[capn sparkle]

Self explanatory?

[LBWCS]

Good thread. Think so

[Soupy]

Thank f***

[Missing Link]

No he hasn't.

Travel to and from work is allowed.

Therefore work is allowed.

Were you listening to something else?

[Phil J]

Don't think we'd be welcomed with open arms if we show up tomorrow to clean.

[matty72]

we are shut down i think, but no help

[Soupy]

No he hasn't.

Travel to and from work is allowed.

Therefore work is allowed.

Were you listening to something else?

Hopeless blonde haired fud.

Glad I didn't vote for him 

[matty72]

can we work or not confusing

[davids3511]

No he hasn't.

Travel to and from work is allowed.

Therefore work is allowed.

Were you listening to something else?

Did he not say essential work only?

[lozsing]

that's the killer word essential

[Soupy]

No he hasn't.

Travel to and from work is allowed.

Therefore work is allowed.

Were you listening to something else?

Did he not say essential work only?

If your work puts food on the table is it not essential?

[The Jester of Wibbly]

Not clear enough for people working outdoors.  So carry on a usual as its work that can't be done from home.

Nowt about self employed either. No info at all for us.

[simon w]

Boris hasn't put a ban on going to work it's now just a case of whether your customer wants you to work at their property and whether YOU want to work as well

[Stoots]

Was a bit flaky but the bottom line is we can still work for now.

[GAZZA B]

surly  if we stay two meters away from anybody we can work???

[The Jester of Wibbly]

We are no different from postmen. Carry on.

[Missing Link]

Did he not say essential work only?

No.  And if he did, he'd have to provide a list of what counts as 'essential work'. 

This is what BoJo said; I'm a touch typist and typed it as he spoke:

These are the reasons you can leave your house:

Shopping.  For basics and kept to a minimum.

One form of exercise per day (run/walk cycle)  (though I don't think cycling is exercise.  It's cheating.  On a cheat machine.

Any medical need (for someone else counts)

And travel to and from work, but only when absolutely necessary, and cannot be done from home.

That's all.

[Missing Link]

Not clear enough for people working outdoors.

How was that not clear?

[dazmond]

We can still work for now no problem....I've also texted some customers for tomorrow and their fine with it....

My missus on the other hand is in meltdown with her business as shes got to close her shop from tonight.....👎☹

[matty72]

self employed are being ignored, they keep saying we are in it together

[davids3511]

No he hasn't.

Travel to and from work is allowed.

Therefore work is allowed.

Were you listening to something else?

Did he not say essential work only?

If your work puts food on the table is it not essential?

No, it's not. Essential to you but not the country as a whole.

[wayne m]

It’s been a very weird atmosphere working today so will be even more so from now on if we go out to work but it is essential for us to work to earn money to pay bills etc but then on the other hand we should be doing our bit to end this nightmare and help save lives  then we can get back to normal living again! What is everyone doing then work or not?

[dazmond]

Did he not say essential work only?

No.  And if he did, he'd have to provide a list of what counts as 'essential work'. 

This is what BoJo said; I'm a touch typist and typed it as he spoke:

These are the reasons you can leave your house:

Shopping.  For basics and kept to a minimum.

One form of exercise per day (run/walk cycle)  (though I don't think cycling is exercise.  It's cheating.  On a cheat machine.

Any medical need (for someone else counts)

And travel to and from work, but only when absolutely necessary, and cannot be done from home.

That's all.

That's it in a nutshell tosh......crack on....its gonna be nice weather too tomorrow

[Slacky]

can we work or not confusing

Yes!!!

Did you not listen?

[Soupy]

Not clear enough for people working outdoors.

How was that not clear?

Sturgeon has been clearer.

No window cleaning in Scotland.

[jonboywalton75]

Boris hasn't put a ban on going to work it's now just a case of whether your customer wants you to work at their property and whether YOU want to work as well

Exactly

[jonboywalton75]

Did he not say essential work only?

No.  And if he did, he'd have to provide a list of what counts as 'essential work'. 

This is what BoJo said; I'm a touch typist and typed it as he spoke:

These are the reasons you can leave your house:

Shopping.  For basics and kept to a minimum.

One form of exercise per day (run/walk cycle)  (though I don't think cycling is exercise.  It's cheating.  On a cheat machine.

Any medical need (for someone else counts)

And travel to and from work, but only when absolutely necessary, and cannot be done from home.

That's all.

That's it in a nutshell tosh......crack on....its gonna be nice weather too tomorrow

I agree with Daz

[JackieW]

Speaking as a window cleaner then I think no to stopping us working.

But if I was to listen to  his speech as a non-window cleaner (most of society) then I think I'd take a different view.
The general idea seems to be ''stay home''.

Window cleaning is essential for my income  but it is not essential for any other reason.

So, as Au Ravelling  has said elsewhere here, I think the social stigma of carrying on cleaning windows will be too great.

[matty72]

does anyone know how much universal credit we can get roughly think i might have to apply

[davids3511]

Not clear enough for people working outdoors.

How was that not clear?

Sturgeon has been clearer.

No window cleaning in Scotland.

Yes, I saw that. She did use the word essential. However, I think Boris was clear enough. In the context of trying to stop people going outside their home  "travel to and from work, but only when absolutely necessary" is pretty clear.

[Windy Miller]

Good luck being seen cleaning windows over the next three weeks while businesses like clothes shops and electrical stores have been told to shut. Nevermind the general public only being allowed out to buy essentials, exercise once a day outside, not congregated in groups of more than two people and no visiting family and friends to stop house to house spreading.
We can play with the wording but we are the complete opposite of what is essential work such as blue light staff, road works, electricity workers etc.
I'd suspect a backlash if we were seen working during this three week period, I'll sit this one out.

[p1w1]

If you go on the government twitter page. It says you may only leave home to go to work for key workers only.

[nathankaye]

He didn't say its only key workers who can work. So everyone can go to work if working from home isnt an option.   Therefore we can still work and esp those like me who do not require human contact ie for payment options

[G Griffin]

He can't cover every job and every task in so short a time.
He didn't say window cleaners couldn't work but he certainly didn't give the green light either.
I think the message was clear though. If you want to work because of something that he didn't say, you obviously didn't get the message.

[davids3511]

can we work or not confusing

Yes!!!

Did you not listen?

I think you should stop and think Tosh for 15 minutes. People are listening to you telling them it's ok to go to work tomorrow when it really isn't. Cleaning mrs. Smiths windows in not 'absolutely necessary". Your a clever bloke and can twist and play with words but you are wrong if you think this doesn't apply to us.

[G Griffin]

He didn't say its only key workers who can work. So everyone can go to work if working from home isnt an option.   Therefore we can still work and esp those like me who do not require human contact ie for payment options

I must have missed that bit .

[Missing Link]

I think you should stop and think Tosh for 15 minutes. People are listening to you telling them it's ok to go to work tomorrow when it really isn't. Cleaning mrs. Smiths windows in not 'absolutely necessary". Your a clever bloke and can twist and play with words but you are wrong if you think this doesn't apply to us.

If Boris only wants a list of specified people to go to work, he would've listed those occupations vital to the effort against covid-19.

But he hasn't because what he said was perfectly clear.

You can travel to and from work, if it's absolutely necessary and you cannot do it from home.

If you're a window cleaner you cannot clean windows from home, so it's absolutely necessary for you to travel to work.

Other countries, like Spain, have EXACTLY the same rules.

When I leave for work tomorrow I'll see a whole load of builders building a new housing estate.  Guaranteed.

[Shrek]

He definitely didn’t say only essential workers can go out. He said go to work if you can’t do it from home

[JackieW]

''From this evening I must give the British people a very simple instruction, You must stay at home.''

The 'spirit' behind this, as opposed to the 'letter' makes me feel uncomfortable about cleaning windows for the next few weeks.

[Missing Link]

The 'spirit' behind this, as opposed to the 'letter' makes me feel uncomfortable about cleaning windows for the next few weeks.

The spirit is that you shouldn't go out for fun and to socialise.

[Slacky]

Just said on the BBC if you cannot work from home then you can travel to work.

[wayne m]

[p1w1]

Well i'm going to try as its unclear , whats the worse that can happen the police send me home or the customer tells me to do one. At least i'll know properly by the end of tomorrow.

[davids3511]

The 'spirit' behind this, as opposed to the 'letter' makes me feel uncomfortable about cleaning windows for the next few weeks.

The spirit is that you shouldn't go out for fun and to socialise.

Well, it seems Boris has clarified it on his twitter page for you. Unless you think we can stretch window cleaning to 'key worker' status.

[James Styles]

The 'spirit' behind this, as opposed to the 'letter' makes me feel uncomfortable about cleaning windows for the next few weeks.

The spirit is that you shouldn't go out for fun and to socialise.

Well, it seems Boris has clarified it on his twitter page for you. Unless you think we can stretch window cleaning to 'key worker' status.

Well he should of made this clearer about only key workers going to work. I think a lot of people in the UK will be going to work tomorrow not knowing they shouldn’t be.

[davids3511]

You can travel to and from work, if it's absolutely necessary and you cannot do it from home.

If you're a window cleaner you cannot clean windows from home, so it's absolutely necessary for you to travel to work.

What you do is up to you, twist it how you like to allow yourself to go to work but it's irresponsible to tell others blatant bullpoop to support your poor decision.  It's obvious to almost everybody that the 'absolutely essential' referred to the work itself and not the travel aspect of the job.

[davids3511]

The 'spirit' behind this, as opposed to the 'letter' makes me feel uncomfortable about cleaning windows for the next few weeks.

The spirit is that you shouldn't go out for fun and to socialise.

Well, it seems Boris has clarified it on his twitter page for you. Unless you think we can stretch window cleaning to 'key worker' status.

Well he should of made this clearer about only key workers going to work. I think a lot of people in the UK will be going to work tomorrow not knowing they shouldn’t be.

They'll know full well they shouldn't be but they will decide making money is more important.

[The Jester of Wibbly]

That's not what the pm said ref key workers. Ignore twitter that changes words used

[James Styles]

So we all still don’t know if we should or shouldn’t be going to work really 😂

[wayne m]

I agree he should have been clearer but obviously he has a hard job and decisions to make and only a short amount of time in that speech. He should have said only key workers but from the twitter page it looks like we shouldn’t be leaving the house just to clean windows. If we do what he says we will be back at work with lots of dirty windows to clean and no threat of catching a deadly virus or passing it on. I’m behind with work as it is so going to be stressful don’t get me wrong, but no one was listening to the government so was forced into this

[davids3511]

That's not what the pm said ref key workers. Ignore twitter that changes words used

He said 'absolutley essential', is your window cleaning absolutely essential?

[The Jester of Wibbly]

Don't worry. If it was for key workers only to work, he would have used those words.

[The Jester of Wibbly]

That's not what the pm said ref key workers. Ignore twitter that changes words used

He said 'absolutley essential', is your window cleaning absolutely essential?

Yes, it is to us to earn a crust.  We are not in contact with anyone.  Be sensible

[davids3511]

That's not what the pm said ref key workers. Ignore twitter that changes words used

He said 'absolutley essential', is your window cleaning absolutely essential?

Yes, it is to us to earn a crust.  We are not in contact with anyone.  Be sensible

So seriously who was he talking to then? If you consider yourself 'absolutley essential' what workers was he asking to stay home?

[TomCrowther]

As usual, I'm confused.
He missed a superb opportunity to play the Mighty Clash- Should I stay or should I go and list the go jobs.

[dd]

does anyone know how much universal credit we can get roughly think i might have to apply

The government need to give us the same as they are offering to pay employees to stay home, then I think we would all happily do so.

[zesty]

We can work, that’s for sure.

The question is, do we want to? It’s going to feel like walking on egg shells.

We need financial help. Not to be forced to go out and work when people won’t want us.

[kris martin]

We are staying at home . he hasn't made it 100% clear but I'm 80% not working and 20% working so going to go with my gut feeling and stay at home.   It will hurt my finances but if all them idiots could abide by the rules already in place then who knows it might not of come to this

[Shrek]

Play from 39 seconds in

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1242189099882229764?s=21

There is no essential workers and no key workers mentioned at all

[capn sparkle]

Thanks lads, all your differing opinions have helped me make up my mind.

It's gonna cost me a few quid and maybe some customers too but I'm not going to be responsible for possibly infecting and killing anyone.

I'm stopping from now on wards.

Good luck - stay safe - see you on the other side.

[Craig 72]

Until he puts a freeze on all my bills I’m going to have to at least try to work (assuming the customer is willing).I’ve got two days pressure washing starting tomorrow in which I won’t have to see a soul and they will pay online.

[Stoots]

I don't know now lol

I'm starting to think this is going to feel  awkward as feck if I go out tomorrow but I might just go out and see why the response is like.

On the plus side I can ride my bike everyday for 3 weeks, may as well use this time to get fit.

[Missing Link]

Play from 39 seconds in

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1242189099882229764?s=21

There is no essential workers and no key workers mentioned at all

Yes, the 'floppy haired twat' wasn't clear in his explanation.

This seems fairly clear though:



There is a list of key workers and we're not on it; obvs.

[Clever Forum Name]

Not clear enough for people working outdoors.

How was that not clear?

Sturgeon has been clearer.

No window cleaning in Scotland.

This was my issue I had and glad you cleared it up.

She used the words “essential” work! Boris never mentioned that word.

[JackieW]

''You must stay at home.........
People will only be allowed to leave their  home for the following very limited purposes..................... travelling to or from work, but only where this is absolutely necessary and cannot be done from home''.

When he says 'this' is absolutely necessary , what 'this' is he referring to?  The work , or the travelling?

[Shrek]

Actually.... the more I listen to it , he says only go to work where it’s absolutely necessary .... I think that means key workers 😞

I’m taking the next 2 weeks off and see how it goes

[Stoots]

That's not what the pm said ref key workers. Ignore twitter that changes words used

He said 'absolutley essential', is your window cleaning absolutely essential?

He didn't though!

He said "absolutely necessary and can't be done from home"

He didn't mention key worker or essential which makes this all the more confusing.

"absolutely necessary" doesn't tell us anything as it's open to interpretation.

Did he mean absolutely necessary because it can't be done from home or did he mean it as in if its essential.

I'm stumped but I reckon he meant you can go to work if it can't be done from home otherwise he just stopped everyone working except key workers which I'm sure he would have said if that was the case.

[G Griffin]

He can't stop you working because there are no laws in place to do so. Yet.
There probably never will be. It's not easy passing new laws, especially ones like that.
He's asked you not to work- the message was clear- but there's not a lot he can do to stop you. We're not North Korea.
Come Thursday, he might be able to move you off the street or give you a slap on the wrist.

Did anyone really think it would be about window cleaning or the self employed?
People are dying and take a look at the rest of the economy! Even McDonald's have closed.

[Missing Link]

On twitter there's lots of confusion. Beth Rigby (sky news) posted this which indicates that you can travel to work if you can't work from home: https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1242203319826857984

[Missing Link]

He's asked you not to work- the message was clear- but there's not a lot he can do to stop you.

No he didn't.  He said you could travel for work if it was absolutely necessary and you couldn't work from home.

Do stop making stuff up.

[Missing Link]

Did anyone really think it would be about window cleaning or the self employed?

Many European lock downs allowed people to go to work.

[Missing Link]

What Boris actually said:



https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1242195128296583169

[Windy Miller]

So when it's all said and done, the willy waving about cars and holidays doesn't amount to much if you're going to have to work through the biggest peacetime national crisis in a long time in a trade which typically relies on the older and subsequently more at risk members of society!

[G Griffin]

He's asked you not to work- the message was clear- but there's not a lot he can do to stop you.

No he didn't.  He said you could travel for work if it was absolutely necessary and you couldn't work from home.

Do stop making stuff up.

Our work is not absolutely necessary, so he's asking you not to go.
Or are you saying that he's asking us to go? That he's not bothered whether we go or not?
You should have been listening instead of touch typing. With your head.

[G Griffin]

Did anyone really think it would be about window cleaning or the self employed?

Many European lock downs allowed people to go to work.

Get away.

[Craig 72]

I couldn’t see anything on the official gov.uk site about it being only key workers who could work.Just that you can only travel to work if you absolutely can’t work from home.Unless I get a ten mile pole and hose that might be tricky.

[Slacky]

Well, Ive go a few offices to do tomorrow. I'll rock up and if the staff are in then I can work too if thats the case.

[Stoots]

So when it's all said and done, the willy waving about cars and holidays doesn't amount to much if you're going to have to work through the biggest peacetime national crisis in a long time in a trade which typically relies on the older and subsequently more at risk members of society!

The vast, probably 90% of my round is under 60 so speak for yourself.

[CleanClear]

He can't stop you working because there are no laws in place to do so. Yet.
There probably never will be. It's not easy passing new laws, especially ones like that.
He's asked you not to work- the message was clear- but there's not a lot he can do to stop you. We're not North Korea.
Come Thursday, he might be able to move you off the street or give you a slap on the wrist.

Did anyone really think it would be about window cleaning or the self employed?
People are dying and take a look at the rest of the economy! Even McDonald's have closed.

They sorted them this afternoon, they'll be signed off by Thurday latest.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52004116

[Missing Link]

Full guidance on staying away from others:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf

"Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home."

That reads to me that we can go to work.

[davids3511]

So when it's all said and done, the willy waving about cars and holidays doesn't amount to much if you're going to have to work through the biggest peacetime national crisis in a long time in a trade which typically relies on the older and subsequently more at risk members of society!

The vast, probably 90% of my round is under 60 so speak for yourself.

That would worry me in this current situation. About 50% of mine are retired with a certain pension. I'm relying on them to be there when this is all over, lots of others will be loosing their jobs.

[RPCCS]

I have posted on fb to my customers that I will be shut down. Will see what the "assistance for self employed" is, then contact local supermarkets for delivery driver jobs

[britishwill]

WE ARE SHUT DOWN..
TO GO TO WORK YOU MAY NEED TO FILL YOUR VAN WITH FUEL,  POSSIBLE SPREAD, GO TO THE TOILET, CONTACT WITH OTHER PEOPLE, SANDWICH FROM A SUPERMARKET. WHAT IS NOT TO UNDERSTAND?
WHAT ABOUT THE OPINION OF YOUR CLIENTS AND SOME ELDERLY THAT FELL THEY CANNOT SAY NO, YOU ARE NOT HEEDING THE NATIONAL ADVICE AND THE ADVICE THE NHS ARE PLEADING FOR.
NO WORK FOR 3 WEEKS, GET IT

[G Griffin]

He can't stop you working because there are no laws in place to do so. Yet.
There probably never will be. It's not easy passing new laws, especially ones like that.
He's asked you not to work- the message was clear- but there's not a lot he can do to stop you. We're not North Korea.
Come Thursday, he might be able to move you off the street or give you a slap on the wrist.

Did anyone really think it would be about window cleaning or the self employed?
People are dying and take a look at the rest of the economy! Even McDonald's have closed.

They sorted them this afternoon, they'll be signed off by Thurday latest.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52004116

Aye.
But I reckon everyone will have earned enough to retire by Thursday anyway.

[Missing Link]

WE ARE SHUT DOWN..

Only if you want to; gov isn't stopping people from travelling to work:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf

"Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home."

As has been pointed out, the video that said "Key workers only" has been deleted, so I'll bet it was done in error and wasn't part of the rules.

[TomCrowther]

I think three weeks is just the start. Boris has read the Hobbit. The dwarves come to Bilbo’s house in twos and threes. All at once would be too much of a shock.
He is easing us into it. I think 12 weeks will be more like it.

[NWH]

I can’t see it being 12

[G Griffin]

WE ARE SHUT DOWN..

Only if you want to; gov isn't stopping people from travelling to work

Because they can't. Yet. It is unprecedented.
Schools were open last week and now they are not. It can change like that.

[Cookie]

"You must stay at home" - pretty unambiguous IMO.

[KINGAKNAA]

Housing minister has said construction workers...they can carry in as long as they carry out social distancing. Out of 30 customers today I interacted with about 6 and kept a good 6 foot between us.

[johnny bravo]

I would find it too embarrassing ,    staying home  is hard when you know you can be making money. But  the police may send you home .  our work is not Essential   .  Name Essential work to keep our towns and Hospitals running
      I  like  most now wont be  working.       

[Missing Link]

I would find it too embarrassing ,    staying home  is hard when you know you can be making money. But  the police may send you home .  our work is not Essential   .  Name Essential work to keep our towns and Hospitals running
      I  like  most now wont be  working.     

You're confused.  The word 'essential' isn't even used.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf

[Missing Link]

Housing minister has Saudi construction workers...they can carry in as long as they carry out social distancing. Out of 30 customers today I interacted with about 6 and kept a good 6 foot between us. 👍

There's a new housing estate being built by us.  The builders are not social distancing.

[G Griffin]

"You must stay at home" - pretty unambiguous IMO.

I thought so......but he never mention tradding with an HMan modification, did he?
I don't like the modded but I got what he meant and I'm willing to do it.

[Missing Link]

"You must stay at home" - pretty unambiguous IMO.

There's four exceptions.

Travel to work is one of them, if you can't work from home.

These are the rules: 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf

[Missing Link]

Because they can't. Yet. It is unprecedented.
Schools were open last week and now they are not. It can change like that.

Maybe, but it hasn't in Spain.

I guess it all depends on the boffins and the 'curve'.

[G Griffin]

"You must stay at home" - pretty unambiguous IMO.

There's four exceptions.

Travel to work is one of them, if you can't work from home.

These are the rules: 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf

Rules?
There'll be laws coming in. 329 pages. I doubt they'll mention window cleaning but ignorance might not be the best defence.

[Missing Link]

Rules?
There'll be laws coming in. 329 pages. I doubt they'll mention window cleaning but ignorance might not be the best defence.

The ignorance is on your part, bonny lad.

What's confusing you about this?

"Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home."

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf

[G Griffin]

Rules?
There'll be laws coming in. 329 pages. I doubt they'll mention window cleaning but ignorance might not be the best defence.

The ignorance is on your part, bonny lad.

What's confusing you about this?

"Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home."

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf

It was a speech, ffs.
You keep going on about rules. It's not a playground game.
We'll know more when the laws come out and even then there'll be discrepancies.

[Missing Link]

It was a speech, ffs.
You keep going on about rules. It's not a playground game.
We'll know more when the laws come out and even then there'll be discrepancies.

And here's the official government guidance:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf

"Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home."

What is confusing you, Griff?

[Ooooooog]

I hate to agree with Tosh but he is correct.

[neiljoust]

Key workers only it’s on the website

[Missing Link]

Key workers only it’s on the website

That was a mistake; it's been deleted and amended without the key worker part.

[John Mart]

It’s like everything else this government does. A total balls up. The PM’s website had a video that said “key workers” only that then got changed. I have a screenshot. Hopeless.

[John Mart]

Here’s the original.

[Shrek]

https://twitter.com/10downingstreet/status/1242216260022173697?s=21

[John Mart]

So on that I stood everyone down but have done an about turn.

[G Griffin]

I'm not confused.
It's a guidance because they've got nothing else in place. Yet. Why are they going to have something else in place? Because it's serious enough to introduce new laws.
Knock yourselves out before the new laws come in. You might not spread the virus anyway.

[Missing Link]

I hate to agree with Tosh but he is correct.

Thank you.

Now is the time for good information, not stuff people make up in their own heads.

[Missing Link]

I'm not confused.
It's a guidance because they've got nothing else in place. Yet. Why are they going to have something else in place? Because it's serious enough to introduce new laws.
Knock yourselves out before the new laws come in. You might not spread the virus anyway.

You still sound confused, Griff.

[Peter67]

[G Griffin]

I'm not confused.
It's a guidance because they've got nothing else in place. Yet. Why are they going to have something else in place? Because it's serious enough to introduce new laws.
Knock yourselves out before the new laws come in. You might not spread the virus anyway.

You still sound confused, Griff.

I'm not confused at all. It's not me hanging on to what he says about going to work or not.
I know he can't stop us. Yet. And he might never be able to stop us.
There'll be more confusion by Thursday but not for me.

[lee_dewing]

Thanks very much for that link tosh

I will be working until things change again 🤔
As who knows how long this will last

This is or was what Italy was saying
Lock down but people still working

Obviously I’m social distancing
Wearing gloves 🧤

Customer said to me that her son is a teacher in Japan
They shut all schools in January
He went back to work this week

So signs some countries maybe starting the road to recovery

[Missing Link]

I'm not confused at all. It's not me hanging on to what he says about going to work or not.
I know he can't stop us. Yet. And he might never be able to stop us.
There'll be more confusion by Thursday but not for me.

Boris isn't trying to stop us going to work.  He says that we should work from home if we can, if not we can travel to work.

That's not stopping us from working.

You sound confused.

[Missing Link]

Customer said to me that her son is a teacher in Japan
They shut all schools in January
He went back to work this week

So signs some countries maybe starting the road to recovery

It'll probably be more like numbers rise, lock down, numbers drop, release from lock down.  Repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat.

12 to 18 months for a vaccine. 

[NWH]

I don’t think some people are reading into it enough,do you actually need it spelling out to you if your job is important enough and you need to travel to work that’s fine ie key worker.
It goes without saying that if you are going to be cleaning windows is that really classed as important,can people at the moment go without there windows being cleaned,I think they can.
What are people gonna clean shop windows 😂 there’s no shops open and even if they were open I don’t think having clean windows is gonna help much,you’ve just got to suck it up at the moment lol.

[Stoots]

For some reason us window cleaners panic about everything.

Ask yourself if you were an employee working in say a factory or and office or any non keyworker role.

And you heard that speech, would you be going in to work tomorrow?

I can guarantee you would, because he never said you cant.

So why are we making this into something it's not.

The speech was poorly worded but it was still pretty obvious what was meant if you weren't looking for an excuse to shut shop.

[NWH]

If you go to work tomorrow you may as well go with all those other 1000s of people and walk round the Lake District hand in hand,I’ll speak to Boris tomorrow and tell him to say window cleaners can’t work as well so they get the message 😂

[G Griffin]

I'm not confused at all. It's not me hanging on to what he says about going to work or not.
I know he can't stop us. Yet. And he might never be able to stop us.
There'll be more confusion by Thursday but not for me.

Boris isn't trying to stop us going to work.  He says that we should work from home if we can, if not we can travel to work.

That's not stopping us from working.

You sound confused.

I never said he was trying to stop us. I don't think he's in a position to. Yet. Discourage us, yes.
He's stopped a lot of others though, hasn't he?
He's going to step this up, I guarantee you that. He might not name window cleaners but there'll be further measures taken.

[Missing Link]

I never said he was trying to stop us. I don't think he's in a position to. Yet. Discourage us, yes.
He's stopped a lot of others though, hasn't he?
He's going to step this up, I guarantee you that. He might not name window cleaners but there'll be further measures taken.

No, Boris isn't stopping anyone from WORKING.  He's trying to discourage people from TRAVELLING to work if they have other options. 

And to stop people socialising.

You sound confused.

[G Griffin]

No, Boris isn't stopping anyone from WORKING.

You are confused.

[CleanClear]

I never said he was trying to stop us. I don't think he's in a position to. Yet. Discourage us, yes.
He's stopped a lot of others though, hasn't he?
He's going to step this up, I guarantee you that. He might not name window cleaners but there'll be further measures taken.

No, Boris isn't stopping anyone from WORKING.  He's trying to discourage people from TRAVELLING to work if they have other options. 

And to stop people socialising.

You sound confused.

I'll give you his message in a very much shorter sentence.........    Stay at Home.

[p1w1]

I see sports direct say they are not going to close, because people will need sports clothes to exercise. Let's see how long that last.

[G Griffin]

I see sports direct say they are not going to close, because people will need sports clothes to exercise. Let's see how long that last.

It'll be interesting.
Boris just made an appeal, tonight, before the new laws come in.
He can't just tell anyone whether they can work or not because of the coronavirus. Yet.

[CleanClear]

I've had email from Matalan, they're closing at 6pm tomorrow. So they're opening in the morning. Currys/ PcWorld say this:

We’re racing to put in express checkouts, kerbside collection and the contact-free, drive-thru shop this week, all of which will put even more safe distance between colleagues and customers. Where we need to limit customer access to the store to keep everyone safe, we will. And if we have to close stores for a time, we’ll do that too.

Right now our stores are open, but things are changing fast, and you can check before you go by visiting our online store finder.

Both emails came AFTER BoJo's announcement.

[LT carpet cleaning]

I think three weeks is just the start. Boris has read the Hobbit. The dwarves come to Bilbo’s house in twos and threes. All at once would be too much of a shock.
He is easing us into it. I think 12 weeks will be more like it.

Minimum. Expect this for 6 months.

[LT carpet cleaning]

I see sports direct say they are not going to close, because people will need sports clothes to exercise. Let's see how long that last.

It'll be interesting.
Boris just made an appeal, tonight, before the new laws come in.
He can't just tell anyone whether they can work or not because of the coronavirus. Yet.

Not yet, but I suspect there’s emergency legislation that could be rushed through the Lords and enshrined in law in an extremely short period of time. Say, end of the week.

[G Griffin]

I've had email from Matalan, they're closing at 6pm tomorrow. So they're opening in the morning. Currys/ PcWorld say this:

We’re racing to put in express checkouts, kerbside collection and the contact-free, drive-thru shop this week, all of which will put even more safe distance between colleagues and customers. Where we need to limit customer access to the store to keep everyone safe, we will. And if we have to close stores for a time, we’ll do that too.

Right now our stores are open, but things are changing fast, and you can check before you go by visiting our online store finder.

Both emails came AFTER BoJo's announcement.

The bit in red says a lot.
I can't believe people didn't pick up more from the announcement. I think there might be a lot of window cleaners changing fast in the next few days, as well.

[G Griffin]

I see sports direct say they are not going to close, because people will need sports clothes to exercise. Let's see how long that last.

It'll be interesting.
Boris just made an appeal, tonight, before the new laws come in.
He can't just tell anyone whether they can work or not because of the coronavirus. Yet.

Not yet, but I suspect there’s emergency legislation that could be rushed through the Lords and enshrined in law in an extremely short period of time. Say, end of the week.

If not sooner.

[LT carpet cleaning]

I see sports direct say they are not going to close, because people will need sports clothes to exercise. Let's see how long that last.

It'll be interesting.
Boris just made an appeal, tonight, before the new laws come in.
He can't just tell anyone whether they can work or not because of the coronavirus. Yet.

Not yet, but I suspect there’s emergency legislation that could be rushed through the Lords and enshrined in law in an extremely short period of time. Say, end of the week.

If not sooner.

He will give it a few days, let the initial hardship sink in and then, Friday I reckon, drop the massive bombshell. Police to have extraordinary powers etc. Nothing remotely like this situation has ever occurred in the UK before and will require incredible management.

A few shops being closed and woolly statements won’t “ do it” for very long. People just don’t listen. A North Korea approach will be used.

Happy days 

[G Griffin]

We're going to need a lot more police officers, too.
It's going to be devastating, this, before it's done.

[KS Cleaning]

We're going to need a lot more police officers, too.
It's going to be devastating, this, before it's done.

All leave has been cancelled, there has also been an appeal for special constables to come forward, if that doesn’t suffice I’m sure the army will have a roll to play.

[Pete Thompson]

We're going to need a lot more police officers, too.
It's going to be devastating, this, before it's done.

Lol drama queen.

Keep calm and carry on.

We can work at present, so work!

Boris may decide that eventually workers who can’t work from home must shut down for a time, but it looks like they’ll pay self employed workers 80% of their usual earnings.

Employees are getting 80% of their usual earnings.

All banks are offering mortgage payment holidays. All tenants are being protected from eviction, even if they don’t pay their rent.

Supermarkets will continue to deliver food and groceries (of which there is no shortage)

This is where we reap the benefits of living in a rich, stable country.

I think you just need to chill.

[LT carpet cleaning]

We're going to need a lot more police officers, too.
It's going to be devastating, this, before it's done.

Lol drama queen.

Keep calm and carry on.

We can work at present, so work!

Boris may decide that eventually workers who can’t work from home must shut down for a time, but it looks like they’ll pay self employed workers 80% of their usual earnings.

Employees are getting 80% of their usual earnings.

All banks are offering mortgage payment holidays. All tenants are being protected from eviction, even if they don’t pay their rent.

Supermarkets will continue to deliver food and groceries (of which there is no shortage)

This is where we reap the benefits of living in a rich, stable country.

I think you just need to chill.

Alternatively, you need to take your head out the sand and prepare for an extremely uncomfortable few years.

That will be the reality.

[neiljoust]

Ffs what don’t you understand , basically we are just window cleaners so stay at home or go shopping with them other numptys

[Jonny Swirljet]

I have an email i send to custards the day before i'm due to work at their houses. Its a basic document allowing them to postpone/defer  if  they feel that is necessary in the current climate. I also point out that my activities need no personal contact with them.

The email is longer than the example above but that's the flavour of it

If necessary i can print it out and produce it to any jobsworth bureaucrat, should i be challenged by them

This is good for me but i realise you guys with big rounds this would be impossible. 

[harleyman]

i am sorry but this is not essential work  just do the right thing this is not a rehearsal this is the real deal wake up .......... shuerly  every body in this game as a rainy day fund.

[wayne m]

This wasn’t a very clear speech and I’m sure lots of you will be going to work but let’s be clear we all need to do this together to stop this or it will last MUCH LONGER  and will effect our business even more and more people lose jobs who then can’t pay their window cleaner in the future. Lots of people dying, nhs staff working long hours and at critical condition not enough ventilators or beds so I’m sure we can all stay at home and wait for an update from Boris later or this week?  Most people surely has enough put by for times like this or even when they go on holiday costing thousands and the money lost while away so no different in that respect. I will be having time off and wait to hear more from Boris and rishi

[jason hodkin]

Morning everyone, as it stands I believe there is no right or wrong when it comes to deciding whether or not to work.
Has the pm's speech banned us from working, probably not HOWEVER
The main message is STAY AT HOME!!
If your financial position leaves you with no choice then, until the government put something in place,keep working
Personally I will treat the next couple of weeks as my annual holiday  ( not like we will be able to go anywhere this year anyway).
STAY SAFE,  STAY AT HOME

[JackieW]

''There's no law that they can stop anyone working yet but I think they're pretty clear. The more people that stay at home, the less people will die.''

[Oliver James]

This is from the govt website:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874738/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf

[Ascjim]

I heard if you can't by any means work from home and its essential that you go out, then carry on.  It's essential that we work outside because you can't clean from home, that's what he's saying.

I had a job to check today but I won't be going because it's not essential. But the guys are out working today because they can't do it from home.

Social distancing needs to be applied, but when your off work you stay home, simples.

It will prob all change by the end of the week, so make the most of it.

I do have a photo of BBC news explaining it but I can't seem to upload it.

[Shrek]

Martin Lewis put on Twitter at midnight (and he’s pretty knowledgeable)

https://twitter.com/martinslewis/status/1242243747414507522?s=21

[G Griffin]

Martin Lewis put on Twitter at midnight (and he’s pretty knowledgeable)

https://twitter.com/martinslewis/status/1242243747414507522?s=21

But he asked government to clarify.
Boris can't shut us down. He can't force us to socially distance, And he can't force us to wash our hands.

[Paul-kent]

I’m going to work because I have to put food on the table if the government wants me to stay home they will need to help me financially

I never take holidays other than two week at Xmas

[capn sparkle]

This thread started less than three days ago ... Imagine what the next three weeks are gonna be about!

Them 'good old boys in the woods' must be loving this.

Guns, lots of guns and then more guns. Squeal piggy -squeal!!

On the plus side I'm just an unemployed window cleaner hiding out in the woods