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Stoots

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Re: £60-£80 an hour target for cream jobs
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2017, 10:26:35 am »
Mines only just reached what I would call somewhat/almost/nearly full. (Just edged past 300 custies)

Of course if you are a one man band you should be refining all the times otherwise it will just stagnate. But personally I think it will be easier and faster to get another van out than  spend years refining and looking for better work.

the thing is adam you need double the work you ve got now and a decent honest worker to earn more money.it wont be easier thats for sure.

its far easier to stay on your own and refine your work over time without the hassle of employing and all the stress and faffing about that comes with it.not to mention the extra overheads,wages,etc,etc.

 the extra £22,000-£23,000 i earn a year compared to 7 years ago has come from price rises,new work ive picked up mainly from recommendation and word of mouth and the odd bit of canvassing/leafleting.

ive virtually had to do nothing to gain better paying work apart from cleaning my regular work to a good standard and on time.

depends what you want and how you want to live your life.i dont handle stress very well so i try and keep it to a minimum.employing would just add to the stress/hassle for me plus i dont trust other people when it comes to work/money.

Heres the thing for me though.

I dont think I want to be cleaning windows 4-5 days a week (I say think as we can all change our minds over the years) for the next 30 years (I'm 35 now).  I just think there is potential to get more out of this game than that.

The way I'm looking at it at the minute is a could have 2 vans out doing 80k a year turnover leaving me with 40k pre tax profit which is about the same as me working solo 30 hours a week.  The only thing I would have to do is the admin side of things and fill in for sick days or hols etc. Or I could work a couple of days a week in one of the vans or get a third van or whatever really.

I dont think I would want a massive fleet just keep it under vat and make an efficient small operation that gives me maximum freedom.

Another option then available would be to look at a different unrelated business venture to avoid going into vat.

I suppose I have realised through starting out in this business it is the business side of things I really enjoy, I want good money but also a good amount of freedom. I certainly don't want to be doing physical graft everyday until retirement.

Also 7 years to get an extra 20k is a long time, that's probably one employee with a full round for him. Could be done in 2 years or less.

dazmond

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Re: £60-£80 an hour target for cream jobs
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2017, 10:36:40 am »
i see working 4 or 5 days a week freedom adam esp only working around 6 hours a day!(some times less!)as i used to work 60 hour weeks years ago.

i like to work and keep busy and my take home pay is usually over 30k a year after ALL expenses,taxes and insurances have been deducted(although i think itll be a bit less this year).im happy with that.
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Stoots

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Re: £60-£80 an hour target for cream jobs
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2017, 10:47:43 am »
i see working 4 or 5 days a week freedom adam esp only working around 6 hours a day!(some times less!)as i used to work 60 hour weeks years ago.

i like to work and keep busy and my take home pay is usually over 30k a year after ALL expenses,taxes and insurances have been deducted(although i think itll be a bit less this year).im happy with that.

See I don't think it is.

It's certainly more freedom than being employed but in order to keep your customers and earn your money you still have to go out and work 5-6 hours a day week in week out whether you like it or not. That's not freedom really, I think we get a false sense of it being self employed but in reality if we stop the whole thing stops.

Its not a bad life though is it.

I think I'm motivated more by freedom than I am money. Graft my arse of everyday for a million a year or have 100k a year and not have to lift a finger I'd take the 100k. Would rather have the spare time to spend with family, hobby's and holidays etc. Of course you need certain level of income to do that and a certain amount of work to keep you sanity but it's having options that is motivating to me. Self employment is good but it's still slavery.

 8)

jo5hm4n

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Re: £60-£80 an hour target for cream jobs
« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2017, 11:50:04 am »
I aim for Around £40 min per hour with £250 as daily minimum, some hours i hit £60 per hour but only on really good compact work, which i dont have alot of.  For me its about constantly dissolving the bottom as you raise the top.  Getting rid of spaced out low payers or awkward jobs and slowly and steadily replacing with higher priced compacted good quality customers.  The goal is to eventually have a fully compacted full business turning over £50-£60 every hour.

Difficult though as i dont have the time to canvas really anymore, i'm training up a canvasser hes only done a few hours for me so its early stages at present.

Good to see how everybody else is trying to constantly improve and progress their business forward, i know for myself there is areas i can be constantly improving in.  This in itself is good for you, because bettering yourself stops you from getting in a rut and getting bored.  Always try to improve everything you do in all aspects of your life.

"Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there."

dazmond

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Re: £60-£80 an hour target for cream jobs
« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2017, 12:14:02 pm »
i see working 4 or 5 days a week freedom adam esp only working around 6 hours a day!(some times less!)as i used to work 60 hour weeks years ago.

i like to work and keep busy and my take home pay is usually over 30k a year after ALL expenses,taxes and insurances have been deducted(although i think itll be a bit less this year).im happy with that.

See I don't think it is.

It's certainly more freedom than being employed but in order to keep your customers and earn your money you still have to go out and work 5-6 hours a day week in week out whether you like it or not. That's not freedom really, I think we get a false sense of it being self employed but in reality if we stop the whole thing stops.

Its not a bad life though is it.

I think I'm motivated more by freedom than I am money. Graft my arse of everyday for a million a year or have 100k a year and not have to lift a finger I'd take the 100k. Would rather have the spare time to spend with family, hobby's and holidays etc. Of course you need certain level of income to do that and a certain amount of work to keep you sanity but it's having options that is motivating to me. Self employment is good but it's still slavery.

 8)

I still have plenty of time for hobbies (gym and playing drums in a band)plus taking the missus out! ;)
price higher/work harder!

nathankaye

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Re: £60-£80 an hour target for cream jobs
« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2017, 02:09:59 pm »
This is why i get angry when accused of splash n dash poor quality etc etc. Because im not racing around each day or each week.

Ive been doing  this for many yrs (which i keep harping on about) and have established rounds. The advantage that gives me is that i have compact rounds segmented per week. So as long as i get the weeks allocated work done then im happy.
How its been for last several months is;
Week 1 is my smallest round that if i raced round as in no breaks and no chatting would be done in a day n half. So that gives me many days that week to play with either for add on jobs or family time or even any overflow from the proceeding week.  Mostly its 2 days or i can drag it out for three depending my mood.

Week 2 is my largest round which can be done comfortably in 4 days but again depending mood i have that 5th day to play with.

Week 3 i do 3 rounds which take between 1.5 - 2 days each.

Week 4 is the last part of my entire round which steadily gets done by wed or by working solid it would be complete by tue.

Im mostly helping with my young family in a morning and so not setting off till 9am and im mostly back home by 4 or half four at the latest.

With having the set work, i earn x amount per month. The day rate to me is irrelevant  as it depends how i feel, but provided it all gets in the bank by end of the month i dont pay attention to hourly rates. Because as you rightly mentioned this can fluctuate. I have houses as cheap as £8 per clean (before i set the 10 min charge) up untill £50 - £90.......so dont really get hung up on those details n dont drive you n your wife into the ground worrying overly much

you still must  be pushing it to clean 15 houses in 2 hours.why are you faster than lots of other window cleaners that have been cleaning for years too?

3 or 4 three bed semis  an hour (if their all compact)going at a steady pace cleaning all sills,doors,frames as well as glass is the norm.maybe 5 if pushing it a bit but 7 or 8 in an hour?corners are well and truly being cut somewhere mate.

Daz i would agree with you. On the houses your using in the example i would say i clean about 4.5 an hour, which my rounds allow for.
I dont understand how its hard to understand how i couldnt clean 15 hours from the video which i mentioned 15 houses as i showed the houses i was cleaning. Lol im on that part this tuesday (5th sep) and im half wondering about showing a vid or a vid of a house before and after cleaning. Because as iv pointed out many a times, these houses have virtually no obstructions, ie open double drives so i can easily walk round two houses with ease!!  Its a small cul de sac and so its very compact indeed and ive cleaned it for 15yrs, so i know the best route to tackle the houses (ie how many to clean this side before i cross over for the other side etc).   I also dont clean the frames every time for the sake of cleaning them, because my frames dont require it every 4 weeks. Obviously the ones which do, obviously get cleaned!!   No they are not bad with cobwebs or spider poo or the like!! hence why i might do a vid showing the windows before the clean and after.

Also its only this cul de sac where i clean as many houses in a short time. But then the estate i clean from that is less than a minute away and are slightly bigger in size but they have boundary fences n gates etc and so i clean about 4 or 5 an hour (by time im knocking off its about four per hour). So on this day i clean way more than 30 houses in a day!!

(Let the insults n disbelieve begin)
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Re: £60-£80 an hour target for cream jobs
« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2017, 05:01:54 pm »
This is why i get angry when accused of splash n dash poor quality etc etc. Because im not racing around each day or each week.

Ive been doing  this for many yrs (which i keep harping on about) and have established rounds. The advantage that gives me is that i have compact rounds segmented per week. So as long as i get the weeks allocated work done then im happy.
How its been for last several months is;
Week 1 is my smallest round that if i raced round as in no breaks and no chatting would be done in a day n half. So that gives me many days that week to play with either for add on jobs or family time or even any overflow from the proceeding week.  Mostly its 2 days or i can drag it out for three depending my mood.

Week 2 is my largest round which can be done comfortably in 4 days but again depending mood i have that 5th day to play with.

Week 3 i do 3 rounds which take between 1.5 - 2 days each.

Week 4 is the last part of my entire round which steadily gets done by wed or by working solid it would be complete by tue.

Im mostly helping with my young family in a morning and so not setting off till 9am and im mostly back home by 4 or half four at the latest.

With having the set work, i earn x amount per month. The day rate to me is irrelevant  as it depends how i feel, but provided it all gets in the bank by end of the month i dont pay attention to hourly rates. Because as you rightly mentioned this can fluctuate. I have houses as cheap as £8 per clean (before i set the 10 min charge) up untill £50 - £90.......so dont really get hung up on those details n dont drive you n your wife into the ground worrying overly much

you still must  be pushing it to clean 15 houses in 2 hours.why are you faster than lots of other window cleaners that have been cleaning for years too?

3 or 4 three bed semis  an hour (if their all compact)going at a steady pace cleaning all sills,doors,frames as well as glass is the norm.maybe 5 if pushing it a bit but 7 or 8 in an hour?corners are well and truly being cut somewhere mate.

Daz i would agree with you. On the houses your using in the example i would say i clean about 4.5 an hour, which my rounds allow for.
I dont understand how its hard to understand how i couldnt clean 15 hours from the video which i mentioned 15 houses as i showed the houses i was cleaning. Lol im on that part this tuesday (5th sep) and im half wondering about showing a vid or a vid of a house before and after cleaning. Because as iv pointed out many a times, these houses have virtually no obstructions, ie open double drives so i can easily walk round two houses with ease!!  Its a small cul de sac and so its very compact indeed and ive cleaned it for 15yrs, so i know the best route to tackle the houses (ie how many to clean this side before i cross over for the other side etc).   I also dont clean the frames every time for the sake of cleaning them, because my frames dont require it every 4 weeks. Obviously the ones which do, obviously get cleaned!!   No they are not bad with cobwebs or spider poo or the like!! hence why i might do a vid showing the windows before the clean and after.

Also its only this cul de sac where i clean as many houses in a short time. But then the estate i clean from that is less than a minute away and are slightly bigger in size but they have boundary fences n gates etc and so i clean about 4 or 5 an hour (by time im knocking off its about four per hour). So on this day i clean way more than 30 houses in a day!!

(Let the insults n disbelieve begin)

You need to keep track on what your saying Nathan, 30 to 35 properties a day in 5 or so hours is the norm for you since using hot
that even allows time for the odd Toby's and a pint, before hot it took you a full day.
Your only getting your own words thrown back at you.

nathankaye

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Re: £60-£80 an hour target for cream jobs
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2017, 06:05:30 pm »
This is why i get angry when accused of splash n dash poor quality etc etc. Because im not racing around each day or each week.

Ive been doing  this for many yrs (which i keep harping on about) and have established rounds. The advantage that gives me is that i have compact rounds segmented per week. So as long as i get the weeks allocated work done then im happy.
How its been for last several months is;
Week 1 is my smallest round that if i raced round as in no breaks and no chatting would be done in a day n half. So that gives me many days that week to play with either for add on jobs or family time or even any overflow from the proceeding week.  Mostly its 2 days or i can drag it out for three depending my mood.

Week 2 is my largest round which can be done comfortably in 4 days but again depending mood i have that 5th day to play with.

Week 3 i do 3 rounds which take between 1.5 - 2 days each.

Week 4 is the last part of my entire round which steadily gets done by wed or by working solid it would be complete by tue.

Im mostly helping with my young family in a morning and so not setting off till 9am and im mostly back home by 4 or half four at the latest.

With having the set work, i earn x amount per month. The day rate to me is irrelevant  as it depends how i feel, but provided it all gets in the bank by end of the month i dont pay attention to hourly rates. Because as you rightly mentioned this can fluctuate. I have houses as cheap as £8 per clean (before i set the 10 min charge) up untill £50 - £90.......so dont really get hung up on those details n dont drive you n your wife into the ground worrying overly much

you still must  be pushing it to clean 15 houses in 2 hours.why are you faster than lots of other window cleaners that have been cleaning for years too?

3 or 4 three bed semis  an hour (if their all compact)going at a steady pace cleaning all sills,doors,frames as well as glass is the norm.maybe 5 if pushing it a bit but 7 or 8 in an hour?corners are well and truly being cut somewhere mate.

Daz i would agree with you. On the houses your using in the example i would say i clean about 4.5 an hour, which my rounds allow for.
I dont understand how its hard to understand how i couldnt clean 15 hours from the video which i mentioned 15 houses as i showed the houses i was cleaning. Lol im on that part this tuesday (5th sep) and im half wondering about showing a vid or a vid of a house before and after cleaning. Because as iv pointed out many a times, these houses have virtually no obstructions, ie open double drives so i can easily walk round two houses with ease!!  Its a small cul de sac and so its very compact indeed and ive cleaned it for 15yrs, so i know the best route to tackle the houses (ie how many to clean this side before i cross over for the other side etc).   I also dont clean the frames every time for the sake of cleaning them, because my frames dont require it every 4 weeks. Obviously the ones which do, obviously get cleaned!!   No they are not bad with cobwebs or spider poo or the like!! hence why i might do a vid showing the windows before the clean and after.

Also its only this cul de sac where i clean as many houses in a short time. But then the estate i clean from that is less than a minute away and are slightly bigger in size but they have boundary fences n gates etc and so i clean about 4 or 5 an hour (by time im knocking off its about four per hour). So on this day i clean way more than 30 houses in a day!!

(Let the insults n disbelieve begin)

You need to keep track on what your saying Nathan, 30 to 35 properties a day in 5 or so hours is the norm for you since using hot
that even allows time for the odd Toby's and a pint, before hot it took you a full day.
Your only getting your own words thrown back at you.

Nope, in the above quotations i dont see anything thats contradicting.  Ive not claimed anywhere else of cleaning 15 houses in just over 2 hours have i apart from this round in question!!   I also mentioned im cleaning 4 - 5 houses per hour afterwards.  In many of the times i have spoken off, i mention i mostly start at 9 and finish anywhere betweeen 3 - 4.30  which gives 6hours or more pending the rounds that im on.
Also if you look at my first comment on thus thread it gives a little more details as to how i work.........or how if i want to do a video or break for lunch and grab a carvery i can do so!!   You can also see that there may be 2 wks in a month if i cant be bothered to work at my normal pace than it will be a full 5 days work but the remaining 2 weeks is somewhat different.
So no, unless ive missed something i cant see where my words are coming back to haunt me.

In addition i know chaps who only knock out maybe 3 houses of average size an hour and if they are happy with that, thats great.  I also belief someone on a different thread posted how they also have cleaned a good number of houses in a day which again highlights how it can be done.
Also anywhere in between is also ok, do i fully understand how some feel they have to flood a window or house before they are convinced of a quality clean. Or they feel that 3 or 5 agitations is better than 1 or 2 or that several rinses are better than one!!  No, thats for them to decide all ive ever said is experiment and find out for sure and push yourself to perfect your best.  Thats what i do and it works for me!! 

I dont particularly care, but my flaw is that i bite at how people feel if they cant do so and their quality suffers then everybody elses must as well. No additional thoughts are taken into account of all the variables which go into the arguement.
For instance; the video where my mic didnt work to well. Someone (cant recall who n cant be arsed to search) mentioned how the vid shows a 14inch brush n 6 jets doesnt work better than the standard 12 inch 2 jet brush. Because i used it side wards on....half on frame n half on glass. But 3 jets per half of brush, so frame n glass gets cleaned at the same time. Continuing down the glass, im effectively doing two passes in one go (if ones actually stop n think about it), then add into account i use hot water and a 5mpl pump at a flow rate of 80!! The water flow and spread is very similar to gardiners big fan jet vid which is doing its rounds on here.

Maybe im in a less polluted pocket than most or some other reason why, according to some i shouldnt have clean windows n frames every four weeks to what im claiming. Perhaps im not that cursed with bad luck as i thought   ;D
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Stoots

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Re: £60-£80 an hour target for cream jobs
« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2017, 08:18:12 pm »
I tend not to believe or dis believe anyone but myself when it comes to things like this.

I know from my own experience and experimentation how fast i can clean a house AND achieve a result im happy with. On the vast majority of my work  that seems to be about 3 houses an hour. With most of my round consisting of semis and small detatched.

I only have one street where i can do more than one house without moving the van though.

JandS

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Re: £60-£80 an hour target for cream jobs
« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2017, 08:31:18 pm »
I can go a good half day without moving van some days.
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

paul alan

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Re: £60-£80 an hour target for cream jobs
« Reply #30 on: September 03, 2017, 09:19:25 pm »
I havnt moved the van for 3 days

Tom-01

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Re: £60-£80 an hour target for cream jobs
« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2017, 06:49:41 am »
Mines only just reached what I would call somewhat/almost/nearly full. (Just edged past 300 custies)

Of course if you are a one man band you should be refining all the times otherwise it will just stagnate. But personally I think it will be easier and faster to get another van out than  spend years refining and looking for better work.

the thing is adam you need double the work you ve got now and a decent honest worker to earn more money.it wont be easier thats for sure.

its far easier to stay on your own and refine your work over time without the hassle of employing and all the stress and faffing about that comes with it.not to mention the extra overheads,wages,etc,etc.

 the extra £22,000-£23,000 i earn a year compared to 7 years ago has come from price rises,new work ive picked up mainly from recommendation and word of mouth and the odd bit of canvassing/leafleting.

ive virtually had to do nothing to gain better paying work apart from cleaning my regular work to a good standard and on time.

depends what you want and how you want to live your life.i dont handle stress very well so i try and keep it to a minimum.employing would just add to the stress/hassle for me plus i dont trust other people when it comes to work/money.

Heres the thing for me though.

I dont think I want to be cleaning windows 4-5 days a week (I say think as we can all change our minds over the years) for the next 30 years (I'm 35 now).  I just think there is potential to get more out of this game than that.

The way I'm looking at it at the minute is a could have 2 vans out doing 80k a year turnover leaving me with 40k pre tax profit which is about the same as me working solo 30 hours a week.  The only thing I would have to do is the admin side of things and fill in for sick days or hols etc. Or I could work a couple of days a week in one of the vans or get a third van or whatever really.

I dont think I would want a massive fleet just keep it under vat and make an efficient small operation that gives me maximum freedom.

Another option then available would be to look at a different unrelated business venture to avoid going into vat.

I suppose I have realised through starting out in this business it is the business side of things I really enjoy, I want good money but also a good amount of freedom. I certainly don't want to be doing physical graft everyday until retirement.

Also 7 years to get an extra 20k is a long time, that's probably one employee with a full round for him. Could be done in 2 years or less.

I think you may have underestimated the costs a bit there.. two vans, two sets of wages, two insurances, fuel, plus all other costs would cost more than £40k per year.

dazmond

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Re: £60-£80 an hour target for cream jobs
« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2017, 07:26:32 am »
i see working 4 or 5 days a week freedom adam esp only working around 6 hours a day!(some times less!)as i used to work 60 hour weeks years ago.

i like to work and keep busy and my take home pay is usually over 30k a year after ALL expenses,taxes and insurances have been deducted(although i think itll be a bit less this year).im happy with that.

See I don't think it is.

It's certainly more freedom than being employed but in order to keep your customers and earn your money you still have to go out and work 5-6 hours a day week in week out whether you like it or not. That's not freedom really, I think we get a false sense of it being self employed but in reality if we stop the whole thing stops.

Its not a bad life though is it.

I think I'm motivated more by freedom than I am money. Graft my arse of everyday for a million a year or have 100k a year and not have to lift a finger I'd take the 100k. Would rather have the spare time to spend with family, hobby's and holidays etc. Of course you need certain level of income to do that and a certain amount of work to keep you sanity but it's having options that is motivating to me. Self employment is good but it's still slavery.

 8)

the thing is mate me and you have totally different attitudes.so you want more time to spend with family,hobbies and holidays?how much time do you want with them if your only working 4 or 5 days a week for 5 or 6 hours a day?some people would love hours like that.

take a good look around you and other people and the jobs they do and hours they work.i consider myself very lucky indeed to be in the position im in.i love being a window cleaner even after 24 years of it as it allows me to live a  comfortable life with a good income.

im a grafter though.always have been.ive only been out of work for 10 months in 28 years of my working life.ill probably still be window cleaning when im 70 like a few other guys i know (albeit with less hours) ;D
price higher/work harder!

Mick Kent

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Re: £60-£80 an hour target for cream jobs
« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2017, 08:27:41 am »
Surely £60-80ph is the norm glass time anyway with wfp, cream work is £150/200ph
Thats how i find it anyway, if you cant clean 6 small terrace houses at £10 or 4 medium semis at £15 or even 3 large semis at £20 an hour then your doing something wrong?

Shrek

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Re: £60-£80 an hour target for cream jobs
« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2017, 08:29:24 am »
Surely £60-80ph is the norm glass time anyway with wfp, cream work is £150/200ph
Thats how i find it anyway, if you cant clean 6 small terrace houses at £10 or 4 medium semis at £15 or even 3 large semis at £20 an hour then your doing something wrong?

Hmmm .... it's a bit different up north

paul alan

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Re: £60-£80 an hour target for cream jobs
« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2017, 08:38:40 am »
I dunno, l think micks on cue.

paul alan

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Re: £60-£80 an hour target for cream jobs
« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2017, 08:45:44 am »
Roughly whats your modus operandis mick?

With regards cleaning technique?

Dry Clean

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Re: £60-£80 an hour target for cream jobs
« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2017, 09:09:03 am »
Surely £60-80ph is the norm glass time anyway with wfp, cream work is £150/200ph
Thats how i find it anyway, if you cant clean 6 small terrace houses at £10 or 4 medium semis at £15 or even 3 large semis at £20 an hour then your doing something wrong?

Off course you find that way (roll eyes) lack of available property in your area means you have very wealthy people living in shoe boxes and don't mind giving somebody a tenner for a few small windows in a terrace front.
Terrace properties in other parts of the country tend to be occupied by people who don't have any money, small semis would be
similar, medium and large semis can be hit and miss as they give you both people who have a few quid and new starters who are mortgaged to the hilt.
You then have the fact that its takes your prices to live and work in your area so your not going to get guys coming in and doing
your terrace fronts for £3 or guys doing an excellent job on large detached properties for £20.
Mick if I where you I would spend more time being thankful for what you have and less time trying to second guess
what guys are able to achieve in other parts of the country.





Stoots

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Re: £60-£80 an hour target for cream jobs
« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2017, 09:47:48 am »
Lol Mick  :D

30 quid an hour or so is good going where I am. See lads doing a lot less!

Mick Kent

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Re: £60-£80 an hour target for cream jobs
« Reply #39 on: September 04, 2017, 10:22:12 am »
Surely £60-80ph is the norm glass time anyway with wfp, cream work is £150/200ph
Thats how i find it anyway, if you cant clean 6 small terrace houses at £10 or 4 medium semis at £15 or even 3 large semis at £20 an hour then your doing something wrong?

Off course you find that way (roll eyes) lack of available property in your area means you have very wealthy people living in shoe boxes and don't mind giving somebody a tenner for a few small windows in a terrace front.
Terrace properties in other parts of the country tend to be occupied by people who don't have any money, small semis would be
similar, medium and large semis can be hit and miss as they give you both people who have a few quid and new starters who are mortgaged to the hilt.
You then have the fact that its takes your prices to live and work in your area so your not going to get guys coming in and doing
your terrace fronts for £3 or guys doing an excellent job on large detached properties for £20.
Mick if I where you I would spend more time being thankful for what you have and less time trying to second guess
what guys are able to achieve in other parts of the country.

Sorry but you view things the wrong way! are you not worth £10 to clean that front and back of a terrace house? For you to turn up on time every month keeping that customers windows clean and maintained being reliable and trustworthy throughout the year for them? Id say its more than worth a tenna
yes admittedly i do terrace fronts and purposely targeted those with no rear access to up my takings but i have been doing this for nearly 10 years and even so i think its still good value for my customers as they always have clean windows from a regular reliable service that i provide, even before doing mainly fronts i was charging £10 for a good 5/10 years doing front and backs on terrace houses.
I have also canvassed over the country for various guys too and can say that its how you sell yourself to get what you believe your worth, a positive person will get the prices he wants as wont take on any old work, can get good prices all over the country.
Yes there are house price differences north and south but we all pay the same for our food, fuel, cars, vans, holidays, clothes, etc etc so why should there be such a difference with window cleaning bills?