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Crystal-clear

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Ive been using other standard chemicals bubbles up the glass helps a lot with first cleans then just rinses off nicely.

but I got some virsol today in a little spray bottle (neat with out water) sprayed on brush and did my own windows came up lovely I understand you must make sure its all rinsed well and mustn't remain on glass or pvc am I right then simple as that? can be a nice little chemical instead of the usual ones ive been using to help with first cleans and stuff or is there anything I'm missing or need to be careful about with it?

Splash & dash

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2018, 09:25:24 pm »
Ive been using other standard chemicals bubbles up the glass helps a lot with first cleans then just rinses off nicely.

but I got some virsol today in a little spray bottle (neat with out water) sprayed on brush and did my own windows came up lovely I understand you must make sure its all rinsed well and mustn't remain on glass or pvc am I right then simple as that? can be a nice little chemical instead of the usual ones ive been using to help with first cleans and stuff or is there anything I'm missing or need to be careful about with it?

Using Virosol neat can and will stain white upvc brown/yellow , you don’t need to use it any stronger than 10/1 , if applying it like you say you might get away with it but it takes a lot longer to rinse and remove the sticky film that using it neat causes especially if rinsing with cold water , it’s also a waist of product , as it won’t clean any better

Crystal-clear

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2018, 09:34:58 pm »
Ive been using other standard chemicals bubbles up the glass helps a lot with first cleans then just rinses off nicely.

but I got some virsol today in a little spray bottle (neat with out water) sprayed on brush and did my own windows came up lovely I understand you must make sure its all rinsed well and mustn't remain on glass or pvc am I right then simple as that? can be a nice little chemical instead of the usual ones ive been using to help with first cleans and stuff or is there anything I'm missing or need to be careful about with it?

Using Virosol neat can and will stain white upvc brown/yellow , you don’t need to use it any stronger than 10/1 , if applying it like you say you might get away with it but it takes a lot longer to rinse and remove the sticky film that using it neat causes especially if rinsing with cold water , it’s also a waist of product , as it won’t clean any better

Hi. So you're saying apply it 1 to every 10th of the bottle and thats alot safer generally nothing to worry about.
im presuming as long as everything is rinsed off there is nothing to worry about?

Splash & dash

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2018, 10:00:28 pm »
Ive been using other standard chemicals bubbles up the glass helps a lot with first cleans then just rinses off nicely.

but I got some virsol today in a little spray bottle (neat with out water) sprayed on brush and did my own windows came up lovely I understand you must make sure its all rinsed well and mustn't remain on glass or pvc am I right then simple as that? can be a nice little chemical instead of the usual ones ive been using to help with first cleans and stuff or is there anything I'm missing or need to be careful about with it?

Using Virosol neat can and will stain white upvc brown/yellow , you don’t need to use it any stronger than 10/1 , if applying it like you say you might get away with it but it takes a lot longer to rinse and remove the sticky film that using it neat causes especially if rinsing with cold water , it’s also a waist of product , as it won’t clean any better

Hi. So you're saying apply it 1 to every 10th of the bottle and thats alot safer generally nothing to worry about.
im presuming as long as everything is rinsed off there is nothing to worry about?



We mix 1 ltr of virosol to 10 ltr of water works well and Evan if it dries on the glass or plastic  in over 10 years of using it I haven’t had any problems , using it neat can and does cause problems , just poor some neat on to concrete or tarmac and see what happens 😂😂😂😂 using it diluted it also rinses offmuch easier

paul alan

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2018, 10:05:37 pm »
There probably is some danger to it, especially if not taking care.

I was using it for like a year or two and never had an issue, keep it wet.

I've been using caustic TFR all day today 2-1 "0" problems.

Spray the brush, go up and jet the windows and frames till soaked, scrub it in good. Super scrape the glass while its sitting then scrub and rinse till gone.

Crystal-clear

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2018, 10:05:41 pm »
Ive been using other standard chemicals bubbles up the glass helps a lot with first cleans then just rinses off nicely.

but I got some virsol today in a little spray bottle (neat with out water) sprayed on brush and did my own windows came up lovely I understand you must make sure its all rinsed well and mustn't remain on glass or pvc am I right then simple as that? can be a nice little chemical instead of the usual ones ive been using to help with first cleans and stuff or is there anything I'm missing or need to be careful about with it?

Using Virosol neat can and will stain white upvc brown/yellow , you don’t need to use it any stronger than 10/1 , if applying it like you say you might get away with it but it takes a lot longer to rinse and remove the sticky film that using it neat causes especially if rinsing with cold water , it’s also a waist of product , as it won’t clean any better

Hi. So you're saying apply it 1 to every 10th of the bottle and thats alot safer generally nothing to worry about.
im presuming as long as everything is rinsed off there is nothing to worry about?



We mix 1 ltr of virosol to 10 ltr of water works well and Evan if it dries on the glass or plastic  in over 10 years of using it I haven’t had any problems , using it neat can and does cause problems , just poor some neat on to concrete or tarmac and see what happens 😂😂😂😂 using it diluted it also rinses offmuch easier

ok cheers mate ill return it to the main container i have a 500ml spray bottle so ill just work it about 1 to 10 50 to 450 sort of ml

Crystal-clear

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2018, 10:07:23 pm »
There probably is some danger to it, especially if not taking care.

I was using it for like a year or two and never had an issue, keep it wet.

I've been using caustic TFR all day today 2-1 "0" problems.

Spray the brush, go up and jet the windows and frames till soaked, scrub it in good. Super scrape the glass while its sitting then scrub and rinse till gone.
wait scarpe? you dont mean going up a ladder do you  :D ?

paul alan

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2018, 07:58:27 am »
There probably is some danger to it, especially if not taking care.

I was using it for like a year or two and never had an issue, keep it wet.

I've been using caustic TFR all day today 2-1 "0" problems.

Spray the brush, go up and jet the windows and frames till soaked, scrub it in good. Super scrape the glass while its sitting then scrub and rinse till gone.
wait scarpe? you dont mean going up a ladder do you  :D ?

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2018, 10:04:04 am »
No question about chemicals is silly or daft.  In fact if more people bothered to check there would be less cock ups.  Technically all surfaces that have been treated with chemicals should be rinsed with clean water or a pH Neutral product.  However whilst it is always better to rinse where possible leaving the residue of Virosol diluted 10:1 or even better 15:1 probably isn’t going to do much harm to PVC  or Wooden Frames and glass.
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Crystal-clear

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2018, 10:13:51 am »
No question about chemicals is silly or daft.  In fact if more people bothered to check there would be less cock ups.  Technically all surfaces that have been treated with chemicals should be rinsed with clean water or a pH Neutral product.  However whilst it is always better to rinse where possible leaving the residue of Virosol diluted 10:1 or even better 15:1 probably isn’t going to do much harm to PVC  or Wooden Frames and glass.

Mm thank you very much I feel a bit daft asking  for some reason.
I will definitely dilute it I mean I'm now a little bit concerned a lot of people are saying probably most likely won't haven't had any problems I'm a bit worried about it what is it about it I suppose it's very powerful and it can do harm if you don't rinse it off and let it stay

dazmond

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2018, 10:35:29 am »
Virosol is so concentrated anyway I don't know how you could use it neat!I couldn't imagine filling a backpack with it....the bubbles would be unbelievable!a Little goes a long way...

I bought four 5L tubs years ago and I've still got 1 and a half tubs left! ;D
price higher/work harder!

Slacky

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2018, 11:22:38 am »
If you use Virosol on some glass, self-cleaning glass, it can bugger it right up. It’ll come out looking almost like frosted glass

Crystal-clear

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2018, 12:03:09 pm »
If you use Virosol on some glass, self-cleaning glass, it can bugger it right up. It’ll come out looking almost like frosted glass

what the hell u serious? thing is you wont know from looking untill you start cleaning that its self cleaning.. im thinking i wasted my £7.50  :(
am i missing something it cant be worth risking destroying windows or creating basically a builders clean i could just stick to the mainstream stuff that been using to help on first cleans fine for ages,.

Slacky

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2018, 12:32:05 pm »
Yes I am serious.

I’ve used Virosol on two conservatory roofs where the appearance of the glass has deteriorated significantly to the point where it can't be looked through.

Fortunately there is a simple remedy to resolve it but it isn’t compatible with self-cleaning glass.

Slacky

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2018, 12:33:13 pm »
I test a small area before commencing cleaning now.

dazmond

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2018, 01:15:44 pm »
ive used virosol on self cleaning glass roofs before with no problems but i diluted it a fair bit(at least 10 parts water to 1 part virosol) and didnt let it dwell too long but i usually just use hot pure now on any glass roofs and leave the virosol for polycarbon roofs and plastic cleans....
price higher/work harder!

Splash & dash

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2018, 03:17:10 pm »
If you use Virosol on some glass, self-cleaning glass, it can bugger it right up. It’ll come out looking almost like frosted glass




I know you said this before we have used it for 10 years on self cleaning glass at a ratio of 10-1 and never had a problem on any surface with it and we get through 12 twenty ltr drums per year , how did you use it when you had problems ? I evan leave it to dry in the sun on self cleaning glass ,plastics and it’s been fine

Slacky

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2018, 03:21:33 pm »
Can’t remember, but knowing me it would’ve been a lot stronger than 10:1. I usually work with something like 3:1.

P @ F

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2018, 03:36:11 pm »
Can’t remember, but knowing me it would’ve been a lot stronger than 10:1. I usually work with something like 3:1.
You sure you didnt pick up the brake fluid in error  ;D
I'm so lazy I'm getting tired of it !

Crystal-clear

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2018, 04:30:33 pm »
ok so a bit of conflicting opinions

Slacky vs SWR
Do we mix in my little 500ml bottle 10-1  water per virosol and spay it on brush to help with upvc frames and first cleans generally

or do i run for the hills and revert to main stream detergents which i know don't destroy houses 

one of you says 10 years no problems other says problems  ???

Slacky

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2018, 05:09:38 pm »
Im saying potential problems. I tend to use with some hesitancy on glass but its still my 'go to' choice of cleaner.

if you bought Halfords caravan cleaner it probably would do just as good a job without rising the glass but you might have to use neat.

Crystal-clear

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2018, 09:43:05 pm »
Im saying potential problems. I tend to use with some hesitancy on glass but its still my 'go to' choice of cleaner.

if you bought Halfords caravan cleaner it probably would do just as good a job without rising the glass but you might have to use neat.
Nah its virsol from cleaning spot. But you're making me scared to use it now forget about 10 to 1 even 20 to 1. A bit worried about replacing every single window from a listed building now  :(

capn sparkle

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2018, 10:48:08 pm »
I've been using Virosol 50% - 50% for the last 5 yrs on new cleans without having any problems but as others have said - don't let it dry 'cos its a bugger to get off. Heavy rinsing after application is needed but it will still 'bleed' out of the seals even after 3 or 4 big rinses. On a more positive note when heavily diluted by the rinsing the slight 'oily effect' (think engine oil rainbow in a puddle) left on the glass dries clear.

Only time I've had an issue with the orange crud which seems to be the staining people worry about was on a 'new build' fake roman column porch type thing (fibre - glass I think) few orange spots because I left it to dwell for too long in the summer. Re-applied loads of Virosol to remove the orange spots . Well most of them anyway!! Oopps1


Crystal-clear

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2018, 01:32:26 am »
I've been using Virosol 50% - 50% for the last 5 yrs on new cleans without having any problems but as others have said - don't let it dry 'cos its a bugger to get off. Heavy rinsing after application is needed but it will still 'bleed' out of the seals even after 3 or 4 big rinses. On a more positive note when heavily diluted by the rinsing the slight 'oily effect' (think engine oil rainbow in a puddle) left on the glass dries clear.

Only time I've had an issue with the orange crud which seems to be the staining people worry about was on a 'new build' fake roman column porch type thing (fibre - glass I think) few orange spots because I left it to dwell for too long in the summer. Re-applied loads of Virosol to remove the orange spots . Well most of them anyway!! Oopps1
I'm still kind of worried. I don't see why anyone would use something that actually has a potential to ruin someone's windows.
Most used the word I've had no problems so far or you should be fine if you dilute it properly but then imagine if you're rinsing and it accumulates on the sill and it makes the seal a strange colour?

Splash & dash

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2018, 04:56:59 pm »
I've been using Virosol 50% - 50% for the last 5 yrs on new cleans without having any problems but as others have said - don't let it dry 'cos its a bugger to get off. Heavy rinsing after application is needed but it will still 'bleed' out of the seals even after 3 or 4 big rinses. On a more positive note when heavily diluted by the rinsing the slight 'oily effect' (think engine oil rainbow in a puddle) left on the glass dries clear.

Only time I've had an issue with the orange crud which seems to be the staining people worry about was on a 'new build' fake roman column porch type thing (fibre - glass I think) few orange spots because I left it to dwell for too long in the summer. Re-applied loads of Virosol to remove the orange spots . Well most of them anyway!! Oopps1
I'm still kind of worried. I don't see why anyone would use something that actually has a potential to ruin someone's windows.
Most used the word I've had no problems so far or you should be fine if you dilute it properly but then imagine if you're rinsing and it accumulates on the sill and it makes the seal a strange colour?





If you read the dilution rate it does. say for heavy soiling it can be used neat ,general dirt 50-1 ,light soiling 200-1 ,but it doesn’t say what surface it’s being put on at that dilution , as I said before we use it at 10-1 and never had a problem on any surface and we always let it dry on all surfaces we clean in the summer months evan in 32 degrees and direct sunlight , I wouldn’t want to say that you won’t have any problems as you might but Ime saying that we have used it this way for 10 years and NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS that tells me it’s ok to use at that dilution but with most things in life it isn’t 100% guaranteed

capn sparkle

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2018, 10:07:06 am »
I've been using Virosol 50% - 50% for the last 5 yrs on new cleans without having any problems but as others have said - don't let it dry 'cos its a bugger to get off. Heavy rinsing after application is needed but it will still 'bleed' out of the seals even after 3 or 4 big rinses. On a more positive note when heavily diluted by the rinsing the slight 'oily effect' (think engine oil rainbow in a puddle) left on the glass dries clear.

Only time I've had an issue with the orange crud which seems to be the staining people worry about was on a 'new build' fake roman column porch type thing (fibre - glass I think) few orange spots because I left it to dwell for too long in the summer. Re-applied loads of Virosol to remove the orange spots . Well most of them anyway!! Oopps1
I'm still kind of worried. I don't see why anyone would use something that actually has a potential to ruin someone's windows.
Most used the word I've had no problems so far or you should be fine if you dilute it properly but then imagine if you're rinsing and it accumulates on the sill and it makes the seal a strange colour?

Never had any problems with it accumulating on sills but then again I do use 'a lot' of water with Viro-Sol.

Crystal-clear

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Re: silly Virsol question to help with first cleans frames glass etc.?
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2018, 10:29:54 am »
Ok cheers basically you're saying it should be fine just make sure it's very diluted.
And can I just ask what the hell is this stuff I can't believe the fact it's dangerous Jesus Christ. Sounds like this made a nuclear bloody plant or something