[Stoots]

So chaps i need to do something about my body 

Not sure where to go to sort myself out, im assuming see a physio but wanted some advice from anyone who has seeked help with aches and pains. Would normally go to my GP but even getting through on the phone is impossible these days.

I have trigger finger in my right ring finger first thing on a morning, I get occassional carpel tunnel like shooting pain in the outside of my left wrist.

My right shoulder has just started playing up, a few times ive woken with my arm above my head and its locked solid, it really hurts to put my arm back in position like a locked jaw lol. I cant seem to replicate it during the day.

On top of that my hands ache from gripping the pole. It doesnt go away even with a few days rest they just ache constantly. Then i get all the usual aches and pains in my neck and muscles etc.

of course im assuming all this is from working

In general i just feel battered all the time, just turned 40 and im not liking where this is going. ...

Not sure where to go for help really

[mac74]

Yea i know what you mean, ive got tennis elbow at the moment, using voltarol joint pain relief 2.32% gel diclofenac (strong version)  on it, but i may have to get the injection if it gets any worse.
I also take Osteocare calcium bone tabs daily, and cant recommend them enough, if i dont take them i know about it.

[Stoots]

Just popped some ibuprofen 

not really a long term solution

[Bungle]

 

Just popped some ibuprofen 

not really a long term solution

Imagine what your aches and pains would be like if you were a proper window cleaner working off a ladder 

[KS Cleaning]

Just popped some ibuprofen 

not really a long term solution

Imagine what your aches and pains would be like if you were a proper window cleaner working off a ladder 

[NBwcs]

Your no age Stoots, i strongly advise you persevere with  getting a GP appointment just to rule out anything nasty then go from there.

[Stoots]

Just popped some ibuprofen 

not really a long term solution

Imagine what your aches and pains would be like if you were a proper window cleaner working off a ladder 

A lot less i imagine, i might switch

[dazmond]

Book an appointment with a physiotherapist...I had a chap sort my back out a few years ago,he gave me acupuncture too..cost me £35!he was done and dusted after 45 mins...and my back has been great ever since....

[deeege]

You really shouldn’t be falling to pieces like that at 40. What’s your diet, exercise and lifestyle like generally?

[Ggh]

Once you hit 40, you’re knackered, if you’ve had a hard life that is.
Get ped every night and see if that helps?

[High-Tower]

Highly recommend seeing a physio. I suffer the same locked shoulders as you describe, had a physio set me up with some exercises to improve mobility and it makes a huge difference.

[jonny thompson]

I always get carpel tunnel in the winter, bad pain going up my arms and elbow, it’s definitely from wearing thick gloves, they stretch your fingers out and tense your forearms , if I don’t use gloves for a weak the pain goes

[zesty]

Wfp in my experience is harder on the body than trad, Trad is light work, yes you have to climb ladders, but it’s only your own body weight.

Wfp takes its toll if you do too many hours, how many hours you doing a day?

Sometimes it’s just genetics mate!

[dd]

I find yoga helps.

Also being aware of what you are doing and how you are using your body during your working day, e.g. how tightly you grip your pole, can help make adjustments to your technique to reduce strain.

[Stoots]

Booked a physio session for Saturday so will see how that goes.

Probably just working too hard and trying to do too much. 80 first cleans in last 2 weeks probably hasn't helped 😅

[Gringo]

Think your over doing it, with those first cleans did you say your bashing your work out in 3 days before Xmas, you need regular breaks as you get older ie 30 mins for dinner , just for a rest in shoulders muscles etc especially when your at it full pelt,

[Gringo]

Physio defo help, been with shoulder issue and tennis elbow last year, it's the repetitive nature of job and getting older

[colin bird]

wow sorry to hear that mate,im 60 and will need a hip replacement at some point,i also limp about with a bad ankle due to playing football and being agressive whilst playing,but other than that i can put a shift in no ladders or steps for me.
im going to be brutal and say if your struggling at 40 you wont be able to carry on much longer,really sorry to say that but i think thats how it is for you mate .
you can get treatment massage etc,that may give you a bit of time,but listen to your body,i thinks its saying were done with window cleaning.
good luck

[*Derek*]

Im also 40 well nearly. Had tennis elbow in both arms in the last year. Neck & shoulders are always stiff and sore. My ankle has been at me now with a few months. Physio has put it down to just being on feet all day. I get massages regularly enough. My diet is decent and not overweight. This job is tough.

[Stoots]

Booked physio for Saturday, they do massages as well so will see what they recommend.

I guess if I can't sort it I'll have to cut back or employ someone to ease the load.

I generally do 25 to 30 houses a day and rush about like a blue bottomed fly  Maybe it's caught up with me, been doing this 7 years now.

[deeege]

How many hours a day do you work to clean those 25/30 houses?

Sound like you are seriously overdoing it to me, that’s not sustainable once you are getting into your 40’s.

[zesty]

How many hours a day do you work to clean those 25/30 houses?

Sound like you are seriously overdoing it to me, that’s not sustainable once you are getting into your 40’s.

That is a mad amount if houses for one man, not sustainable at all, huge repetitive strain and wear on the body.

I average 4-5 hours a day, and 10-15 houses.

That’s the balance I’ve chosen to look after the joints and muscles.

The long game is arguably more important than the here and now.

[SB Cleaning]

I have never done 25-30 houses in a day, what are they compact 1 beds 

And sorry to say but if your body is like this after 7 years wfp and age 40 your not gonna last long...

I'm 45 been doing wfp 12 years i get the odd bit of tennis elbow once every few years but other than that im OK, ( I think )

[Tom-01]

40 isn’t that old (that’s what I tell myself now I’m 40!) - but it’s definitely noticeable how physical work gets a bit harder. I don’t do nearly as much physical work now as I used to.

Maybe get someone to work with you, that will help.

Also I would highly recommend reformer Pilates, if done at least once a week you will notice the difference. Regular exercise and strength work at the gym would be great for you too.

[Stoots]

How many hours a day do you work to clean those 25/30 houses?

Sound like you are seriously overdoing it to me, that’s not sustainable once you are getting into your 40’s.

About 6/7 hours . 15 mins for lunch then none stop action 

Don't really think much of it, its's 10am now and I've already done 10.

I did 28 yesterday but that included 5 first cleans.

Today I've given myself a lighter one 23 jobs Inc 4 first cleans. 

[Stoots]

I have never done 25-30 houses in a day, what are they compact 1 beds 

And sorry to say but if your body is like this after 7 years wfp and age 40 your not gonna last long...

I'm 45 been doing wfp 12 years i get the odd bit of tennis elbow once every few years but other than that im OK, ( I think )

Generally a mix 3 bed semis, some 4 bed detached with connys, couple of terraced and the odd front.

Nothing that compact, most of my work is one job and move the van but I'm never much more than a minute or 2 drive from another job either .

[Stoots]

How many hours a day do you work to clean those 25/30 houses?

Sound like you are seriously overdoing it to me, that’s not sustainable once you are getting into your 40’s.

That is a mad amount if houses for one man, not sustainable at all, huge repetitive strain and wear on the body.

I average 4-5 hours a day, and 10-15 houses.

That’s the balance I’ve chosen to look after the joints and muscles.

The long game is arguably more important than the here and now.

If I only did 10 or 15 houses I'd only make about 150 quid a day. Not enough for me

[Jonny 87]

I regularly do 30 houses a day, I like working at a brisk pace, I’m not running around like a headless chicken though.

I’m similar in that if I only did 10-15 houses I’d have to double my prices, and only work mornings. Sounds pretty good mind you. 

I’m 34 and physically feel great at work, I’d recommend seeing a physio and they will no doubt give you some light resistance training to build up weak muscles that are causing an imbalance.

Although people seem to say window cleaning is tough on the body and if you work at that pace for too long you will fall apart, I don’t agree.

Use the best equipment out there, and look after yourself.

[Bungle]

How many hours a day do you work to clean those 25/30 houses?

Sound like you are seriously overdoing it to me, that’s not sustainable once you are getting into your 40’s.

About 6/7 hours . 15 mins for lunch then none stop action 

Don't really think much of it, its's 10am now and I've already done 10.

I did 28 yesterday but that included 5 first cleans.

Today I've given myself a lighter one 23 jobs Inc 4 first cleans.

What's your retention rate? I'd guess it's not that good?

[Bungle]

I have never done 25-30 houses in a day, what are they compact 1 beds 

And sorry to say but if your body is like this after 7 years wfp and age 40 your not gonna last long...

I'm 45 been doing wfp 12 years i get the odd bit of tennis elbow once every few years but other than that im OK, ( I think )

45? Have you had a hard life Shaun? 

[Stoots]

How many hours a day do you work to clean those 25/30 houses?

Sound like you are seriously overdoing it to me, that’s not sustainable once you are getting into your 40’s.

About 6/7 hours . 15 mins for lunch then none stop action 

Don't really think much of it, its's 10am now and I've already done 10.

I did 28 yesterday but that included 5 first cleans.

Today I've given myself a lighter one 23 jobs Inc 4 first cleans.

What's your retention rate? I'd guess it's not that good?

I lose maybe 2/3 established customers a year through moving usually. I'd say its very good. Retention rate on first cleans is not as good but that's to be expected lots of messers out there.

If you are suggesting I don't do a good job then you are barking up the wrong tree  if I was getting loads of complaints I'd slow down but I don't.

[Stoots]

I regularly do 30 houses a day, I like working at a brisk pace, I’m not running around like a headless chicken though.

I’m similar in that if I only did 10-15 houses I’d have to double my prices, and only work mornings. Sounds pretty good mind you. 

I’m 34 and physically feel great at work, I’d recommend seeing a physio and they will no doubt give you some light resistance training to build up weak muscles that are causing an imbalance.

Although people seem to say window cleaning is tough on the body and if you work at that pace for too long you will fall apart, I don’t agree.

Use the best equipment out there, and look after yourself.

I think it depends  on  the day actually.

I've said it before but I'd rather   clean 30 3 bed semis at 5 to 10 mins a pop than 20 4 beds with connys and velux.

I certainly feel the pain when it's a big house day that's for sure.

There's a difference between 34 and 40 though. Men peak physically early 30s so youve only just crested it lol I'm on the downslope. I was 33 when started, I'm a shadow of that man now 

[SB Cleaning]

I have never done 25-30 houses in a day, what are they compact 1 beds 

And sorry to say but if your body is like this after 7 years wfp and age 40 your not gonna last long...

I'm 45 been doing wfp 12 years i get the odd bit of tennis elbow once every few years but other than that im OK, ( I think )

45? Have you had a hard life Shaun? 

Cheeky barsteward 

[Jonny 87]

I regularly do 30 houses a day, I like working at a brisk pace, I’m not running around like a headless chicken though.

I’m similar in that if I only did 10-15 houses I’d have to double my prices, and only work mornings. Sounds pretty good mind you. 

I’m 34 and physically feel great at work, I’d recommend seeing a physio and they will no doubt give you some light resistance training to build up weak muscles that are causing an imbalance.

Although people seem to say window cleaning is tough on the body and if you work at that pace for too long you will fall apart, I don’t agree.

Use the best equipment out there, and look after yourself.

I think it depends  on  the day actually.

I've said it before but I'd rather   clean 30 3 bed semis at 5 to 10 mins a pop than 20 4 beds with connys and velux.

I certainly feel the pain when it's a big house day that's for sure.

There's a difference between 34 and 40 though. Men peak physically early 30s so youve only just crested it lol I'm on the downslope. I was 33 when started, I'm a shadow of that man now 

If this is my peak then I’m in real trouble. 😂

I’ve been cleaning since 16 so I may well eat my words. 😬

go for a physio though. It’s solid advice.

[deeege]

Sounds pretty grim racing through 30 houses a day to me to be honest but I’m guessing that’s the best prices you can get in whatever area you are in?

Id try to concentrate on upping your average clean price and reducing the amount of properties you clean as I don’t think that’s sustainable on your body long term, especially if your feeling the strain at 40.

[Slacky]

Sounds like you're your own worse enemy.

[KS Cleaning]

I’m 53 and relatively fit having previously played football. I prefer to work at a brisk pace in order to get more free time away from window cleaning.
If I had the aches and pains that Stoots describes, I would seriously consider yoga or something similar, I would also look into getting an exercise sheet drawn up by a physiotherapist.

[Small but perfectley formed]

Stoots do you take any vitamins.
Had same problems was sent to a physio couldn't find anything wrong told me it's very strenuous on the body using WFP.
Started taking high dose D3 and 100mg K2 this has helped.
Search on YouTube and you can see lots of info on both D3 and K2

[Stoots]

Stoots do you take any vitamins.
Had same problems was sent to a physio couldn't find anything wrong told me it's very strenuous on the body using WFP.
Started taking high dose D3 and 100mg K2 this has helped.
Search on YouTube and you can see lots of info on both D3 and K2

No i dont, i will look into it. certainly diet could be much better .

[Bungle]

How many hours a day do you work to clean those 25/30 houses?

Sound like you are seriously overdoing it to me, that’s not sustainable once you are getting into your 40’s.

About 6/7 hours . 15 mins for lunch then none stop action 

Don't really think much of it, its's 10am now and I've already done 10.

I did 28 yesterday but that included 5 first cleans.

Today I've given myself a lighter one 23 jobs Inc 4 first cleans.

What's your retention rate? I'd guess it's not that good?

I lose maybe 2/3 established customers a year through moving usually. I'd say its very good. Retention rate on first cleans is not as good but that's to be expected lots of messers out there.

If you are suggesting I don't do a good job then you are barking up the wrong tree  if I was getting loads of complaints I'd slow down but I don't.

You've admitted in the past that you're a splash and dash merchant. That's why I asked about your retention rate.

[Bungle]

How many hours a day do you work to clean those 25/30 houses?

Sound like you are seriously overdoing it to me, that’s not sustainable once you are getting into your 40’s.

About 6/7 hours . 15 mins for lunch then none stop action 

Don't really think much of it, its's 10am now and I've already done 10.

I did 28 yesterday but that included 5 first cleans.

Today I've given myself a lighter one 23 jobs Inc 4 first cleans.

What's your retention rate? I'd guess it's not that good?

I lose maybe 2/3 established customers a year through moving usually. I'd say its very good. Retention rate on first cleans is not as good but that's to be expected lots of messers out there.

If you are suggesting I don't do a good job then you are barking up the wrong tree  if I was getting loads of complaints I'd slow down but I don't.

You've admitted in the past that you're a splash and dash merchant. That's why I asked about your retention rate.

Just wondering what others approach is...

Im not talking about those who wish to employ or grow here, im talking about a sole operator who wants to stay that way...

So its been my target the last 6 months to work 3 days a week and make these days as easy and as profitable as possible. I have got rid of anything that needs more than a 25ft pole, dropped a lot of houses that are under priced or awkward or that i dont like doing. Ive sold off a bit of out of the way stuff. The round isnt perfect but i can now do 300 - 350 a day on my best days, i still have some work to sort and have a bit thats not good enough to hit those numbers.

Anyway, i just wondered for those that are solo, do you just keep ticking away on the same work year in year out with maybe the odd increase or do you actively advertise at  higher prices and start replacing the bottom with cream ?

Just wondering what the best approach is for building  cream 1 man round  Ive never been as happy with work than i have since i started on the 3 day a week idea, its stopped my aches and pains and made me on the whole want to attack each  day and spank off work which is quite unusal for me. Theres still the odd week where i have slacked and worked 4 days but on the whole have managed to stick to my target.

No aches and pains in November and now aches and pains in January. 3 day week in November and bashing out 30 houses a day in January. 🤷‍♂️

[S.A.J]

I’m 37 and starting to feel it! In August I would have been window cleaning for 22 years!

Been trying supplements but always go back to alcohol  ; tonight I’m on 6.2% larger and the aches have gone 

[dazmond]

How many hours a day do you work to clean those 25/30 houses?

Sound like you are seriously overdoing it to me, that’s not sustainable once you are getting into your 40’s.

Some days I'm cleaning 25-30 houses a day in 5 hours no probs and I'm 50 now...they are all virtually next door to each other though with 1 or 2 van moves all day(some are fronts only too though to be fair)...

[dazmond]

I’m 37 and starting to feel it! In August I would have been window cleaning for 22 years!

Been trying supplements but always go back to alcohol  ; tonight I’m on 6.2% larger and the aches have gone 

I'm 50 and been window cleaning 29 years now...12 of them WFP....

No alcohol for me....my hours are shorter than they used to be....I average around 20-25 hours a week actually physically cleaning...

I'm still working out in the gym but usually only go twice week now with less volume and weight....

I very rarely have any aches and pains...if I do its usually a bit of carpel tunnel syndrome in my right thumb/hand

[deeege]

How many hours a day do you work to clean those 25/30 houses?

Sound like you are seriously overdoing it to me, that’s not sustainable once you are getting into your 40’s.

Some days I'm cleaning 25-30 houses a day in 5 hours no probs and I'm 50 now...they are all virtually next door to each other though with 1 or 2 van moves all day(some are fronts only too though to be fair)...

Your 30 houses next door to each other can’t even be compared to 30 separate stand alone jobs. It’s night and day.

Getting in and out of the van 30 times, driving to 30 separate jobs, putting pole in van and getting out 30 times, reeling in/out 30 times the list goes on. Sounds like your prices per house are better too.

And this isn’t bashing the stand alone work, most of mine is too, I don’t do anywhere near 30 a day though.

[dazmond]

How many hours a day do you work to clean those 25/30 houses?

Sound like you are seriously overdoing it to me, that’s not sustainable once you are getting into your 40’s.

Some days I'm cleaning 25-30 houses a day in 5 hours no probs and I'm 50 now...they are all virtually next door to each other though with 1 or 2 van moves all day(some are fronts only too though to be fair)...

Your 30 houses next door to each other can’t even be compared to 30 separate stand alone jobs. It’s night and day.

Getting in and out of the van 30 times, driving to 30 separate jobs, putting pole in van and getting out 30 times, reeling in/out 30 times the list goes on. Sounds like your prices per house are better too.

And this isn’t bashing the stand alone work, most of mine is too, I don’t do anywhere near 30 a day though.

You have got a point Danny!😄

It sounds to me as if Adam is working too hard for his current fitness level...

[SB Cleaning]

How many hours a day do you work to clean those 25/30 houses?

Sound like you are seriously overdoing it to me, that’s not sustainable once you are getting into your 40’s.

Some days I'm cleaning 25-30 houses a day in 5 hours no probs and I'm 50 now...they are all virtually next door to each other though with 1 or 2 van moves all day(some are fronts only too though to be fair)...

Your 30 houses next door to each other can’t even be compared to 30 separate stand alone jobs. It’s night and day.

Getting in and out of the van 30 times, driving to 30 separate jobs, putting pole in van and getting out 30 times, reeling in/out 30 times the list goes on. Sounds like your prices per house are better too.

And this isn’t bashing the stand alone work, most of mine is too, I don’t do anywhere near 30 a day though.

You have got a point Danny!😄

It sounds to me as if Adam is working too hard for his current fitness level...

I just can't see how he's doing it and cleaning to a high standard...
5-10mins on a 3 bed semi is going some, especially in the summer months with all the insect marks and snail trails.

[james peters]

3 bed semi for me is 4 an hour.    The days of running around like a nutter are over . I am 50
as I get older my only way of increasing my takings is a price increase.
I have recently the past couple of years started render softwashing, its a nice easy boost to each week .

I couldnt do 25 houses a day any more .
Its not sustainable

[zesty]

Adam you must be wedged up to the eyeballs these days then?
 
Prices are better down here, so 10-15 houses is all I need to do.

But if you’re doing 25-30 odd at £10-15 every day, you’re earning good wonga for way up there in Yorkshire…

Mansion yet?   

[dazmond]

3 bed semi for me is 4 an hour.    The days of running around like a nutter are over . I am 50
as I get older my only way of increasing my takings is a price increase.
I have recently the past couple of years started render softwashing, its a nice easy boost to each week .

I couldnt do 25 houses a day any more .
Its not sustainable

4-6 an hour depending on extensions and connys for me...

50 is the new 30!

[martinw]

Re shoulder issues and arms apart from stretches, physio diet and strongly suggest looking at your sleeping habits and position. You would be surprised what proper neck support  for side sleeper can do.  More than 60% shoulder problems comes from incorrect or strained night sleep.  Another thing to consider is acupuncture to release those trapped nerves in your arms.

[Stoots]

How many hours a day do you work to clean those 25/30 houses?

Sound like you are seriously overdoing it to me, that’s not sustainable once you are getting into your 40’s.

About 6/7 hours . 15 mins for lunch then none stop action 

Don't really think much of it, its's 10am now and I've already done 10.

I did 28 yesterday but that included 5 first cleans.

Today I've given myself a lighter one 23 jobs Inc 4 first cleans.

What's your retention rate? I'd guess it's not that good?

I lose maybe 2/3 established customers a year through moving usually. I'd say its very good. Retention rate on first cleans is not as good but that's to be expected lots of messers out there.

If you are suggesting I don't do a good job then you are barking up the wrong tree  if I was getting loads of complaints I'd slow down but I don't.

You've admitted in the past that you're a splash and dash merchant. That's why I asked about your retention rate.

Just wondering what others approach is...

Im not talking about those who wish to employ or grow here, im talking about a sole operator who wants to stay that way...

So its been my target the last 6 months to work 3 days a week and make these days as easy and as profitable as possible. I have got rid of anything that needs more than a 25ft pole, dropped a lot of houses that are under priced or awkward or that i dont like doing. Ive sold off a bit of out of the way stuff. The round isnt perfect but i can now do 300 - 350 a day on my best days, i still have some work to sort and have a bit thats not good enough to hit those numbers.

Anyway, i just wondered for those that are solo, do you just keep ticking away on the same work year in year out with maybe the odd increase or do you actively advertise at  higher prices and start replacing the bottom with cream ?

Just wondering what the best approach is for building  cream 1 man round  Ive never been as happy with work than i have since i started on the 3 day a week idea, its stopped my aches and pains and made me on the whole want to attack each  day and spank off work which is quite unusal for me. Theres still the odd week where i have slacked and worked 4 days but on the whole have managed to stick to my target.

No aches and pains in November and now aches and pains in January. 3 day week in November and bashing out 30 houses a day in January. 🤷‍♂️

Yep I was doing a 3 day week but soon got bored.

If you look through a lot of my posts you'll see one minute I'm employing then I'm looking at franchising, then im back on my own, then I'm selling work then I'm growing.

I change my mind a lot, I do this with everything in life, hobbies etc. I start something then get bored and do something else. I'm probably bipolar or something. Truth is I don't know what I want from my business and go round in circles.


One thing I have noticed about you though Bungle is you are consistent. You have me beat there... I don't think I've seen a post from you that's helpful you come into threads trying to pick holes and poke rather than  offer any advice.

At least you are consistent at being a bell end.

[zesty]

How about trying to get into commercial Adam?

I’ve found it made work/life balance so much better, less hours and more earnings.

[High-Tower]

I'm probably bipolar or something. Truth is I don't know what I want from my business and go round in circles.

I think this is quite common with window cleaners, I’m the same, and know a few others like it too.
On a good day it feels like you could easily run 5 vans and on a bad day you want to put it all on eBay at lunch time!

[DJW]

Why are people bashing out 30 houses a day in their late forties and fifties, what’s the point? Kids should have left home, mortgage should be finished.
As for the berks who want to work in their seventies and beyond you need a mental help not physio!

[Bungle]

How many hours a day do you work to clean those 25/30 houses?

Sound like you are seriously overdoing it to me, that’s not sustainable once you are getting into your 40’s.

About 6/7 hours . 15 mins for lunch then none stop action 

Don't really think much of it, its's 10am now and I've already done 10.

I did 28 yesterday but that included 5 first cleans.

Today I've given myself a lighter one 23 jobs Inc 4 first cleans.

What's your retention rate? I'd guess it's not that good?

I lose maybe 2/3 established customers a year through moving usually. I'd say its very good. Retention rate on first cleans is not as good but that's to be expected lots of messers out there.

If you are suggesting I don't do a good job then you are barking up the wrong tree  if I was getting loads of complaints I'd slow down but I don't.

You've admitted in the past that you're a splash and dash merchant. That's why I asked about your retention rate.

Just wondering what others approach is...

Im not talking about those who wish to employ or grow here, im talking about a sole operator who wants to stay that way...

So its been my target the last 6 months to work 3 days a week and make these days as easy and as profitable as possible. I have got rid of anything that needs more than a 25ft pole, dropped a lot of houses that are under priced or awkward or that i dont like doing. Ive sold off a bit of out of the way stuff. The round isnt perfect but i can now do 300 - 350 a day on my best days, i still have some work to sort and have a bit thats not good enough to hit those numbers.

Anyway, i just wondered for those that are solo, do you just keep ticking away on the same work year in year out with maybe the odd increase or do you actively advertise at  higher prices and start replacing the bottom with cream ?

Just wondering what the best approach is for building  cream 1 man round  Ive never been as happy with work than i have since i started on the 3 day a week idea, its stopped my aches and pains and made me on the whole want to attack each  day and spank off work which is quite unusal for me. Theres still the odd week where i have slacked and worked 4 days but on the whole have managed to stick to my target.

No aches and pains in November and now aches and pains in January. 3 day week in November and bashing out 30 houses a day in January. 🤷‍♂️

Yep I was doing a 3 day week but soon got bored.

If you look through a lot of my posts you'll see one minute I'm employing then I'm looking at franchising, then im back on my own, then I'm selling work then I'm growing.

I change my mind a lot, I do this with everything in life, hobbies etc. I start something then get bored and do something else. I'm probably bipolar or something. Truth is I don't know what I want from my business and go round in circles.


One thing I have noticed about you though Bungle is you are consistent. You have me beat there... I don't think I've seen a post from you that's helpful you come into threads trying to pick holes and poke rather than  offer any advice.

At least you are consistent at being a bell end.

Ok, here's some advice. Stop going round in circles contradicting yourself then I won't feel the need to 'pick holes' 👍

[Stoots]

How many hours a day do you work to clean those 25/30 houses?

Sound like you are seriously overdoing it to me, that’s not sustainable once you are getting into your 40’s.

About 6/7 hours . 15 mins for lunch then none stop action 

Don't really think much of it, its's 10am now and I've already done 10.

I did 28 yesterday but that included 5 first cleans.

Today I've given myself a lighter one 23 jobs Inc 4 first cleans.

What's your retention rate? I'd guess it's not that good?

I lose maybe 2/3 established customers a year through moving usually. I'd say its very good. Retention rate on first cleans is not as good but that's to be expected lots of messers out there.

If you are suggesting I don't do a good job then you are barking up the wrong tree  if I was getting loads of complaints I'd slow down but I don't.

You've admitted in the past that you're a splash and dash merchant. That's why I asked about your retention rate.

Just wondering what others approach is...

Im not talking about those who wish to employ or grow here, im talking about a sole operator who wants to stay that way...

So its been my target the last 6 months to work 3 days a week and make these days as easy and as profitable as possible. I have got rid of anything that needs more than a 25ft pole, dropped a lot of houses that are under priced or awkward or that i dont like doing. Ive sold off a bit of out of the way stuff. The round isnt perfect but i can now do 300 - 350 a day on my best days, i still have some work to sort and have a bit thats not good enough to hit those numbers.

Anyway, i just wondered for those that are solo, do you just keep ticking away on the same work year in year out with maybe the odd increase or do you actively advertise at  higher prices and start replacing the bottom with cream ?

Just wondering what the best approach is for building  cream 1 man round  Ive never been as happy with work than i have since i started on the 3 day a week idea, its stopped my aches and pains and made me on the whole want to attack each  day and spank off work which is quite unusal for me. Theres still the odd week where i have slacked and worked 4 days but on the whole have managed to stick to my target.

No aches and pains in November and now aches and pains in January. 3 day week in November and bashing out 30 houses a day in January. 🤷‍♂️

Yep I was doing a 3 day week but soon got bored.

If you look through a lot of my posts you'll see one minute I'm employing then I'm looking at franchising, then im back on my own, then I'm selling work then I'm growing.

I change my mind a lot, I do this with everything in life, hobbies etc. I start something then get bored and do something else. I'm probably bipolar or something. Truth is I don't know what I want from my business and go round in circles.


One thing I have noticed about you though Bungle is you are consistent. You have me beat there... I don't think I've seen a post from you that's helpful you come into threads trying to pick holes and poke rather than  offer any advice.

At least you are consistent at being a bell end.

Ok, here's some advice. Stop going round in circles contradicting yourself then I won't feel the need to 'pick holes' 👍

There is no contradiction.

[dazmond]

Why are people bashing out 30 houses a day in their late forties and fifties, what’s the point? Kids should have left home, mortgage should be finished.
As for the berks who want to work in their seventies and beyond you need a mental help not physio!

Some people are also old before their time.....the 2 window cleaners I know that are still working in their late 70s look so much younger than their age...

[dazmond]

I've got 76 jobs pencilled in for next week...I'll easily get them cleaned in 4 short working days....

[SB Cleaning]

I've got 76 jobs pencilled in for next week...I'll easily get them cleaned in 4 short working days....

It's gonna take me 2 days to do 1 house  on Mon and Tues

[dazmond]

I've got 76 jobs pencilled in for next week...I'll easily get them cleaned in 4 short working days....

It's gonna take me 2 days to do 1 house  on Mon and Tues

The thing is when you eventually lose that job(and you will one day)that's 2 days work you need to replace where my biggest jobs take around an hour or so to clean,most are 10-20 mins so i don't notice when I lose the odd account....

[SB Cleaning]

I've got 76 jobs pencilled in for next week...I'll easily get them cleaned in 4 short working days....

It's gonna take me 2 days to do 1 house  on Mon and Tues

The thing is when you eventually lose that job(and you will one day)that's 2 days work you need to replace where my biggest jobs take around an hour or so to clean,most are 10-20 mins so i don't notice when I lose the odd account....

How do you know i will lose that job Daz?.
I also do a fair few other properties that they own.

[deeege]

I've got 76 jobs pencilled in for next week...I'll easily get them cleaned in 4 short working days....

It's gonna take me 2 days to do 1 house  on Mon and Tues

Nigel is that you? 

[KS Cleaning]

I've got 76 jobs pencilled in for next week...I'll easily get them cleaned in 4 short working days....

It's gonna take me 2 days to do 1 house  on Mon and Tues

Nigel is that you? 

😆😆

[robbo333]

I'm 57 years old, and this is what i did:

I changed the problem, rather than find the cure.

1. Lightest equipment: Gardiner Xtreme pole and brushes, (sill brushes are good). I put 30m of reinforced pole hose on my main reel (easy to use and reel in). I also purchased a waterworks electric reel (one of the best things i've done).

2. Work out the side of the van (in 90% of cleans, this works ideal, straight out and straight back, no going round corners.

3. Bin off all the awkward houses. I only take on easy houses or bungalows (no reaching over large connys to get to crap).

4. Price increase, I can now earn the same money for less hours per day.

I had tennis elbow, golfers elbow, a dodgy shoulder and a dodgy wrist (no jokes please). By changing the way I work, all these are no longer a problem.

I have done all I can do to make my work (easier!). This year I will focus on me...maybe Pilates, Krav Maga I fancy (I used to do boxing) but I need some form of external fitness or exercise that I find interesting.  My diet is good and I eat healthy so I can't really improve on that but I will drink less alcohol. (no more wiskey).

Ps The red wine stays.

[Stoots]

I'm 57 years old, and this is what i did:

I changed the problem, rather than find the cure.

1. Lightest equipment: Gardiner Xtreme pole and brushes, (sill brushes are good). I put 30m of reinforced pole hose on my main reel (easy to use and reel in). I also purchased a waterworks electric reel (one of the best things i've done).

2. Work out the side of the van (in 90% of cleans, this works ideal, straight out and straight back, no going round corners.

3. Bin off all the awkward houses. I only take on easy houses or bungalows (no reaching over large connys to get to crap).

4. Price increase, I can now earn the same money for less hours per day.

I had tennis elbow, golfers elbow, a dodgy shoulder and a dodgy wrist (no jokes please). By changing the way I work, all these are no longer a problem.

I have done all I can do to make my work (easier!). This year I will focus on me...maybe Pilates, Krav Maga I fancy (I used to do boxing) but I need some form of external fitness or exercise that I find interesting.  My diet is good and I eat healthy so I can't really improve on that but I will drink less alcohol. (no more wiskey).

Ps The red wine stays.

Already use lightest poles and leccy reels.

Ive got rid of all jobs that require more than my 25ft barring 2 i think. They do need to go
Thats said ive still got quite a lot of awkward angles and stretching over connys etc on the round. Ive way more work than i can handle comfortable so could drop them all but its hard to part with it but i know i really should unless i can get some other poor bugger to clean them for me 

Been to physio this morning and he reckons everything is reversible with specific exercises,correct  diet, sleep and reducing stress.

[robbo333]

I'm 57 years old, and this is what i did:

I changed the problem, rather than find the cure.

1. Lightest equipment: Gardiner Xtreme pole and brushes, (sill brushes are good). I put 30m of reinforced pole hose on my main reel (easy to use and reel in). I also purchased a waterworks electric reel (one of the best things i've done).

2. Work out the side of the van (in 90% of cleans, this works ideal, straight out and straight back, no going round corners.

3. Bin off all the awkward houses. I only take on easy houses or bungalows (no reaching over large connys to get to crap).

4. Price increase, I can now earn the same money for less hours per day.

I had tennis elbow, golfers elbow, a dodgy shoulder and a dodgy wrist (no jokes please). By changing the way I work, all these are no longer a problem.

I have done all I can do to make my work (easier!). This year I will focus on me...maybe Pilates, Krav Maga I fancy (I used to do boxing) but I need some form of external fitness or exercise that I find interesting.  My diet is good and I eat healthy so I can't really improve on that but I will drink less alcohol. (no more wiskey).

Ps The red wine stays.

Already use lightest poles and leccy reels.

Ive got rid of all jobs that require more than my 25ft barring 2 i think. They do need to go
Thats said ive still got quite a lot of awkward angles and stretching over connys etc on the round. Ive way more work than i can handle comfortable so could drop them all but its hard to part with it but i know i really should unless i can get some other poor bugger to clean them for me 

Been to physio this morning and he reckons everything is reversible with specific exercises,correct  diet, sleep and reducing stress.

Sounds like that's your problem. Hope you get it sorted soon.

[dazmond]

It's all to do with diet and exercise and good equipment as well as no alcohol(or very little if you like a drink)...obviously no smoking and working smarter....

I have literally a hundred or more jobs with very awkward windows to clean...that's why they employ me to clean their windows....zero problems with shoulders or neck etc...

I put it down to all the above....strength training in the gym over the last 6 years or so has built a very strong upper body....my upper back,chest,arms, shoulders and traps are very well developed and it helps immensely with WFP....