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JBC88

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Staff bonuses and motivation
« on: June 02, 2018, 12:32:03 pm »
Hi Im looking to expand this year and set someone on. I've no idea what would keep the staff motivated long term. I figure a decent wage would help but I'm seeing that a few give bonuses. For those that do how do you work out what bonus to give so that it's still profitable and motivates the staff consistently?
How much £ or % of wage do you pay as a bonus and what do the workers have to do to get it?

I really appreciate any help for me and anyone else wondering, thanks

Soupy

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Re: Staff bonuses and motivation
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2018, 03:43:19 pm »


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PHILIP HARDY

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Re: Staff bonuses and motivation
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2018, 08:28:14 pm »
Kinda find telling my guys, "if you dont do a good job, your out on your ear," find it works fairly well at removing the wasters :'(
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Re: Staff bonuses and motivation
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2018, 06:32:26 am »
Mutual respect seems to work.

Smudger

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Re: Staff bonuses and motivation
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2018, 08:43:29 am »
As window cleaning is a boring job, you can only make the experience of working for you as good as it can be, so treat them right, pay them fairly and don’t take mistakes and errors personally. At the end of the day they will have a life outside “work” so they wont see things the same as you regards business

Over the years we have an bonuses and they have worked, but now we roll i5 all up into the hourly rate - a we give ad-hoc things like crates of beer when the company has had a good week, extra days holiday on their birthday  they keep/ split all the tips throughout the year and Christmas

These little things seem to go down better than targeted bonuses

Darran
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JBC88

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Re: Staff bonuses and motivation
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2018, 09:10:32 am »
Thanks for the advice hopefully it works out. How easy or hard was it to retain staff at first and what changed to enable you to retain them easier or manage when someone left?

Handling staff is the main thing holding me back from expanding because I've heard alot of bad experiences but I still wanna go for it because i can see from other larger companies that it is possible to make it work.

mufcglen

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Re: Staff bonuses and motivation
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2018, 11:56:16 am »
its the paye ni and any possible pensions putting me off.
i see loads of guys paying cash in hand and taking people on self employed but i dont fancy doing it the dodgy way!!

Smudger

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Re: Staff bonuses and motivation
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2018, 04:31:55 pm »
64 million dollar question....

either your cut out for handling and working with staff or your not.

if i went by what some say on here about how they work and what they do, or not do then its little surprise they have no staff or can't keep them,  no one thing will work for everyone - some are motivated by money others flexible hours some its just a bit of cash to help ends meet and nothing more.


have a structure and procedures in place before you take anyone on - write out what you expect of them in way of working, cloths, attitude, time keeping etc...

Lead by example, if you slack off to the cafe for an hour then your staff will do/expect to do the same, same as time keeping and equipment

have a trial period then sit down together and see whats good, whats bad

our longest staff member is now 5 years ( i was hoping for a minimum of 2 )  followed by 4 years, 4 years P/t 2 at 2 years and 1 just over the year

Darran
A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.

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Spruce

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Re: Staff bonuses and motivation
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2018, 05:15:44 pm »
64 million dollar question....

either your cut out for handling and working with staff or your not.

if i went by what some say on here about how they work and what they do, or not do then its little surprise they have no staff or can't keep them,  no one thing will work for everyone - some are motivated by money others flexible hours some its just a bit of cash to help ends meet and nothing more.


have a structure and procedures in place before you take anyone on - write out what you expect of them in way of working, cloths, attitude, time keeping etc...

Lead by example, if you slack off to the cafe for an hour then your staff will do/expect to do the same, same as time keeping and equipment

have a trial period then sit down together and see whats good, whats bad

our longest staff member is now 5 years ( i was hoping for a minimum of 2 )  followed by 4 years, 4 years P/t 2 at 2 years and 1 just over the year

Darran

This is exactly what our management training courses taught us. Added to this is some are motivated by producing good quality service and word of spoken gratitude goes further than a bonus carrot.

If staff aren't motivated, then the first port of call is their manager. As Darran says, you need to find out which button your staff member has and work with that.

Unfortunately, those motivated by money aren't always the best workers to have as they will often cut corners to achieve targets. By setting targets set against target achievement you could be encouraging shoddy workmanship.

This was especially so in the motor trade. The best performing mechanics weren't interest in spending time looking for faults that would waste their time. We had one that even forgot to service the customer's car but charged for it. He did it on a couple of seperate occasions that he was caught for. How many didn't get picked up?

You are looking for an employee who needs money to support his family and pay his mortgage, as well as having a caring attitude toward the customers he is servicing. If he arrives in a wreck of a car which is filthy, then there is every possibility he will treat customers windows etc the same way.

We have a local window cleaning company which is shrinking in size due to impossible to reach targets and poor clean quality. We have twice seen this employee stop at a customer, pull a pile of hose out of the van onto the road and then pull it around to clean the customers windows. He then chucks the pole in the back closing the van doors on the hose and drives off dragging the hose down the road behind the van to his next customer a block away. He drives around the estate doing that.

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Missing Link

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Re: Staff bonuses and motivation
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2018, 12:19:04 pm »
Hi Im looking to expand this year and set someone on. I've no idea what would keep the staff motivated long term. I figure a decent wage would help but I'm seeing that a few give bonuses. For those that do how do you work out what bonus to give so that it's still profitable and motivates the staff consistently?
How much £ or % of wage do you pay as a bonus and what do the workers have to do to get it?

I really appreciate any help for me and anyone else wondering, thanks

Take a look at Maslow's Theory; humans aren't simply motivated by money.  That's not to say that money isn't a factor, but once you reach a certain level of attainment on Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs (the 2nd level), then money ceases to be a motivator.

And if I were to employ, I'd actively target ex-forces.  Many of them - particularly if they were NCOs - will have gone through a lot of leadership and management training; far more than what any regular employer would ever provide.

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andyM

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Re: Staff bonuses and motivation
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2018, 04:17:53 pm »
And if I were to employ, I'd actively target ex-forces.  Many of them - particularly if they were NCOs - will have gone through a lot of leadership and management training; far more than what any regular employer would ever provide.

Not being funny but I would assume someone with the experience and training you have mentioned there would aspire to do something better than washing windows, especially as an employee.
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Spruce

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Re: Staff bonuses and motivation
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2018, 04:36:04 pm »
And if I were to employ, I'd actively target ex-forces.  Many of them - particularly if they were NCOs - will have gone through a lot of leadership and management training; far more than what any regular employer would ever provide.

Not being funny but I would assume someone with the experience and training you have mentioned there would aspire to do something better than washing windows, especially as an employee.

Thats an interesting comment.

25 years ago Black and Decker's aim was to replace service center managers with ex forces personel.  They were looking for retired army guys who were still young, mature, fit and healthy and were receiving an army pension. This meant that B&D only had to pay them half the wage they paid the rest of us as these guys were looking for pension topup to have good holidays and afford the better things, new car etc.

Would they make good window cleaners? When_Aye_Banzai (Tosh was easier to say) should know as he has come from that background. I would say that its the same with any group of potential employees - it depends on the individual rather than the early career he chose.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

John Mart

Re: Staff bonuses and motivation
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2018, 04:54:51 pm »
Hi Im looking to expand this year and set someone on. I've no idea what would keep the staff motivated long term. I figure a decent wage would help but I'm seeing that a few give bonuses. For those that do how do you work out what bonus to give so that it's still profitable and motivates the staff consistently?
How much £ or % of wage do you pay as a bonus and what do the workers have to do to get it?

I really appreciate any help for me and anyone else wondering, thanks

Take a look at Maslow's Theory; humans aren't simply motivated by money.  That's not to say that money isn't a factor, but once you reach a certain level of attainment on Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs (the 2nd level), then money ceases to be a motivator.

And if I were to employ, I'd actively target ex-forces.  Many of them - particularly if they were NCOs - will have gone through a lot of leadership and management training; far more than what any regular employer would ever provide.
Alcoholics or PTSD sufferers.  ;D

mike1986

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Re: Staff bonuses and motivation
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2018, 05:51:04 pm »
its the paye ni and any possible pensions putting me off.
i see loads of guys paying cash in hand and taking people on self employed but i dont fancy doing it the dodgy way!!


It’s perfectly legal to take someone on on a self employed basis so long as they own their own business, use their own vehicle and tools and invoice you for their work.

John Mart

Re: Staff bonuses and motivation
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2018, 06:07:23 pm »
its the paye ni and any possible pensions putting me off.
i see loads of guys paying cash in hand and taking people on self employed but i dont fancy doing it the dodgy way!!


It’s perfectly legal to take someone on on a self employed basis so long as they own their own business, use their own vehicle and tools and invoice you for their work.
Such a grey area though as we're seeing with the big court cases going on over minimum wage etc. DPD etc.

mike1986

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Re: Staff bonuses and motivation
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2018, 06:58:01 pm »
But it is quite clear on HMRC if you read up on it.

G Griffin

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Re: Staff bonuses and motivation
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2018, 10:21:02 pm »
Hi Im looking to expand this year and set someone on. I've no idea what would keep the staff motivated long term. I figure a decent wage would help but I'm seeing that a few give bonuses. For those that do how do you work out what bonus to give so that it's still profitable and motivates the staff consistently?
How much £ or % of wage do you pay as a bonus and what do the workers have to do to get it?

I really appreciate any help for me and anyone else wondering, thanks

Take a look at Maslow's Theory; humans aren't simply motivated by money.  That's not to say that money isn't a factor, but once you reach a certain level of attainment on Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs (the 2nd level), then money ceases to be a motivator.

And if I were to employ, I'd actively target ex-forces.  Many of them - particularly if they were NCOs - will have gone through a lot of leadership and management training; far more than what any regular employer would ever provide.
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G Griffin

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Re: Staff bonuses and motivation
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2018, 10:26:49 pm »
Hi Im looking to expand this year and set someone on. I've no idea what would keep the staff motivated long term. I figure a decent wage would help but I'm seeing that a few give bonuses. For those that do how do you work out what bonus to give so that it's still profitable and motivates the staff consistently?
How much £ or % of wage do you pay as a bonus and what do the workers have to do to get it?

I really appreciate any help for me and anyone else wondering, thanks

Take a look at Maslow's Theory; humans aren't simply motivated by money.  That's not to say that money isn't a factor, but once you reach a certain level of attainment on Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs (the 2nd level), then money ceases to be a motivator.

And if I were to employ, I'd actively target ex-forces.  Many of them - particularly if they were NCOs - will have gone through a lot of leadership and management training; far more than what any regular employer would ever provide.
Alcoholics or PTSD sufferers.  ;D
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