[Racheal Cross]

Hi

After some advise please.

We are new to render cleaning and need to clean the above building.

Could anyone advise on best softwash mix to use and any other tips too please.

Thanks

Racheal

[Splash & dash]

Do you have wfp Back pack ?  If so you want some sodium hypochlorite between 10-15% strength , put 4 parts water to 1 part hypo into the back pack mix it up well then wet the garage wall down with a garden hose also damp down any vegetation you don’t want to damage , then apply the hypo mix to the walls through the wfp brush have the flow rate quite low and gently rub the solution into the wall leave it for up to 45 muinits if there are still green areas re apply more hypo if it’s looking clean rinse well with the garden hose job done

[Racheal Cross]

Thanks for the reply!
We have looked at those....we currently softwash ground level and use an IPS pro sprayer...I'm guessing this may not work for high level as despite the reach being ok the spray may be bad?

Is that right?

[Splash & dash]

Ups sprayers don’t have the best reputation but if you want to spray it on it will work be careful with a fine mist spray as this will drift far more readily use the appropriate ppe and let it dwell for 45 muinits or so then give it a scrub with a brush and then rinse you will end up with the same results , any sprayer should be able to apply the product if you have a wfp you can put a spray nozzle on the end and use it as a high level sprayer

[Racheal Cross]

Thanks. Yes our IPS hasn't been the greatest so maybe a back pack wfp is the way forward!

Thanks! 

[chris scott]

Algoclear pro.

[Kev Martin]

PSRP Spray & Walk Away

[Splash & dash]

PSRP Spray & Walk Away

Kevin I assume this is the stuff you sell can you explaine what things this product will do and the time scale for it doing it , will it kill red, black and green algy on krend and if so how long before it looks totaly clean we do a lot of this type of work but customers want instant results so usually we use hypo but am intrested in other products any information would be good thanks

[Darran Smith PRSS]

Have you considered coming on a course and seeing how easily red, black and green can be removed from these types of surfaces?

We have one coming up in May...

[Splash & dash]

Have you considered coming on a course and seeing how easily red, black and green can be removed from these types of surfaces?

We have one coming up in May...

I have been using hypo for years but am looking at maybe different products but most things like algo clear pro take a while to work and customers want instant results any info would be good thanks

[Kev Martin]

PSRP Spray & Walk Away

Kevin I assume this is the stuff you sell can you explaine what things this product will do and the time scale for it doing it , will it kill red, black and green algy on krend and if so how long before it looks totaly clean we do a lot of this type of work but customers want instant results so usually we use hypo but am intrested in other products any information would be good thanks

The product works very similarly to Algoclear.  It needs a dwell time to work.  So if none of your customers are patient enough to wait and don't give a to$$ about the environment then my best advice would be "your probably better off sticking with Hypo quite frankly."

[Splash & dash]

PSRP Spray & Walk Away

Kevin I assume this is the stuff you sell can you explaine what things this product will do and the time scale for it doing it , will it kill red, black and green algy on krend and if so how long before it looks totaly clean we do a lot of this type of work but customers want instant results so usually we use hypo but am intrested in other products any information would be good thanks

The product works very similarly to Algoclear.  It needs a dwell time to work.  So if none of your customers are patient enough to wait and don't give a to$$ about the environment then my best advice would be "your probably better off sticking with Hypo quite frankly."

Most customers want instant results and if Ime honest if I was paying good money for a job to be done I would probably want that too : as for hypo damaging the environment unless Ime wrong my understanding is that after 1 hour the product is dead and harmless especially when it’s well diluted it is classed as safe to wash to drains according to the environmental health officer I would like to use different products but yet  again there isn’t much help offered hear just sarcasm you haven’t answered any of the above questions , I have looked on your web site and the product is there for sale but very little information about dilution rates how to use it etc , I feel it’s a pity that a person with the vast experience you have seams reluctant to offer help and advice to ones like myself who are genuinely intrested In trying new products , it would evan expand your sales , but the way you come over isn’t conducive to gaining new customers pity really but there you go

[Kev Martin]

PSRP Spray & Walk Away

Kevin I assume this is the stuff you sell can you explaine what things this product will do and the time scale for it doing it , will it kill red, black and green algy on krend and if so how long before it looks totaly clean we do a lot of this type of work but customers want instant results so usually we use hypo but am intrested in other products any information would be good thanks

The product works very similarly to Algoclear.  It needs a dwell time to work.  So if none of your customers are patient enough to wait and don't give a to$$ about the environment then my best advice would be "your probably better off sticking with Hypo quite frankly."

Most customers want instant results and if Ime honest if I was paying good money for a job to be done I would probably want that too : as for hypo damaging the environment unless Ime wrong my understanding is that after 1 hour the product is dead and harmless especially when it’s well diluted it is classed as safe to wash to drains according to the environmental health officer I would like to use different products but yet  again there isn’t much help offered hear just sarcasm you haven’t answered any of the above questions , I have looked on your web site and the product is there for sale but very little information about dilution rates how to use it etc , I feel it’s a pity that a person with the vast experience you have seams reluctant to offer help and advice to ones like myself who are genuinely intrested In trying new products , it would evan expand your sales , but the way you come over isn’t conducive to gaining new customers pity really but there you go

I offer help and advice to everyone who wants it.  Your posts are in general negative with other people as well, not just me.  I will happily send you MSDS sheets on the product but you need to realise all our products work on a dilution rate and dwell time according to the level of contamination  on the surface and every job is different.  You either make your customers aware that there is no quick solution or answer to any problem regardless of whether there is mould present or not.  All PSRP products are developed through years of research and development and all work with an appropriate dwell time dictated by the level of contamination.  My solutions and explanations are a result of vast experience in hard floor cleaning and restoration.  Patience and a good understanding of how chemicals work achieves success everytime it is not sarcasm, if you or your customers want a quick instant solution then maybe our products are not for you.  Alternatively, you could try them first?  You may be surprised.

[Darran Smith PRSS]

Have you considered coming on a course and seeing how easily red, black and green can be removed from these types of surfaces?

We have one coming up in May...

I have been using hypo for years but am looking at maybe different products but most things like algo clear pro take a while to work and customers want instant results any info would be good thanks

Our products have been manufactured to safely mix with bleach - we teach you everything you need to know about using them safely.  Plus correct spraying techniques etc - We are only having the grandmaster of SoftWashing flying over to teach class as well as two veteran softwashing guys who both have multiple softwashing vans and years of experience - 399 including daytime food - where will you learn 25 years experience for so little money. Don't miss your chance - you can read all about it on here there is free advice and most work - but 3 full days will get you where you need to be faster

[Aqua Power Solutions]

For a longer lasting result hypo is not the answer . Explain to your customers  the various  cleaning methods and the pro's and con's
Ed

[Splash & dash]

This is a job we did in minus 2 temperature front and back took 2 hours to achieve used 15 ltr of out of date 10% strength hypo this is what most customers want and expect how long would it take for bio products to get this type of finish ? Would they get this kind of result ? I would like to try different bio products but it seams to be a black art my original questions have still not been answered I have no idear why people either want to help educate ones or they don’t it appeared to me that there is a small group of people that chat among themselves but if someone like me asked a genuine question as I am intrested in learning there seams to be great resistance in answering quite simple questions , hypo is also a lot cheaper than bio products so Ime surprised that the suppliers arnt explaining why I should be buying there product as it’s so much better than hypo but again no they don’t defend there product why is this ? I generaly hypo the job and after rinsing if the customer wants it doing with algo clear pro type of product to slow down re growth we do do that , am I right in saying that it will slow it down ? I have done tests on my own property and it does seam to bear this theory out , take t

[Splash & dash]

Have you considered coming on a course and seeing how easily red, black and green can be removed from these types of surfaces?

We have one coming up in May...

I have been using hypo for years but am looking at maybe different products but most things like algo clear pro take a while to work and customers want instant results any info would be good thanks

Our products have been manufactured to safely mix with bleach - we teach you everything you need to know about using them safely.  Plus correct spraying techniques etc - We are only having the grandmaster of SoftWashing flying over to teach class as well as two veteran softwashing guys who both have multiple softwashing vans and years of experience - 399 including daytime food - where will you learn 25 years experience for so little money. Don't miss your chance - you can read all about it on here there is free advice and most work - but 3 full days will get you where you need to be faster

Hi Darren thanks for the offer but Ime afrade we are far to busy with work at the moment to be able to take time off , compared to you we are a very small set up but are quite experienced using hypo for soft washing again we don’t have all the nice equipment like your set up : we are primarily window cleaners and started doing building wash downs about 10 years ago , I dont class myself a professional at all I am generaly self taught by trial and error in the early days and by googling softwashing in USA that’s how I have learnt how to do the job and I expect I still have a lot to learn but we are doing more and more of this type of work year on year so much so that I have been thinking about getting a dedicated vehicle set up just for softwashing we don’t promote or advertise it but there is so much really bad algy problems down hear I could easily have a couple of vehicles doing it full time I am just up to my eyes with windows I haven’t had the time to seriously set it up and promote it , I will give you a ring and maybe we can have a chat : thanks for your time in replying to this post and being helpful 😂😂😂😂😂

[Splash & dash]

For a longer lasting result hypo is not the answer . Explain to your customers  the various  cleaning methods and the pro's and con's
Ed

Looking good how long did it take for bio to get it to that finish ? Also  probebly a stupid question but when you apply the bio product and it takes days weeks etc to work how is the dirt remover from the wall ? Without scrubbing and rinsing ? I know people say over time it will get washed off with the rain but there are always areas on the properties like under the eaves and sheltered spots that it won’t get washed off from , hope this makes sense

[Mike Halliday]

Sodium Hyperclorite is an incredibly effective and versatile chemical it only has a couple of problems, it’s readily available and it’s cheap,  which means their  is no profit to be made in stocking & selling it.

I think this is why the only people who I see speaking against it are suppliers, I never see men who use it day after day negatively commenting. I also think if there was a better alternative to S/H then people would use it.  most companies do want to give the best most,  professional clean possible and will use whatever gives that result

[Smudger]

A very good point mike

Reflections - your Doing great, nothing wrong with being self taught

When I last checked up on things like algo  clear it carried various harmful warning stickers and to be honest nothing will keep algae off  a surface forever the weather sees to that

Don’t be pressured into buying expensive products when you are using what in my opinion is something that can’t be beaten

Darran

[Splash & dash]

Thanks mike and Darren I totaly agree with what you are saying but I accept compared to some of the very knowledgeable people on hear I know very little and am very willing to adapt and learn/ use new things but the results we have been getting for years with hypo are instant and very good that’s what my customers want : I have used algo clear and yes it’s good stuff but slow working and the dirt is still on the walls , personally I prefer using it as an after treatment as I have found this works well , but again like you say there are health and safety issues with bio products I was talking to a guy the other day who used to use a lot of bio stuff and he has stoped using it due to a constant sore throat and severe headache s since he’s stoped using it the symptoms have gone away he swore it was the bio causing this , and yes he was using the approved ppe according to the data sheets provided by the manufactures , thanks for your comments it’s greatly appreciated

[Aqua Power Solutions]

Hypo certainly is a great tool to have in your tool box .
Nothing wrong with experimenting with different solutions on different surfaces

This roof was pressure cleaned and softwashed with a hypo mix 5 years ago
The lighter roof tiles only  was then softwashed with a biocide (as an experiment)
As you can see the biocide will keep certain surfaces cleaner for longer than a bleaching product

[Splash & dash]

Hypo certainly is a great tool to have in your tool box .
Nothing wrong with experimenting with different solutions on different surfaces

This roof was pressure cleaned and softwashed with a hypo mix 5 years ago
The lighter roof tiles only  was then softwashed with a biocide
As you can see the biocide will keep certain surfaces cleaner for longer than a bleaching product

Thanks for that we don’t generaly do roofs but lots of k rend walls , the way you did this roof is how we do jobs I give the customer the option of applying bio after the hypo clean to slow down regrowth , that roof looks very good for that time scale , where we live it’s very damp and red green and black algy grow rapidly the red and black seam to eat into the surface and are harder to remove the green is easy to get rid off , we have large numbers of houses on estates that are now around 5-10 years old and looking really bad we are inundated with jobs like the one I posted earlier , this is why Ime intrested in different ways of cleaning them : thanks for your comments

[Mike Halliday]

Just to clarify when we use the term soft washing we are referring to the use of Quat based chemicals, yes?

I have had some amazing results using BAC50 which is the strongest quat solution I can find it’s (i believe) the same as algiclear pro or Benzwash

But I have had to wait up to 8 months to see the dramatic difference, I have seen great results after 2 weeks. It ok saying educate your customer but they don’t want educating, they want their problem solving.

It’s a bit like me telling a chef i’m Hungry and need feeding and he educates me about planting my own vegetables and keeping a few sheep.... so that in 6 months time my problem will be solved.... but i’m Hungry now! 😀😀

[Kev Martin]

Just to clarify when we use the term soft washing we are referring to the use of Quat based chemicals, yes?

I have had some amazing results using BAC50 which is the strongest quat solution I can find it’s (i believe) the same as algiclear pro or Benzwash

But I have had to wait up to 8 months to see the dramatic difference, I have seen great results after 2 weeks. It ok saying educate your customer but they don’t want educating, they want their problem solving.

It’s a bit like me telling a chef i’m Hungry and need feeding and he educates me about planting my own vegetables and keeping a few sheep.... so that in 6 months time my problem will be solved.... but i’m Hungry now! 😀😀

Mike

At the end of the day it is the same with all jobs isn't it?  If you have a warehouse floor that is in a state you can clean it then paint or Resin it but 2 years later it has to be cleared and done again.  If however you invest in it once and grind, densify, polish and seal the floor it is done.  Both methods work but which is best?  Finger in the proverbial Dutch d**e or do it properly.  There will always be those that do it correctly once but there are a lot more who cut corners.  Who is right is down to personal circumstances end of.  It is the same right across the board...... some people do pressure washing with £99 B & Q machine, others spend £3-10K who is right?  I have my opinion but does the £99 man agree?

Kevin

[Splash & dash]

Just to clarify when we use the term soft washing we are referring to the use of Quat based chemicals, yes?

I have had some amazing results using BAC50 which is the strongest quat solution I can find it’s (i believe) the same as algiclear pro or Benzwash

But I have had to wait up to 8 months to see the dramatic difference, I have seen great results after 2 weeks. It ok saying educate your customer but they don’t want educating, they want their problem solving.

It’s a bit like me telling a chef i’m Hungry and need feeding and he educates me about planting my own vegetables and keeping a few sheep.... so that in 6 months time my problem will be solved.... but i’m Hungry now! 😀😀

That’s a good question I refer to softwashing using a hypo mix , but also would use the term SoftWashing for applying bio products too don’t know if that’s right or wrong ? As has been said I think there is a need for different products for different customers , unfortunately most of my customers wouldn’t pay for a treatment that will take months to take effect , they want to see a dirty building today and a clean one tomorrow, I don’t think there is a right or wrong way with this I always give customers the options and explains it to them so far not one has opted for the bio option , however some have asked to have the building sprayed with bio after hypo to slow down re growth is it just me that gets this response from customers or do others experience the same ?

[Aqua Power Solutions]

Mike , I would say that any solution that is applied to a surface that is not requiring pressure to clean can be regarded as softwashing .

Some people would argue  that there is nothing 'SOFT' about spraying bleach everywhere !

Its a matter of interpretation

Ed

[Smudger]

“Soft” I take as any cleaning of walls roofs drives etc where your not using high pressure

From searches etc hypo is extensively used in softwashing ( does not purple rhino co. ) mainly use hypo and Benz blackwash is hypo based

I’ve offered spray and forget type solutions and at less money than a clean/scrub with hypo and they still go for the instant results

I’ve had several customers used it as well on paths and not got a decent result - now it could be that what they bought from b&q is rubbish but the die is cast and the bio cleaners are tainted forever
Darran