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lee_dewing

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vanarama customers 😊
« on: December 13, 2017, 12:31:43 pm »
Merry Christmas everyone.

Unfortunately my van looks done.

Been told by RAC man cambelt snapped and most likely a write off😢

Looking at vanarama contract finance 5 yr deal all in £192 a month. Just diesel and insurance needed apparently, everything else catered for.

Other option is finance lease not sure now if same care package but first years road tax included.
Then sell van after 5 years privately and give vanarama £3250  any profit made is mine.

Looking at the citoren berlingo 75bhp bulkhead and rook rack included.
Has sat nav and i think parking sensors etc.

What do you guys go for contract or finance leasing?

Only thing putting me off contract leaseing is how tough they could be hitting me with a bill at end of contract regarding van condition.

What's your thoughts to those who lease.

Many thanks lee.
Pleasure in the job puts perfection in the work.     - Aristotle

andyM

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Re: vanarama customers 😊
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2017, 01:04:37 pm »
For a little extra every month you could have the Peugeot Partner L1 with 850kg payload and 99bhp (better performance and slightly better economy).
Also it looks as if the Partner is offered with a bulkhead and a hard plastic load liner and the Berlingo isn't.
http://www.vanarama.co.uk/peugeot-van-leasing/partner/850-1-6-bluehdi-100-professional-van-9719.html
One of the Plebs

Spruce

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Re: vanarama customers 😊
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2017, 01:26:57 pm »
Merry Christmas everyone.

Unfortunately my van looks done.

Been told by RAC man cambelt snapped and most likely a write off😢

Looking at vanarama contract finance 5 yr deal all in £192 a month. Just diesel and insurance needed apparently, everything else catered for.

Other option is finance lease not sure now if same care package but first years road tax included.
Then sell van after 5 years privately and give vanarama £3250  any profit made is mine.

Looking at the citoren berlingo 75bhp bulkhead and rook rack included.
Has sat nav and i think parking sensors etc.

What do you guys go for contract or finance leasing?

Only thing putting me off contract leaseing is how tough they could be hitting me with a bill at end of contract regarding van condition.

What's your thoughts to those who lease.

Many thanks lee.

My question to you is why you want to lease a van anyway.

Why not do a simple HP knowing the van is yours to do whatever you want with once the contract is finished.

You really have got to look at the details of each scheme. You need to find out who owns the vehicle at the end of the lease. Can you keep it? Does it become yours? Selling a 5 year old van for more than £3250 could be a big risk, especially if you need extra for the next initial payment on a new van.  (Is that £3250 + VAT. Sometimes smooth talking sales people forget to make things 100% clear. The other thing is you can easily get emotionally involved in wanting a new van that the important detail is missed.)

We don't know what the future of diesel vehicles will be value wise in 5 years.  Whilst the Budget has said business is as usual with vans, things can quickly change driven by public opinion and pressure groups.

Having worked in business van sales to the industry, leasing or contract hiring a van is mainly done by big business. It usually means that they put down a small payment up front and then pay a month rental, all prices quoted will be plus VAT. With contract hire the vehicle is an expense but isn't an asset on the books of the business. Having equipment on contract hire makes the business look better, especially those listed on the stock exchange.

If you think that it will be easier to lease a van because of a poor credit rating, you need to rethink that. Finance houses are stricter than with HP as they have more to loose, especially at the beginning.

A maintenance contract is extra and is generally a good profit maker for the finance house. Some packages also include fair wear and tear tyres, but you are paying for the privilege of peace of mind motoring.
You can take out a separate maintenance contract with any new or nearly new vehicle even if you paid cash for it. Finance house love is value added extra - value added for them and extra commission for the saleman that is.

A new van will be under warranty for the first year. Then Citroen offer a dealer extended warranty for the next 2 years which means that cover is limited. Running costs aren't high in the first couple of years of the vans life. People start to get needlessly worried and apprehensive when the first MOT is due.

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Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Spruce

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Re: vanarama customers 😊
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2017, 01:32:29 pm »
For a little extra every month you could have the Peugeot Partner L1 with 850kg payload and 99bhp (better performance and slightly better economy).
Also it looks as if the Partner is offered with a bulkhead and a hard plastic load liner and the Berlingo isn't.
http://www.vanarama.co.uk/peugeot-van-leasing/partner/850-1-6-bluehdi-100-professional-van-9719.html

I don't like the wording just before the monthly price - from only ..........

This generally means its the bog standard vehicle that's click bait for a better sale at a higher price. Its a sell up model and a sell up price. The motor trade do it all the time.

The box a little lower is more meaningful - GET MY QUOTE NOW.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Stoots

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Re: vanarama customers 😊
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2017, 01:36:19 pm »
Can you not get a hp?

I looked at leasing a couple of months ago before I got my van but it doesn't make much sense unless your dead set on a brand new van....

Mine wasn't a new one, I got a  3 year old partner with 40k on the clock...I'm paying 170 pm for 36 months.

Should still be a good van when I've paid it off as do less than 10k a year, so looked after should last me forever if I wanted it to...But once I've paid it off I've always the option of selling it and putting it towards another newer hp purchase.

Don't lease if you can avoid it.

andyM

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Re: vanarama customers 😊
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2017, 02:12:14 pm »
I would agree with some of the opinions voiced so far.
When I was considering a new van several years ago I looked at leasing and HP etc. and it didn't make financial sense for me as a sole trader to go down that road.
I ended up buying a 3 month old pre-registered van with 75 miles on the clock with a substantial discount (3k+) over a "new" vehicle.
My advice would be that if you don't have funds to purchase another vehicle then seek out offers of finance from Banks and  Lenders to see what's available, and then look at the van deals around on the internet and haggle to get the best price.

One of the Plebs

KS Cleaning

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Re: vanarama customers 😊
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2017, 03:46:43 pm »
Merry Christmas everyone.

Unfortunately my van looks done.

Been told by RAC man cambelt snapped and most likely a write off😢

Looking at vanarama contract finance 5 yr deal all in £192 a month. Just diesel and insurance needed apparently, everything else catered for.

Other option is finance lease not sure now if same care package but first years road tax included.
Then sell van after 5 years privately and give vanarama £3250  any profit made is mine.

Looking at the citoren berlingo 75bhp bulkhead and rook rack included.
Has sat nav and i think parking sensors etc.

What do you guys go for contract or finance leasing?

Only thing putting me off contract leaseing is how tough they could be hitting me with a bill at end of contract regarding van condition.

What's your thoughts to those who lease.

Many thanks lee.
Don't be fooled by low monthly payments, the truth is you will be paying top dollar for the van. If you have good credit history the cheapest way is to get a personal loan, you will get one at around 3% APR if you have a decent income. HP and PCP are much higher at around 10% APR.

Shrek

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Re: vanarama customers 😊
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2017, 04:20:17 pm »
You can get a John Lewis loan for £15k over 5 years at 2.9% for £269 a month.

Jonny 87

  • Posts: 3512
Re: vanarama customers 😊
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2017, 04:23:04 pm »
It all Depends on how you view things, and what your situation is.

Can you afford the monthly price of the lease with ease, and are you likely to change your vehicles every three to four years regardless of lease or not?

If you like hassle free driving and like to keep
Your vehicles new rather than running until you have issues, then lease can work for you.

I’ve done both. Bought a new van this year, (pre registered) and I’ve also just signed up for 4 year lease (vehicle has 5 year warranty) on a new jeep with vanarama, the jeep is replacing a car, and being used as a second work vehicle.

Both for me have advantages, and it’s really horses for courses. The jeep is going to be hassle free driving, so far as even if there is anything wrong with the jeep, they will take it away and deliver me a new one.

The payments are far less than if I wanted to buy a new jeep through the traditional finance route.

The major down side is that at the end of the 4 years, you don’t have a vehicle to sell as deposit for a new one. If you don’t feel that’s an issue and are happy to put a few thousand down as deposit every 3 or 4 years and lease a new vehicle then leasing is a good option.

So far I’m happy, and vanarama are the most widely used and respected leasing company in the uk so you shouldn’t have any issues. There policy’s of “condition” when returned are very reasonable from the research I’ve done. They expect marks and scratches, just not for it to be wrecked. I look after my vehicles, so don’t see it being a problem.

As spruce advised though, ignore the “from” price, and phone up to get a quote. It will be higher than advertised.

Vision Technician / Visual Engineer /  Vision Enhancement Operative /...........................................................OnlyUseMeWFP AkA Jonny the Windy Wesher

dazmond

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Re: vanarama customers 😊
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2017, 04:27:35 pm »
Merry Christmas everyone.

Unfortunately my van looks done.

Been told by RAC man cambelt snapped and most likely a write off😢

Looking at vanarama contract finance 5 yr deal all in £192 a month. Just diesel and insurance needed apparently, everything else catered for.

Other option is finance lease not sure now if same care package but first years road tax included.
Then sell van after 5 years privately and give vanarama £3250  any profit made is mine.

Looking at the citoren berlingo 75bhp bulkhead and rook rack included.
Has sat nav and i think parking sensors etc.

What do you guys go for contract or finance leasing?

Only thing putting me off contract leaseing is how tough they could be hitting me with a bill at end of contract regarding van condition.

What's your thoughts to those who lease.

Many thanks lee.

its about time you got a new van lee!i cant believe its lasted all this time! :)

i lease mine.i have the option to pay a 7k balloon at the end and keep the van or sell it/give it back and get another brand new one.ive not decided what to do yet.ive got over 4 years to make my mind up!

i put some prices up to cover  the monthly rental so i dont even notice the payments going out really.

im with vanarama too.they ve been good to deal with.very professional company.i had a brand new van on my drive within 3 weeks.one of the best things ive done for my business IMO.
price higher/work harder!

lee_dewing

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Re: vanarama customers 😊
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2017, 05:33:36 pm »
Thanks everyone very interesting views and good points.

I do have a good credit history.

But unfortunately not alot of savings 😢
Probably £1000-£1500 deposit.

I'm a bit worried of the future of diesel vans.

So thinking lease rather than buy.

Unfortunately vans seem to depreciate quite rapidly probably ford, vw hold their value better.

I've never looked into extended warranties.

I have rented a ford courier that I pick up tomorrow £180 Thursday 14th to Friday 22 Dec return 5 pm 😂

Have to make a decision over Christmas lease, buy new, buy 3+ yr old van.

I'm not very good at making decisions 😞

But thanks again everyone.

Yes Daz had old van July 2004 to Dec 2017 2001 plate.

Like losing an old friend.

Anyone no how I dispose of old van?

Currently on garage forecourt will pop in tomorrow.
Do I arrange someone to scrap for me.

Am I liable to pay the garage anything for my old van being on their property ie storage?

Old van is undriveable.

Thanks again everyone.
Pleasure in the job puts perfection in the work.     - Aristotle

Smudger

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Re: vanarama customers 😊
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2017, 05:47:55 pm »
Things I found to be wary of are Annual mileage and condition they can charge you per mile over the agreed distance which maybe as low as 5k and will bill you to repair scratches drilled holes ( if fitting a tank ) and you must service it as required at authorised dealership

Vsnarama maybe different but make sure of all the terms and your commitments

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

dazmond

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Re: vanarama customers 😊
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2017, 06:28:45 pm »
Things I found to be wary of are Annual mileage and condition they can charge you per mile over the agreed distance which maybe as low as 5k and will bill you to repair scratches drilled holes ( if fitting a tank ) and you must service it as required at authorised dealership

Vsnarama maybe different but make sure of all the terms and your commitments

Darran

thats only if contract hire not business finance lease.you can do what the hell you want with the van but its in your interest to look after it. :)
price higher/work harder!

Smudger

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Re: vanarama customers 😊
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2017, 06:34:42 pm »
Disagree brother in law had a connect dented wing and side door repair cost was 1800 quid this was added to the ballon payment

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

STEVE-UK

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Re: vanarama customers 😊
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2017, 06:51:07 pm »
I would recommend nationwide vehicle contract hire

We’ve had a few vans through Nationwide and never been charged at the end of the contract

Plankton

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Re: vanarama customers 😊
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2017, 06:53:52 pm »
Disagree brother in law had a connect dented wing and side door repair cost was 1800 quid this was added to the ballon payment

Darran
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They charged me £180 for a missing key but I asked for a copy of the guys check sheet on collection so I got it back.
I personally wouldn't use Vanarama, after being messed about for around a month I went elsewhere. Their manager didn't even bother his arse contacting me after I raised a complaint and wouldn't take my calls. Plenty of companies out there!

dazmond

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Re: vanarama customers 😊
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2017, 06:56:11 pm »
Disagree brother in law had a connect dented wing and side door repair cost was 1800 quid this was added to the ballon payment

Darran

 the balloon payment is fixed.if i pay it the vans mine regardless of whether theirs a few scratches/dents etc.
price higher/work harder!

Plankton

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Re: vanarama customers 😊
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2017, 06:57:54 pm »
Things I found to be wary of are Annual mileage and condition they can charge you per mile over the agreed distance which maybe as low as 5k and will bill you to repair scratches drilled holes ( if fitting a tank ) and you must service it as required at authorised dealership

Vsnarama maybe different but make sure of all the terms and your commitments

Darran
Doesn't have to be a dealership, you can take it to Kwickpoop or Halfuds

dazmond

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Re: vanarama customers 😊
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2017, 08:12:58 am »
Disagree brother in law had a connect dented wing and side door repair cost was 1800 quid this was added to the ballon payment

Darran

so did he pay it and keep the van?or hand it back?
price higher/work harder!

Jonny 87

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Re: vanarama customers 😊
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2017, 08:15:47 am »
Disagree brother in law had a connect dented wing and side door repair cost was 1800 quid this was added to the ballon payment

Darran

so did he pay it and keep the van?or hand it back?

Doesn’t make sense having a balloon payment and paying for damages?

The balloon payment is to take the vehicle away and essentially buy it off the leasing company. They won’t care how damaged it is, aslong as they get there balloon.
Vision Technician / Visual Engineer /  Vision Enhancement Operative /...........................................................OnlyUseMeWFP AkA Jonny the Windy Wesher