[Darran Smith PRSS]

Hi - Anyone who is interested in learning more about Softwash our next Discover Softwash course is 29th, 30th and 31st Oct
https://events.softwash-systems.com/product/discover-softwash/

[Emil Dinev]

Hi Darran, is there any courses scheduled yet in the New Year? I'm interested in getting trained in soft washing.

Cheers
Emil

[zesty]

Hi Darran, is there any courses scheduled yet in the New Year? I'm interested in getting trained in soft washing.

Cheers
Emil

You don’t need to do a training course, this is nothing against Darren, but the fact is, you can find all you need to know on YouTube and forums.

Don’t pay for training when it isn’t necessary.

[Splash & dash]

Hi Darran, is there any courses scheduled yet in the New Year? I'm interested in getting trained in soft washing.

Cheers
Emil

You don’t need to do a training course, this is nothing against Darren, but the fact is, you can find all you need to know on YouTube and forums.

Don’t pay for training when it isn’t necessary.

Don’t believe all you see and hear on the internet , there is a lot off miss information out there

[Emil Dinev]

Hi Darran, is there any courses scheduled yet in the New Year? I'm interested in getting trained in soft washing.

Cheers
Emil

You don’t need to do a training course, this is nothing against Darren, but the fact is, you can find all you need to know on YouTube and forums.

Don’t pay for training when it isn’t necessary.

Zesty, thank you for your input!

I come form a carpet & floor cleaning background and as such I know that training is vital in gaining key skills and understanding on how it all works. I have done at least 10 training course over the years and always come away with something new that would benefit my business that I wouldn't know otherwise.

In light of all of the above, and considering that I am totally new to this soft wash thing, I think I can do with a training course as long as it's a good one.

Cheers
Emil

[Splash & dash]

Hi Darran, is there any courses scheduled yet in the New Year? I'm interested in getting trained in soft washing.

Cheers
Emil

You don’t need to do a training course, this is nothing against Darren, but the fact is, you can find all you need to know on YouTube and forums.

Don’t pay for training when it isn’t necessary.

Zesty, thank you for your input!

I come form a carpet & floor cleaning background and as such I know that training is vital in gaining key skills and understanding on how it all works. I have done at least 10 training course over the years and always come away with something new that would benefit my business that I wouldn't know otherwise.

In light of all of the above, and considering that I am totally new to this soft wash thing, I think I can do with a training course as long as it's a good one.

Cheers
Emil





I have been softwashing for 10 years and went on Darren’s course I learned a lot it’s a very informative , people think they can become experts by looking at a few videos , utter rubbish it will give you the basics but a training course is essential for a professional operator:
Question for zesty do you know what  halothorms and chloromines are ?. I didn’t before I went on a course , and I had been softwashing for 10 years totally ignorant of the potential dangers ,I do now a vital piece of information for anyone who is going to start softwashing

[chris scott]

I would like to know what "halothorms and chloromines" are please.

[Splash & dash]

I would like to know what "halothorms and chloromines" are please.

If you go on Darran’s course it will all be explained , very intresting

[chris scott]

Why dont you explain it too me ?  I would not give Darren ** edited, no swearing please ** let alone my money.

[Mike Halliday]

Is ‘halothorms’ spelt correctly?  as even google does not know what they are ( perhaps it needs to go on Darren’s course)

[Splash & dash]

Why dont you explain it too me ?  I would not give Darren ** edited, no swearing please ** let alone my money.

Lol Darran is a good guy very helpful, might not have the spelling exactly right 😬😬 but they are produced by adding things to bleach that armt supposed to be this  then can and does cause cancer inducing reactions on the human body by the fumes and or contact with the substance, this is apparently why it’s illegal to mix anything with hypo that’s not approved, Evan something as simple as washing up liquid mixed with hypo can cause this to happen , they named specific brands that this applies to , I know a lot who use washing up liquid as a surficant I have done so my self and if you google it you will find it recommended as a surficant by many so called professional people , this is why it can be dangerous to just go on YouTube vids and believe all you see , it taught me a valuable lesson , again training is important to educate ones with what is safe to do and what isn’t

[chris scott]

"adding things to bleach may cause cancer". That is very vague advice.
You don't need to pay for a course to tell you that "may" happen if you ingest high concentrations of bleach or other chemicals.

Drinking petrol may cause you to be sick.
Driving with your eyes shut may damage your health
Two more for you.

You are correct mixing chemicals is illegal ....please explain what a Softwash BLEND system primary function (there is a clue in there)..

[Splash & dash]

"adding things to bleach may cause cancer". That is very vague advice.
You don't need to pay for a course to tell you that "may" happen.

Drinking petrol may cause you to be sick.
Driving with your eyes shut may damage your health
Two more for you.

You are correct mixing chemicals is illegal ....please explain what a Softwash BLEND system primary function (there is a clue in there)..

Ime not stupid a blend module mixes approved chemicals together  that’s ok as they are designed to be mixed and therefore no danger , as you are probably aware mixing certain chemicals with bleach will produce mustard gas or chlorine gas and many other dangerous things , but ime sure most people wouldn’t think adding washing up liquid to hypo would be dangerous and can be cancer causing 

[chris scott]

It is Illegal to mix your own chemicals only in the respect that it would not have a data sheet or CAS number for that chemical produced. It does not matter if the cult leaders say it is safe to do so...it is still illegal. 

[Splash & dash]

It is Illegal to mix your own chemicals only in the respect that it would not have a data sheet or CAS number for that chemical produced. It does not matter if the cult leaders say it is safe to do so...it is still illegal.

As per usual Chris you know best , these chemicals are registers and it’s quite legal to mix them together, ime suprised someone like you hasn’t looks them up and seen that information for yourself , do you really think a company as big as that could operatic it wasn’t legit , anyway enough of this arguing ime not interested in debating with you further on the subject , in future please don’t bother commenting on any posts I put up

[chris scott]

"these chemicals are registers"   Please explain I don't know what you mean.

"it’s quite legal to mix them together" ...actually it ain't.
As I have explained you can not produce the relevant MSDS sheets etc for "your" chemical.

"do you really think a company as big as that could operatic it wasn’t legit"    ....errrm yes they are.

[Smudger]

Chris is spot on ( and that’s hard to say ) if your adding anything to hypo it’s illegal as you have no data sheet and ha e no idea of the % you’ve mixed

This may or may no apply to darrans super hypo truck as I’m sure he can produce a data sheet of the exact mix he fires all over the place

Note: I’ve been on some softwashing courses - they all bitch about there rivals especially darran and his American mate - I’ve also heard from others about how guns ho the hypo is sprayed everywhere - I’m not stating this as fact as ive not done darrans course it’s just talk from others who have been there

Darran

[Mike Halliday]

The idea that when you mix 2 chemicals together it becomes ‘illegal’ as it produces a 3rd chemical of which you cannot produce a specific MSDS sheet for is incorrect.  the cleaning industry is full of different additives that can be added to routine cleaning chemicals to produce specific results,  you don’t have a separate data sheet for this mixture but it is not ‘illegal’ to use

D’lemonine can be added to help emulsify oils, enzymes can be added to break down organic matter, I think the biggest additive is odour conteranctants that help  cleaning agents deal with problem odours.

I’m no legal expert but if you use chemicals in accordance with the manufacturers instructions then any legal implications is on them including using recommended additives

[Splash & dash]

Chris is spot on ( and that’s hard to say ) if your adding anything to hypo it’s illegal as you have no data sheet and ha e no idea of the % you’ve mixed

This may or may no apply to darrans super hypo truck as I’m sure he can produce a data sheet of the exact mix he fires all over the place

Note: I’ve been on some softwashing courses - they all bitch about there rivals especially darran and his American mate - I’ve also heard from others about how guns ho the hypo is sprayed everywhere - I’m not stating this as fact as ive not done darrans course it’s just talk from others who have been there

Darran





The chemicals used Darren are approved to be added to hypo and there is data sheets for them , I have got them 😂😂😂 , these addertives have been tested to make sure that they don’t produce the issues mentioned earlier , there are also other companies that produce similar things , cleverwash is one again it’s approved to be added to hypo and data sheets are available for this , these products can be used legally , I do accept that the drift from some ways of applying the mix to the building can be an issue though

[chris scott]

 Each chemical has a MSDS sheet (even Darrens). It's a legal requirement. The only "chemical" that does not have a MSDS sheet is the one that is mixed on site. Why not? ....because it has not being "approved" (to use your words not mine).  Just because some things can be safely mixed together does not make them exempt from "approval".

[Kev Martin]

I think the issue here is that lots of people mainly do domestic work and use what they are happy with.  I have banged on for years about the  misuse of bleach and other chemicals but in general people still keep using what is cheap as opposed to charging the serious money  to purchase and use approved chemicals.

Where as People and companies who are used to doing commercial work, where they constantly ask for RAMS and MSDS tend to use approved chemicals.

Ultimately mixing chemicals of any sort is wrong, but it is just a matter of whether you do any damage or worse get caught doing damage that is the issue.  Personally I leave the mixing and concocting to the chemists.

[Smudger]

im not stating who's right and who's wrong - but wherever I go on a course theres always 'talk' about Darrans setup - usually its not very complimentary ( just what I hear)

I am a big Hypo user and we do use it on commercial work but we don't add anything to it as we provide MSDS sheets etc..
we have had a client ask for no chemicals ( not just hypo but absolutely no chemicals of any kind ) to be used and we adjust the cleaning/price to suit that request

should we use hypo and stick a load of detergent in it then have an accident I think I would be in deep do do

Darran

[Splash & dash]

im not stating who's right and who's wrong - but wherever I go on a course theres always 'talk' about Darrans setup - usually its not very complimentary ( just what I hear)

I am a big Hypo user and we do use it on commercial work but we don't add anything to it as we provide MSDS sheets etc..
we have had a client ask for no chemicals ( not just hypo but absolutely no chemicals of any kind ) to be used and we adjust the cleaning/price to suit that request

should we use hypo and stick a load of detergent in it then have an accident I think I would be in deep do do

Darran

We also do quite a lot of commercial jobs with hypo and addertives all with data sheets never had a problem yet and some of the companies we do work for have there own h& s officers that are very fussy , also do some local authority work again never had a problem,  we have evan had firms ask us to use certain brands of chemicals as they are approved and that’s what they specify so I don’t understand why a certain person on hear seams to know better than chemists and H&S officers

[chris scott]

"We also do quite a lot of commercial jobs with hypo and addertives all with data sheets never had a problem yet and some of the companies we do work for have there own h& s officers that are very fussy , also do some local authority work again never had a problem,  we have evan had firms ask us to use certain brands of chemicals as they are approved and that’s what they specify so I don’t understand why a certain person on hear seams to know better than chemists and H&S officers"


Must be OK then.

[Darran Smith PRSS]

im not stating who's right and who's wrong - but wherever I go on a course theres always 'talk' about Darrans setup - usually its not very complimentary ( just what I hear)

I am a big Hypo user and we do use it on commercial work but we don't add anything to it as we provide MSDS sheets etc..
we have had a client ask for no chemicals ( not just hypo but absolutely no chemicals of any kind ) to be used and we adjust the cleaning/price to suit that request

should we use hypo and stick a load of detergent in it then have an accident I think I would be in deep do do

Darran

We also do quite a lot of commercial jobs with hypo and addertives all with data sheets never had a problem yet and some of the companies we do work for have there own h& s officers that are very fussy , also do some local authority work again never had a problem,  we have evan had firms ask us to use certain brands of chemicals as they are approved and that’s what they specify so I don’t understand why a certain person on hear seams to know better than chemists and H&S officers

Water is a chemical - You are a chemical - how do you do chemical free cleaning? I won't let my customers dictate how I clean there property

[chris scott]

Water is a chemical - You are a chemical - how do you do chemical free cleaning?.....I dont know enlighten me.

[Darran Smith PRSS]

You CANT do Chemical FREE Cleaning

[Mike Halliday]

Anyone can be  pedantic  with words and say everything is a ‘chemical’, it’s like saying we are all made from pencils lead ( which is carbon one of the basic building block of living matter)

But let’s try and be sensible and say what we actually mean, nobody really  considers water to be a chemical,  so we can say  cleaning with just water  ( either hot, cold, high pressure, low pressure etc) is ‘chemical free’ cleaning