciation compared to an ICE vehicle.

Too few qualified mechanics to service EV's.

Over inflated mileage claims for EV's by approximately 33 percent.

Useless in the winter like heat pumps being forced upon is if the government get their way.

Too few charging points, especially in rural locations.

Alternative is to buy a 40+ year old classic and run it free of ULEZ, tax and MOT.

Car forecourts don't like taking second hand EV's in part exchange because of huge quotas to sell new EV's set by Europe.

LGV fully laden is pretty much useless in the real world

Agree ^^^^

It will take a few years for the EV con to sink in. It's already started to sink in with commercial users with regard to benefit in kind taxing and recharging costs. I doubt the likes of Volvo will do away with their engine division. Moth ball it for a future change of heart I reckon.

[Splash & dash]

Anyone have any experience with them?   I think EV's will work really well for our start stop town driving habbits.

So which vans have you got and how are they doing ?   

I am thinking of buying one.

Also this may destroy the diesel hot water heater markets.

Just putting in a separate diesel tank will solve that issue.

With the price of electricity and forecast charging increases (e.g. charge point at home on a separate smart meter), it might work out cheaper to buy a diesel van and pay the daily emission zone charges. 

Talking to a customer the other day he said to put a charging point into a house costs  £1,500  he has one of the latest Land Rover  discovery things the charger looks a real complicated thing with digital display screen  and if the reliability is like Land Rover it will constantly be going wrong. 😂😂

If you are serious when negotiating for one of those vehicles they’ll throw that installation in for free trust me from new.

The first point is included in the price of the car all additional points are chargeable at £1,500 per point , it’s not free they just hide the cost in the car price and tell you it’s free .

[dazmond]

I'm gonna buy a brand new diesel van in 2029 and get a diesel heater installed which will last me at least 15 years.by 2044 there will be much cheaper electric vans and the infrastructure to charge them up...

[the king]

If they ban diesel vans I’ll retire and get a regular job 80 miles per charge in summer 40 in winter sod that 

[DJW]

I'm gonna buy a brand new diesel van in 2029 and get a diesel heater installed which will last me at least 15 years.by 2044 there will be much cheaper electric vans and the infrastructure to charge them up...

Wouldn’t leave it too long. New vans are as rare as rockinghorse poo at the moment. Citroen lead times at my local garage are a minimum of eighteen months. There is no stock. You can’t buy a Proace on Toyotas website either. They have withdrawn the option as they can’t get them. I managed to find a Proace City pre- registered but had to pay a fortune for it. Dealers know there is nothing about and hike the prices.

[deeege]

I'm gonna buy a brand new diesel van in 2029 and get a diesel heater installed which will last me at least 15 years.by 2044 there will be much cheaper electric vans and the infrastructure to charge them up...

Wouldn’t leave it too long. New vans are as rare as rockinghorse poo at the moment. Citroen lead times at my local garage are a minimum of eighteen months. There is no stock. You can’t buy a Proace on Toyotas website either. They have withdrawn the option as they can’t get them. I managed to find a Proace City pre- registered but had to pay a fortune for it. Dealers know there is nothing about and hike the prices.

Plenty of 12-18 month old Berlingos around with low mileage. I’ve just bought one, still pricey but considerably cheaper than brand new. That first 18 months is when they depreciate in value the most.

[Ggh]

Last time I looked, it was going to take nearly 3 days to get 3.5t van to Newcastle.
Not really an option!

[Bungle]

A friend of mine is thinking about buying a Renault Twizzy. 69 plate, 8k to commute to work. Reckons it'll cost him £1 a week to get to and from work mon to fri. He already has a car. By the time he saves the 8k in fuel the car will be useless anyway. I think he's mad.

[PHILIP HARDY]

Reading between the lines on this thread the date for electrifying comercials will be pushed back after 2030.If no manfactures have any available (or very few), it looks to me like they will have the inside track on development timescales!!

[Bungle]

A friend of mine is thinking about buying a Renault Twizzy. 69 plate, 8k to commute to work. Reckons it'll cost him £1 a week to get to and from work mon to fri. He already has a car. By the time he saves the 8k in fuel the car will be useless anyway. I think he's mad.

He's only gone and bought it! Nutter.

[AuRavelling79]

You been up to the railway museum in york , gold . ? We went over Christmas. That place would be right up your street , really impressive. Some of those engines are like rockets . And it’s free in . 😁good for a Yorkshire lad .

Yes. Also the one in Durham and the one in Swindon.

[Steven Biggs]

Alright , big head . 😁

[DJW]

He’s gone off the rails.

[AuRavelling79]

He’s gone off the rails.

York does have a great aircraft museum too.

[Walter Mitty]

Petrol engines in the 1920s, and more recently, weren't particularly reliable. Places to fill with fuel weren't so plentiful either. Might we currently be in the equivalent of the 1920s regarding EVs? We have the technological nous these days to work through it more quickly.

[NWH]

They better get going then.

[Steve Weatherley]

I looked at the nissan nv200e electric can 2 years ago. I actually agree with you for wanting one and thinking it is good for the environment with all the stop starts.
The thing that put me off was that the battery is under the loadspace..... so under the water tank. So to have a crash tested system with a 500 litre tank wasn't an option at the time as the bolts that hold the tank to the chassis would be obstructed by the battery.
Ignore many of the above comments by those who think they know all about this subject based on comments like ' my mate said' etc. Maybe in the last 2 years things have moved on. Also as an owner of an electric car with genuine expreience the cost for a home charger is between 500 and 1000..... not 1500 as previously quoted.
My round being quite compact would mean I would charge the van every 2 days and the price of electric compared to diesel currently is between 30 to 50 percent...... so still offers good cost savings.
The main drawback is the cost of the vehicle. I hope you find this information useful as opposed to some of the crap written before

[Splash & dash]

I looked at the nissan nv200e electric can 2 years ago. I actually agree with you for wanting one and thinking it is good for the environment with all the stop starts.
The thing that put me off was that the battery is under the loadspace..... so under the water tank. So to have a crash tested system with a 500 litre tank wasn't an option at the time as the bolts that hold the tank to the chassis would be obstructed by the battery.
Ignore many of the above comments by those who think they know all about this subject based on comments like ' my mate said' etc. Maybe in the last 2 years things have moved on. Also as an owner of an electric car with genuine expreience the cost for a home charger is between 500 and 1000..... not 1500 as previously quoted.
My round being quite compact would mean I would charge the van every 2 days and the price of electric compared to diesel currently is between 30 to 50 percent...... so still offers good cost savings.
The main drawback is the cost of the vehicle. I hope you find this information useful as opposed to some of the crap written before

The cost of a home charger for a Land Rover discovery is £1500  I have seen the invoice for it myself  as it’s a family friend who owns it it’s like a computer  touch screen , and Land Rover said  the price is being subsidised by them at the moment to encourage sales , other makes hide the cost of the charger in the car price how do I know this my local Audi dealer  ,and BMW   Both admitted this when speaking to them and test driving  their cars .

[Ched]

Just so people know you don't have to have the manufacturers ev charger. There lots of third party chargers for sale that are compatible and don't invalidate ev manufacturers warranty.

A type 2 charger it's self start at £300 plus fitting.

Some of the 3rd party ones are capable of 'talking' to solar systems to charge from roof solar panels when you are producing excess, if you have a solar system.

[NWH]

I was talking to a solar system the other day and it said don’t bother with an EV van lol.

[M.c.s]

I have an electric env200
I will never go back perfect van for me