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Clean Cloth

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Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« on: June 18, 2019, 08:15:08 pm »
I clean this bungalow every 2nd Monday early morning, once before after I had got my tool belt on and the small steps to reach the porch out of the vehicle she said "don't clean them today, I am going out".

Afterwards I thought of all the clever things to say to her but at the time I was fairly new to window cleaning and was annoyed so just turned away and cleaned her neighbours properties.

This Monday she said "don't clean them today as a lot of rain is forecast the rest of the week. can you come back next week".
It was lovely and sunny yesterday and today in the easy midlands, what a waste.

Despite being a 2 weekly clean I do not want to get turned away again so want to lose her but I clean the properties either side of her and do not want to lose them.

How would you deal with the situation?

P @ F

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Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2019, 08:19:06 pm »
DUMP or hate yourself forever
I'm so lazy I'm getting tired of it !

Spruce

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Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2019, 08:21:14 pm »
I clean this bungalow every 2nd Monday early morning, once before after I had got my tool belt on and the small steps to reach the porch out of the vehicle she said "don't clean them today, I am going out".

Afterwards I thought of all the clever things to say to her but at the time I was fairly new to window cleaning and was annoyed so just turned away and cleaned her neighbours properties.

This Monday she said "don't clean them today as a lot of rain is forecast the rest of the week. can you come back next week".
It was lovely and sunny yesterday and today in the easy midlands, what a waste.

Despite being a 2 weekly clean I do not want to get turned away again so want to lose her but I clean the properties either side of her and do not want to lose them.

How would you deal with the situation?

Skip the house from now on. When she comes out to ask you why she has been missed, tell her that rain/snow/wind is forecast for later so you are know she won't want them doing because of the changing weather.

Even if you want me to do them today I'm afraid I haven't scheduled a clean for your house today. The earliest I can do them is when I do the round next, weather permitting.
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tlwcs

  • Posts: 2051
Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2019, 08:25:28 pm »
It’s your business.
 Tell the neighbours she cancels you because it looks like rain. They will understand you need to make a living. I have told neighbours of messes before that I only have so much time a day and I can fill it with people who support me.
Drop her and move on, she will get the message. 

Stoots

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Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2019, 08:37:15 pm »
Do whatever you want really.

If I cleaned either side anyway I'd say no problem catch you next time.

You will be there anyway next month so skin off your nose to clean her next time.

Or just dump her


Whatever it's your choice

Spruce

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Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2019, 08:39:04 pm »
It’s your business.
 Tell the neighbours she cancels you because it looks like rain. They will understand you need to make a living. I have told neighbours of messes before that I only have so much time a day and I can fill it with people who support me.
Drop her and move on, she will get the message.

Very really do messers become good customers. Its usually the other way around. Messers usually just move on and mess another window cleaner around. They very really learn from their past experiences. Its always someone elses fault, never theirs.

So I'm incline to agree with you; just let them go. Unfortunately they might try to get even and vandalise your van so its always good to tread carefully.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

The Jester of Wibbly

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Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2019, 08:44:02 pm »
Do you text the day before?  This would prevent being turned away at the door.  If you sent a text and then got turned away at the door, it's an instant dump.

If they text you to say don't bother because of the rain. Have a template ready to send back to them regarding  rain water and how it makes no difference.  9 times out of 10 they will be fine and won't ever ask again.  Educate and manage your customers.
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tlwcs

  • Posts: 2051
Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2019, 09:04:16 pm »
It’s your business.
 Tell the neighbours she cancels you because it looks like rain. They will understand you need to make a living. I have told neighbours of messes before that I only have so much time a day and I can fill it with people who support me.
Drop her and move on, she will get the message[/color

Very really do messers become good customers. Its usually the other way around. Messers usually just move on and mess another window cleaner around. They very really learn from their past experiences. Its always someone elses fault, never theirs.

So I'm incline to agree with you; just let them go. Unfortunately they might try to get even and vandalise your van so its always good to tread carefully.

Bl00dy hell Spruce, there’s some hardcore oaps in your area 😁

Shrek

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Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2019, 09:06:42 pm »
I think she doesn’t want you to clean her windows, getting turned away for such trivial things is unforgivable in my eyes. Maybe she doesn’t want to hurt your feelings by saying your sacked or she doesn’t know how you’ll react , so instead she’ll fob you off .
Just dump , you’ll be glad you did

Johnny B

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Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2019, 12:03:33 am »
I clean this bungalow every 2nd Monday early morning, once before after I had got my tool belt on and the small steps to reach the porch out of the vehicle she said "don't clean them today, I am going out".

Afterwards I thought of all the clever things to say to her but at the time I was fairly new to window cleaning and was annoyed so just turned away and cleaned her neighbours properties.

This Monday she said "don't clean them today as a lot of rain is forecast the rest of the week. can you come back next week".
It was lovely and sunny yesterday and today in the easy midlands, what a waste.

Despite being a 2 weekly clean I do not want to get turned away again so want to lose her but I clean the properties either side of her and do not want to lose them.

How would you deal with the situation?

I would leave them, carry on doing the neighbours' and have a response ready for when or if she asks why she is being 'overlooked'.

John
Being diplomatic is being able to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip.

Soupy

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Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2019, 05:47:14 am »
Why are you cleaning them every two weeks. Surely that's too often?
Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it - George Orwell

colin bird

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Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2019, 05:50:34 am »
Maybe she wants a four weekly  clean instead of two weekly so she's always looking for ways to stop you cleaning to save a few quid

AuRavelling79

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Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2019, 06:21:14 am »
I had one (a dumpee) text me yesterday.

Gist of texts ...

Mrs C: I haven't seen you for a long time - are you still cleaning windows?
Me: I am - last time you told me not to clean as the dogs were in the garden so I took it you didn't appreciate my service and as it has taken a year for you to contact me it seems I was right.

Mrs C: Oh I didn't mean for you to stop completely, I was happy with your window cleaning will you resume cleaning please?
Me: I can do that on the basis that I don't get turned away and that it will cost more as they haven't been cleaned for 12 months.

Mrs C: I think that's completely over the top - I had my sick friends dog's round and I was struggling to look after them. If that's how it's going to be then I'd rather you didn't clean my windows. Sorry to bother you!
Me: Wise decision, Mrs C.  It was no bother; I appreciate the opportunity to explain how turning a window cleaner away upon arrival is not acceptable without good reason. I wish you all the best for the future and hope you find a window cleaner that can accommodate your requirements.
 
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deeege

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Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2019, 06:32:12 am »
I had one (a dumpee) text me yesterday.

Gist of texts ...

Mrs C: I haven't seen you for a long time - are you still cleaning windows?
Me: I am - last time you told me not to clean as the dogs were in the garden so I took it you didn't appreciate my service and as it has taken a year for you to contact me it seems I was right.

Mrs C: Oh I didn't mean for you to stop completely, I was happy with your window cleaning will you resume cleaning please?
Me: I can do that on the basis that I don't get turned away and that it will cost more as they haven't been cleaned for 12 months.

Mrs C: I think that's completely over the top - I had my sick friends dog's round and I was struggling to look after them. If that's how it's going to be then I'd rather you didn't clean my windows. Sorry to bother you!
Me: Wise decision, Mrs C.  It was no bother; I appreciate the opportunity to explain how turning a window cleaner away upon arrival is not acceptable without good reason. I wish you all the best for the future and hope you find a window cleaner that can accommodate your requirements.

Your tone here seems a bit passive aggressive I think Gold. I usually enjoy your ‘flounce’ stories but this one not so much.

Me personally I’d just skip this customer, in a few weeks/months when she asks why I’m not  cleaning her windows anymore I’d just explain that it’s a set frequency or not at all. She’d then get her final chance going back on the round. The next ‘not today’ she’d be dropped for good.
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AuRavelling79

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Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2019, 06:51:25 am »
Well deege - if you read it carefully you can see that she has made the decision after a year of me leaving her out and skipping her.

I was prepared to take her back on the terms I set out; no doorstep cancellations. She said that was "completely over the top" - so she wasn't prepared to go with my terms and I certainly am not prepared to have her on my round.

It's a game of three halves!

Shrek

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Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2019, 06:59:11 am »
I think as time gets on and we have been doing this many years, we just care less for messers.
I had a customer of about 5 years txt me back yesterday saying thanks for your services but are no longer needed at hers and her mums. Long story short, their dog went crazy every time I went round. The last few months the dog has been allowed out by ‘accident ‘ and make a run for me nearly attacking me . I told her if it attack’s me il have no option but to report it which they could end up getting sued and or the dog euthanised .
I don’t think she took it well though, I wished her all the best and am so damn happy I never have to go back again  ;D

markymark

  • Posts: 151
Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2019, 07:49:42 am »
I clean this bungalow every 2nd Monday early morning, once before after I had got my tool belt on and the small steps to reach the porch out of the vehicle she said "don't clean them today, I am going out".

Afterwards I thought of all the clever things to say to her but at the time I was fairly new to window cleaning and was annoyed so just turned away and cleaned her neighbours properties.

This Monday she said "don't clean them today as a lot of rain is forecast the rest of the week. can you come back next week".
It was lovely and sunny yesterday and today in the easy midlands, what a waste.

Despite being a 2 weekly clean I do not want to get turned away again so want to lose her but I clean the properties either side of her and do not want to lose them.

How would you deal with the situation?

Depending on my mood (and if I can be bothered) I ask the customer who I should be checking the forecast with - BBC, met office, yr.no, accuweather? Then I ask how far in advance I should check - a day, three days, a week? Then I ask how much rain - 2mm? 5mm? 1 metre?
Then a quick recap for example "So you want me to check BBCs 5 day forecast and only clean if they say it's dry for the next week?"
The level of incredulity or sarcasm can be altered to suit each customer.  I know it won't sink in to the average numpty but it makes me feel better.
The good thing about science is that it's true whether you believe it or not.

Soupy

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Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2019, 08:12:52 am »
I had one (a dumpee) text me yesterday.

Gist of texts ...

Mrs C: I haven't seen you for a long time - are you still cleaning windows?
Me: I am - last time you told me not to clean as the dogs were in the garden so I took it you didn't appreciate my service and as it has taken a year for you to contact me it seems I was right.

Mrs C: Oh I didn't mean for you to stop completely, I was happy with your window cleaning will you resume cleaning please?
Me: I can do that on the basis that I don't get turned away and that it will cost more as they haven't been cleaned for 12 months.

Mrs C: I think that's completely over the top - I had my sick friends dog's round and I was struggling to look after them. If that's how it's going to be then I'd rather you didn't clean my windows. Sorry to bother you!
Me: Wise decision, Mrs C.  It was no bother; I appreciate the opportunity to explain how turning a window cleaner away upon arrival is not acceptable without good reason. I wish you all the best for the future and hope you find a window cleaner that can accommodate your requirements.

Now here's a window cleaner with ideas above his station.

Bottom of the heap mate, best place to be.
Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it - George Orwell

Richard iSparkle

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Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2019, 08:12:58 am »
we get practically no people turning us away due to weather.

sometimes a new customer will try to turn us away maybe happens once or twice a year?) but that's it.

if they ask us not to clean we just say we clean whatever the weather. the windows are clean whatever. we'll come back if theres a problem with the quality... but there wont be..

it just comes down to dealing with this type of thing when it arrises and letting the customer know what the service is and how it works. then they cancel themselves if it doesnt suit them, which is fair enough. we all have every right to choose a service that suits us when we are paying for it

i don't see any reason to get involved in spats with customers over things like this. if they want a reliable window cleaner they will appreciate you coming reguarly. if they dont want you every time they can call us out on a one off clean  basis as and when they want (We now charge £65 min for a one off clean so none of them choose that option for some reason!)

i think we have to show goodwill to customers though. sometimes we will turn up and it wont be convenient. if it happens once thats not really a problem. we'd just clean the front and charge them anyhow. if they complained that theyd been charged full price i'd happily refund them about 40% but i would explain our terms at that point and let them know next time they will be getting charged full price

it is different as i have chaps cleaning for me. when you are working hard and trying to get your daily work finished things like this can wind you up more, but having clear in your head what your terms of service are, make it easier to keep your game face on  :)
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dazmond

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Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2019, 08:51:50 am »
I clean this bungalow every 2nd Monday early morning, once before after I had got my tool belt on and the small steps to reach the porch out of the vehicle she said "don't clean them today, I am going out".

Afterwards I thought of all the clever things to say to her but at the time I was fairly new to window cleaning and was annoyed so just turned away and cleaned her neighbours properties.

This Monday she said "don't clean them today as a lot of rain is forecast the rest of the week. can you come back next week".
It was lovely and sunny yesterday and today in the easy midlands, what a waste.

Despite being a 2 weekly clean I do not want to get turned away again so want to lose her but I clean the properties either side of her and do not want to lose them.

How would you deal with the situation?

every customer that has ever said that to me has been dumped on the spot,i never go back..........its only happened to me around half a dozen times in 26 years though! ;D

its not stopped me from building a good profitable round at all.......you dont need customers like these,get rid....... 8)
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Susan Dean (1stclean)

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Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2019, 09:50:04 am »
dump her and say northing every time she see you and says are you doing mind today , shout back not today luv and carry on been doing this to a one now for a while took six months before she stopped asking  ;D

nathankaye

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Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2019, 09:54:15 am »
Firstly I don't see the need to go every two weeks on trad.  I never did or offered 2wkly as an option when I was trad.  Why limit yourself?  Bang the price up to an appropriate 4weekky price and this will solve half the issues.  Also don't use detergents like washing up liquids which leave a soapy residue and muck up the windows when it rains!  This will also solve some of your issues.   Then your free to take on more work and more money.

Many sblack person at the idea of a welcome pack, but this also helps make you stand out, but also it has your written terms on it, ie  you work in the rain as it adds no I'll effect (also on trad if you use correct cleaning fluid).
In four years since I switched to wfp and worked in the rain, I have only dumped one customer at the very begining. He asked me not to clean due to the rain, the month before I posted a letter to all my customers explaining the new method I was using and why I will work in the rain. I reminded the chap of said letter and he said yes he knew that, but it's raining (a light drizzle as well). So I kindly told him that I hadn't invested in new equipment to enable me to work in all weather's for nothing and that he's best suited to get someone who doesn't mind messing about.
That was the first and last person I ever lost due to working in the rain.  All my customers know I work in the rain and all have experienced me doing so and have seen the truth in the statement.

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nathankaye

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Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2019, 09:56:48 am »
Never just dump a customer without having the balls n dignity to explain why in a calm and polite/professional manner.   This saves any confusion and stops the constant asking. If anyone asks in the street, just explain and this will reinforce your stance in their minds as well, so it's a win win.
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Clean Cloth

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Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2019, 10:22:08 am »
To the couple of posters that asked why I cleaned them every 2 weeks, it is because I told her I am round every 28 days but she requested I do them every 14 days, I had only been in business a couple of months so welcomed it and the extra money. I also have another customer in another area who requested a 2 weekly clean and it suits me fine.
Believe it or not I have a customer that wants the windows cleaned every week. Apparently where they used to live they used to have their windows cleaned every week too.

95% of my customers are 4 weekly, I have a few 8 weekly customers which I also don't mind.

Back on topic, the rain she mentioned did not arrive anyway.


I will not go back especially for her next week. If she telephones me I will be calm and say, because you have turned me away without warning twice now I will clean you neighbours and if you want yours cleaned you can come out and ask me. I will need payment on the day of the clean from now on though(she used to often say "I have not been to the cash point yet, can I drop it in later?" She never did drop it in later and owed me for 3 cleans 2 weeks ago. Now seems like a good opportunity to lose her or hopefully she will drop me when she hears what I have to say.

On another note, she does have a reputation for being punchy, so yes I will park my car across the street from now on in front of a friend of mine.


Crystal-clear

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Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2019, 10:47:18 am »
Depends where he is Remote parts of northern Britain 2 weekly is actually not too uncommon.
That's because the cleans are cheap. And window cleaning is almost embedded in culture. Some of the streets we work in have almost 1 window cleaner per house. Up north It's Not Unusual to have the whole street or have clusters  of houses on a street or an estate.

jay moley

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Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2019, 12:35:40 pm »
I allow one skipped clean but dump if they cancel for a second time.

I have to be more flexible as I'm still not at full capacity.

If I were you I'd dump this customer tho as she's mucked you around a few times.

Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2019, 03:35:07 pm »
I had one (a dumpee) text me yesterday.

Gist of texts ...

Mrs C: I haven't seen you for a long time - are you still cleaning windows?
Me: I am - last time you told me not to clean as the dogs were in the garden so I took it you didn't appreciate my service and as it has taken a year for you to contact me it seems I was right.

Mrs C: Oh I didn't mean for you to stop completely, I was happy with your window cleaning will you resume cleaning please?
Me: I can do that on the basis that I don't get turned away and that it will cost more as they haven't been cleaned for 12 months.

Mrs C: I think that's completely over the top - I had my sick friends dog's round and I was struggling to look after them. If that's how it's going to be then I'd rather you didn't clean my windows. Sorry to bother you!
Me: Wise decision, Mrs C.  It was no bother; I appreciate the opportunity to explain how turning a window cleaner away upon arrival is not acceptable without good reason. I wish you all the best for the future and hope you find a window cleaner that can accommodate your requirements.

You clean her windows, you don’t represent her legally. What a lot of waffle!

dazmond

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Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2019, 04:10:41 pm »
To the couple of posters that asked why I cleaned them every 2 weeks, it is because I told her I am round every 28 days but she requested I do them every 14 days, I had only been in business a couple of months so welcomed it and the extra money. I also have another customer in another area who requested a 2 weekly clean and it suits me fine.
Believe it or not I have a customer that wants the windows cleaned every week. Apparently where they used to live they used to have their windows cleaned every week too.

95% of my customers are 4 weekly, I have a few 8 weekly customers which I also don't mind.

Back on topic, the rain she mentioned did not arrive anyway.


I will not go back especially for her next week. If she telephones me I will be calm and say, because you have turned me away without warning twice now I will clean you neighbours and if you want yours cleaned you can come out and ask me. I will need payment on the day of the clean from now on though(she used to often say "I have not been to the cash point yet, can I drop it in later?" She never did drop it in later and owed me for 3 cleans 2 weeks ago. Now seems like a good opportunity to lose her or hopefully she will drop me when she hears what I have to say.

On another note, she does have a reputation for being punchy, so yes I will park my car across the street from now on in front of a friend of mine.

shes a bad payer too?just dump her for Gods sake!also get a SumUp card machine so if any other customer says they have no money just pull out the machine,their face is a picture,no escaping paying you now! :D :D
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AuRavelling79

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Re: Not today, a lot rain is forecast this week.
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2019, 04:53:26 pm »
I had one (a dumpee) text me yesterday.

Gist of texts ...

Mrs C: I haven't seen you for a long time - are you still cleaning windows?
Me: I am - last time you told me not to clean as the dogs were in the garden so I took it you didn't appreciate my service and as it has taken a year for you to contact me it seems I was right.

Mrs C: Oh I didn't mean for you to stop completely, I was happy with your window cleaning will you resume cleaning please?
Me: I can do that on the basis that I don't get turned away and that it will cost more as they haven't been cleaned for 12 months.

Mrs C: I think that's completely over the top - I had my sick friends dog's round and I was struggling to look after them. If that's how it's going to be then I'd rather you didn't clean my windows. Sorry to bother you!
Me: Wise decision, Mrs C.  It was no bother; I appreciate the opportunity to explain how turning a window cleaner away upon arrival is not acceptable without good reason. I wish you all the best for the future and hope you find a window cleaner that can accommodate your requirements.

You clean her windows, you don’t represent her legally. What a lot of waffle!

Lot of waffle? How very dare you?! That was the edited version too!  ;D
It's a game of three halves!