[Stoots]

Nathan and Adam have opposing opinions here and strangly I think they might both be right

Whether you think you can or you can't..
You are right 

[Crystal-clear]

The warning signs already exist if he can only manage 2 mornings a week. Inclement weather,van breaks down,you will still need to pay him.Also 5 weeks of holiday at 2 mornings a week.Employers liability and if he gets hurt in any way expect a claim! A rod for your own back springs to mind. Feel your brain frying when he is late or cutting corners and even worse if you see him texting.Phone in the van rule from outset.Family "tie" makes it worse.It could well slow you down and then any perceived benefits are lost.
You might well be forking out money for a hindrance.
There will be a day when you don't want to be working but he is expecting his £8 an hour.
On the plus side,hmmmm,I,m not seeing one.
These are some of the reasons why over the years many on here get rid of all staff and keep for themselves a manageable round and live in eternal bliss though you may well prefer different.
While all your intentions are most likely honourable your goodwill might disappear when you realise you became a charity.

And on the flip side theres guys out there with a dozen vans on the road obviously making a success of it.
If everyone let potential road blocks stand in their way no one would ever achieve anything in life.

Why bother, its too hard...

Both so True but the freedom you have not being responsible for anyone but yourself does tempt those who tried to scale down
Guess you'll really need to want it

[nathankaye]

Nathan and Adam have opposing opinions here and strangly I think they might both be right

 
Dont think ive posted on this thread

[Shrek]

After all that , the tosser didn't turn up for another wfp session. 6 hours later he apparently just got signal and received my texts 

Think il sack him off before he starts

[Stoots]

After all that , the tosser didn't turn up for another wfp session. 6 hours later he apparently just got signal and received my texts 

Think il sack him off before he starts

Not a good start if you already think hes a tosser 

[Crystal-clear]

After all that , the tosser didn't turn up for another wfp session. 6 hours later he apparently just got signal and received my texts 

Think il sack him off before he starts

classic stuff
now imagine if u hired an accountant put him on the books then had to fire him before he even put brush to glass lol
this is the sort of stuff why alot of people get drained and revert to working alone with maybe the odd subby helping out now and again
but it can be rewarding its all down to u so dont give up and go for it if you want too;)

[dazmond]

you dont need a worker if you can only offer 2 mornings a week.why not one full day instead of 2 mornings by the way?

[NWH]

Is he self employed what on £8 an hour 😂 good luck finding someone that bothers to turn over in the morning and fart for that kind of money these days,have you been in prison for the last 20 years thinking you can get away with paying  that amount of money 

[NWH]

Tell him I'll have him for the other 3 days a week at that rate please I'll drop down to a 3 day week lol.

[Stoots]

Tell him I'll have him for the other 3 days a week at that rate please I'll drop down to a 3 day week lol.

Plenty of guys will work for that near me.

Plus side of being up north I guess, we might not get your prices but minimum wage jobs are rife.

[Shrek]

Family issues! My sister (his mrs) does care work (zero hours) and she's only off on Thursday & Friday mornings , that's why I could offer him those hours. And they've got a baby in the house
I think he's just lazy though so I'm not gonna bother

[Shrek]

Is he self employed what on £8 an hour 😂 good luck finding someone that bothers to turn over in the morning and fart for that kind of money these days,have you been in prison for the last 20 years thinking you can get away with paying  that amount of money

The minimum wage is £7.50

[NWH]

The minimum wage maybe that but why do you think we have the political problems we have,wages are not back 10-15 years they are more like 25 years with what the cost of living is today. If you are on the minimum wage or anywhere near it you can barely survive rent bills food clothes train and bus fares and running a vehicle is never gonna happen,people paying the so called minimum wage is 1 of the main reasons this country struggles to get people off benefits because they are better off on them. I couldn't pay someone that kind of money these days it would give me no reason to expect them to take pride in there work or be reliable its pittance.

[Shrek]

The minimum wage maybe that but why do you think we have the political problems we have,wages are not back 10-15 years they are more like 25 years with what the cost of living is today. If you are on the minimum wage or anywhere near it you can barely survive rent bills food clothes train and bus fares and running a vehicle is never gonna happen,people paying the so called minimum wage is 1 of the main reasons this country struggles to get people off benefits because they are better off on them. I couldn't pay someone that kind of money these days it would give me no reason to expect them to take pride in there work or be reliable its pittance.

He'd be working with me , so he doesn't have any expenses.
Also - look at my face .... am I boverrd?!

[NWH]

lol I bet your not bothered if it's long term it'll end up being short term or it would down this way,I'd love to have someone that would work for that and be reliable and competent at what they do. If it was that easy we'd all be doing it employing people like that i mean.

[NWH]

You say he doesn't have any expenses lol could he afford to have any then,I can remember going out with a bucket and sponge and getiting more cleaning cars 🚗 😂

[Shrek]

You say he doesn't have any expenses lol could he afford to have any then,I can remember going out with a bucket and sponge and getiting more cleaning cars 🚗 😂

Well done Nigel

[Stoots]

I managed fine for 15 years on minimum wage and I know as lot of people who do.

Yes things are quite tight but that's just seen as normal. That's life for a lot of people it's not easy. It's certainly not easy for someone with no qualifications to walk into an unskilled job (like window cleaning) and expect to earn more than 8 quid an hour. A quick look in the local job centre near me would show a whole host of unskilled work going for 8 quid an hour from warehouse to driving jobs and lots more.

It's much different if you can turn over 300 a day in your area then you can pay more but if you are turning over 150-200 a day you just can't pay much more than that.

In the last few months I've had two guys ring me at random looking for work. One  was on 7.50  the other was being paid 60 quid a day. Both currently window cleaners looking for more hours

[nathankaye]

Out of curiosity what is the going rate for a days work for an employeee window cleaner!??

Because at the end of the day he or she is just that an emoloyee!!  I know cleaners self employed who charge between 10 n 20 and hour!!  and they are self employed and get asked to clean windows for their employers.
So is it really wrong to pay a going hourly rate the same as most employed people receive and like most employers you can set incentives and disciplinary rules in play as well which shows your being serious about this yourself as an employer!

[NWH]

In my experience in this job paying by the hour does not work long term you need to give more of an incentive than that you can clean loads and loads of Windows with 1 of you in an hour let alone 2,it doesn't take long for your help to figure that one out. Not saying paying an hourly rate won't work it may well do but if you want someone that can think for thereself and continue to turn up and is callable of going out on there own then I think you need to think again,if you get to the point you can send someone out on there own and know they'll do the job right then benefits of employing will be seen. I can only see paying that kind of money a situation that'll on last short term.