[Nobby]

Just for the record, Dry Fusion claim that their system (rotary bonnet) is endorsed by Brintons for use on their products.

Nobby

[Kev Loomes]

Too much spare time on your hands....Go out and clean

It makes me a bit suspious of the cleaners on here who like to throw stones hiding behind  hidden emails, names or age etc. One cleaner professed to know everything at the grand old age of 22. 

Regards  Andy

Just for your information, I am not 'hiding' behind anything. I am in a predicament at present and cannot legally reveal myself for a few months yet, or I'll be in trouble. Believe you me I would like to fill out my profile like most people. It will be winter time before that happens though.

Regards

p.s. Im 43 and certainly do not profess to know everything (that's impossible). And if someone gave me some good advice even if I thought I knew some of it, I would take it on board and not scorn at it!......I like to mostly learn by other peoples mistakes 

[gwrightson]

If there is a problem with me posting then I shall refrain from doing so. Like everyone Im here to give advise and receive advise and to share my experiences. I maybe a so called fast poster that is because I am a strong character and have knowledge of the carpet industry to share. I just wish people would be more diligent with the contents of their postings - offending people doesn't get you anywhere.

Regards  Andy 
 
 
 
andy, in one of your earlier replies you did infact. in my opinon, offend all of the c/c instucters out there,

 a contradiction to what you have quoted here
 Geoff

[HolmansUKLTD]

Why would you be a fast poster? you only post half a day

[woodman]

carpetmate,

My point was, if you try and make a claim against Brintons for a fault on their carpets they will deny that their carpets suffer from any kind of pile reversal or shading.(no carpet manufacturer will accept this as a carpet fault,where as a few years ago they did and replaced carpets affected)

I have had this discussion with a bod from Brintons a few years ago at a cleaning show and he was absolutely adamant that Brintons do not suffer from this problem you may as well have been banging your head against a brick wall as he repeated the company script over and over again.

One of the cleaning supplies company's (that will remain secret) thought they had cracked the pile reversal problem and could rectify with one of their machines and brought Brintons in to inspect a carpet they were testing it on. After intial success on one piece it failed miserably on another and the problem remains a spooky mystery

As for cleaning with recommended rotary's , as I said earlier no problem

[andy roberts]

I said in my very first post that I would receive strong comments about this subject and I wasn't wrong.

I have now confirmation back from 11 manufacturers regarding the use of rotary aggitation. All DO NOT endorse its use.

Thank you also to the 52 emails I've had from cleaners in this forum supporting my views - very encouraging & overwhelming. For different reasons I fully understand why you couldn't post.

I've put forward an issue that has been, on the whole, debated well with odd unprofessional remarks made by the minority, obviously people who are strong and set in their own ways and vigourously defend any change in working practise.
Im also well aware that alot of cleaners defending this issue are suppliers of these machines so have a vested interest.

Fundamentally, it is important for all to take and act upon advise given unless of course the person does not wish to improve standards. Evidently, it would appear that some cleaners would rather risk damaging their customers carpet for short term gain.

I will not be responding to any more posts on here due to the fact that Im having to repeat myself with cleaners who fail to diligently read previous posts, however should anyone care to email me, I will happy to respond to any question.

Regards   Andy

[woodman]

not a supplier andy just a very experienced carpet cleaner who used to also carry out reporrts on carpet manufacturer claims

Shame the 50 odd CC that you say contacted you supporting your views felt they could not post on here we could have offered help and advice on how to approach the subject.

The rest of your post regarding improving standards, risking damage and short term gain are an insult to the professional CC whose these systems and does not deserve a response.

By the way why don't you post the details of the 11. :

[Martin S]

So how come Brintons recommend dry carpet cleaning and dry foam with cylindrical brushes if agitation is so bad for their carpets?

I think we're getting rotary agitation and cylindrical agitation mixed up here.

I'm talking about rotary machine agitation, however an email Ive had back from Greg Harrison from Brintons (& others but his was the first so Im quoting him)states what Ive said in past posts regarding general agitation, manual & otherwise. My original enquiry was just about using machinery but they then included manual agitation and would only say to lightly agitate in localised areas.

Regards Andy.

Andy,

So why didn't you entitle the thread, 'ROTARY AGITATION'

Also, it does not make sense that Brintons on the one hand are telling you to only lightly (manually) agitate in localised areas, when their website advises the following:

CLEANING SYSTEMS
Absorbent powder
The absorbent powder compound is spread evenly over the surface of the carpet and brushed in with cylindrically rotating brushes, which help restore surface appearance
Once the powder is dry it is vacuumed away. This is a very good system, which does not wet the carpet, and is suitable for use on Brintons products. It is not a deep cleaning system but is very efficient at removing oily or greasy type stains.

Seems like they are simply covering @rse

[CONTRACT CLEANING SERVICES (1994) LTD.]

If I caught anyone of my guys rotary agitating pre-sprays in a carpet then they would be sacked on the spot.

[gwrightson]

yeh yeh course you would sack them on the spot, for what doing the job correctly

 Geoff

[CONTRACT CLEANING SERVICES (1994) LTD.]

Its not correct. I have read the above and go with silent majority gwrightson. If you wanna know how to clean a carpet without rotary agitation then I'll show you my boy

[gwrightson]

silent majority "yawn , yawn ,yawn "    amazing how the silent , stay silent , strange isnt it ,

for what reason are they staying silent? do they not want other c/c to think they are doing an inferior job?

or is a just a number plucked from outer space? perhaps they themselves have never even bothered with aggitation? perhaps they are splash and dash ?

Who knows, only the silent majority?

ps. i dont use a rotory incidently? but it aint because of the reasons your endorsing, MY SON

 Geoff

[CONTRACT CLEANING SERVICES (1994) LTD.]

What a rude, self opinionated little s--t you are! I've been in the business 28 years without agitating - what aload of b-ll--ks!

[gwrightson]

Im sorry you feel like that, I am merely expessing my opinion, as you so kindly put it!!

at least I am not been insulting,

as for been in the buisness 28 yrs, well done and good luck for your future years,

just one point , numerous carpet cleaners have been in the buisness just as long, if not longer, numerous instucters have been in the buisness a long time, with a wealth of knowledge and experience, and what you are percieved to be saying is they are all in the wrong.

as a matter of interest , where did you get your training from?

Geoff

[CONTRACT CLEANING SERVICES (1994) LTD.]

Go and learn how to clean a carpet and stop asking me stupid questions.