[Blackadder]

On bad first cleans, do you sometimes plug yourself into garden hose first to get the worst cleaned off before going over with pure or do you find this wasted energy?

[nathankaye]

On bad first cleans, do you sometimes plug yourself into garden hose first to get the worst cleaned off before going over with pure or do you find this wasted energy?

Ive not had a bad first clean experience where ive considered that.....not even when trad working.
But then, this is where for me 6 jets and hot water come into play.

[Bungle]

On bad first cleans, do you sometimes plug yourself into garden hose first to get the worst cleaned off before going over with pure or do you find this wasted energy?

Ive not had a bad first clean experience where ive considered that.....not even when trad working.
But then, this is where for me 6 jets and hot water come into play.

Apart from the odd streak 

[paul alan]

Never bothered doing that, pure has much better cleaning properties than tap water so it wil be quicker and easier with all pure.

I usualy squirt a bit of virosol on my brush head out of my 100ml bottle in my pouch and soak everything up with the jets, then scrub all over with brush creating a nice virosol foam and agitate it in. If a house l do all the ups then go back to the first window where l started and scrub realy realy well with lots of rinsing and then go round all the rest of the ups that l previously "virofoamed" in the same way.

Then to the downs while the ups are drying, same thing again.

After that back to the ups on a low flow and clean just the glass, picking off all the opener windows first then the ones underneath them last. If the top frames are close to something that looks dirty and wet l will tie a cloth round the brush and go up and dry above before l do my last rinse just to make sure.

Then the same on the downs, before l do my final rinse downstairs l check for any cream cleanering that needs doing on the frames or doors and do that first. Then depending on the top frames l may just cloth them dry if needed.

Then l go fetch the customer and point out how good the windows look now weve done them properly, then they say "oh my" the last window cleaner never put that much effort in! I go on to tell how we clean this way as standard, they then say"can l take some cards, l know of some people who just may want a window cleaner"

I now find this the best time to tell them that you sometimes may clean in the rain etc....whilst they still actualy like you...haha!

Been doing so many of these this year that when lm on my "regular" work its like a walk in the park. I also love the second clean, in contrast to the first its so easy.

[paul alan]

On bad first cleans, do you sometimes plug yourself into garden hose first to get the worst cleaned off before going over with pure or do you find this wasted energy?

Ive not had a bad first clean experience where ive considered that.....not even when trad working.
But then, this is where for me 6 jets and hot water come into play.

Hey nathan...can you still do a first clean with less than 25ltrs with 6 jets?

Mate if you can l would love to see a video of that as it would cut my first cleans down by 75%.

Liking your vids by the way, most only talk the talk.

[RPCCS]

Go over the frames only with pure, then start from the first window again and do the glass and sill.

[paul alan]

Go over the frames only with pure, then start from the first window again and do the glass and sill.

Some of them first cleans are filthy, you could end up doing a lot of scrubbing with just pure.

I find virosol can do some of the hard work for you.

[richard groves]

Never bothered doing that, pure has much better cleaning properties than tap water so it wil be quicker and easier with all pure.

I think that's absolute ballcocks ................. Its a tall story we all bought into about 10  + years ago. Sold on the theory that pure water absorbs dirt and strives to return to its impure state or some crap like that. We clean with pure water so that when it dries it does not leave hard water stains and that's all ! 

[richard groves]

On bad first cleans, do you sometimes plug yourself into garden hose first to get the worst cleaned off before going over with pure or do you find this wasted energy?

No. I usually have a shower when I get up in the morning.

[paul alan]

Never bothered doing that, pure has much better cleaning properties than tap water so it wil be quicker and easier with all pure.

I think that's absolute ballcocks ................. Its a tall story we all bought into about 10  + years ago. Sold on the theory that pure water absorbs dirt and strives to return to its impure state or some crap like that. We clean with pure water so that when it dries it does not leave hard water stains and that's all ! 

Your entitled to your opinion mr scott, can you disprove the theory?

[paul alan]

On bad first cleans, do you sometimes plug yourself into garden hose first to get the worst cleaned off before going over with pure or do you find this wasted energy?

No. I usually have a shower when I get up in the morning.

Glad to hear it, hope you brush your teeth too! As your breath may stink form all th sxxt you talk!

[nathankaye]

On bad first cleans, do you sometimes plug yourself into garden hose first to get the worst cleaned off before going over with pure or do you find this wasted energy?

Ive not had a bad first clean experience where ive considered that.....not even when trad working.
But then, this is where for me 6 jets and hot water come into play.

Hey nathan...can you still do a first clean with less than 25ltrs with 6 jets?

Mate if you can l would love to see a video of that as it would cut my first cleans down by 75%.

Liking your vids by the way, most only talk the talk.

The pump in the backpack is too weak for any type of good flow to come thru a 6 jetted brush. Tho i also mentioned i dont do first cleans with back pack, why would i when i have a van system and better pump. This was mentioned i think in how far you can clean with a trolley system and i made mention how some feel that unless they drown each window, they feel they cant do a good quality clean.

In response to another post, yes i mentioned that sometimes after a first clean dirty water can leak out the seals and if there is a problem just let me know. Ive never had a call back and the only one to mention anything was the messers who used it as a lame excuse. I dont do one off cleans, they all become regular customers which i belief speaks volumes for my quality. Nor do i belief it puts doubt into their minds as some suggest, but then i dont have many OCD customers who purposely go checking every window cleaned. People just dont care, they have a glance in general and if it looks obviously clean they are happy. They dont wait for low sun to check nor look at it from every angle as we do to try and find fault. The only window they may take notice from is the kitchen and thats when they are stood at the sink washing the pots!! When im back home, im very rarely stood at a window looking out from it

In relation to this actual thread, i find that with pure hot water ive not come across a need to use chemicals. Like most of what you guys have already said. I go round all upstairs windows cleaning just the frames, then when back to the begining i just clean it like any other job and repeat the same procedure downstairs.  But yes, a bigger brush ie a 14inch dual trim short bristles and 6 jets really does help!!
I find you waste more time rinsing chemicals//soapy residue off than if you didnt use any chemicals in the first place.  Thats been my experience anyway.

Any outside window vent does get a flooding through, until its just pure coming through.
If its a skeptical new customer i show them a window which is virtually dry and get their approval before I leave, but i dont waste my time doing so on every first clean.

[paul alan]

On bad first cleans, do you sometimes plug yourself into garden hose first to get the worst cleaned off before going over with pure or do you find this wasted energy?

Ive not had a bad first clean experience where ive considered that.....not even when trad working.
But then, this is where for me 6 jets and hot water come into play.

Hey nathan...can you still do a first clean with less than 25ltrs with 6 jets?

Mate if you can l would love to see a video of that as it would cut my first cleans down by 75%.

Liking your vids by the way, most only talk the talk.

The pump in the backpack is too weak for any type of good flow to come thru a 6 jetted brush. Tho i also mentioned i dont do first cleans with back pack, why would i when i have a van system and better pump. This was mentioned i think in how far you can clean with a trolley system and i made mention how some feel that unless they drown each window, they feel they cant do a good quality clean.

In response to another post, yes i mentioned that sometimes after a first clean dirty water can leak out the seals and if there is a problem just let me know. Ive never had a call back and the only one to mention anything was the messers who used it as a lame excuse. I dont do one off cleans, they all become regular customers which i belief speaks volumes for my quality. Nor do i belief it puts doubt into their minds as some suggest, but then i dont have many OCD customers who purposely go checking every window cleaned. People just dont care, they have a glance in general and if it looks obviously clean they are happy. They dont wait for low sun to check nor look at it from every angle as we do to try and find fault. The only window they may take notice from is the kitchen and thats when they are stood at the sink washing the pots!! When im back home, im very rarely stood at a window looking out from it

In relation to this actual thread, i find that with pure hot water ive not come across a need to use chemicals. Like most of what you guys have already said. I go round all upstairs windows cleaning just the frames, then when back to the begining i just clean it like any other job and repeat the same procedure downstairs.  But yes, a bigger brush ie a 14inch dual trim short bristles and 6 jets really does help!!
I find you waste more time rinsing chemicals//soapy residue off than if you didnt use any chemicals in the first place.  Thats been my experience anyway.

Any outside window vent does get a flooding through, until its just pure coming through.
If its a skeptical new customer i show them a window which is virtually dry and get their approval before I leave, but i dont waste my time doing so on every first clean.

Hahaha......Was that a yes or a no nathan?

[richard groves]

On bad first cleans, do you sometimes plug yourself into garden hose first to get the worst cleaned off before going over with pure or do you find this wasted energy?

No. I usually have a shower when I get up in the morning.

Glad to hear it, hope you brush your teeth too! As your breath may stink form all th sxxt you talk!

Chill out Paul..... I can neither prove or disprove  the theory for sure any more than you can. However ....... If it were the case that pure has stronger cleaning power than tap water, why do some use cleaning additives / chemicals etc., hot water or happy to use a tds as high as 030 - 050 ppm in some cases ? It wasn't a personal dig at you more an observation of how a supposed market leader has taken us for mugs.

[Dry Clean]

On bad first cleans, do you sometimes plug yourself into garden hose first to get the worst cleaned off before going over with pure or do you find this wasted energy?

No. I usually have a shower when I get up in the morning.

Glad to hear it, hope you brush your teeth too! As your breath may stink form all th sxxt you talk!

Chill out Paul..... I can neither prove or disprove  the theory for sure any more than you can. However ....... If it were the case that pure has stronger cleaning power than tap water, why do some use cleaning additives / chemicals etc., hot water or happy to use a tds as high as 030 - 050 ppm in some cases ? It wasn't a personal dig at you more an observation of how a supposed market leader has taken us for mugs.

Barry some people just don't have any common sense, we remove dissolved solids from the water and dirt from the glass
the majority of which doesn't dissolve therefore purified or not it wont make a difference to the actual cleaning power.

[Dry Clean]

Never bothered doing that, pure has much better cleaning properties than tap water so it wil be quicker and easier with all pure.

I think that's absolute ballcocks ................. Its a tall story we all bought into about 10  + years ago. Sold on the theory that pure water absorbs dirt and strives to return to its impure state or some crap like that. We clean with pure water so that when it dries it does not leave hard water stains and that's all ! 

Your entitled to your opinion mr scott, can you disprove the theory?

Its not a theory its nonsense that was made up by dealers looking to sell equipment back in the day when most shiners
where traditional, we don't clean by dissolving the dirt on the glass we loosen/agitate the dirt and rinse it off.

[paul alan]

On bad first cleans, do you sometimes plug yourself into garden hose first to get the worst cleaned off before going over with pure or do you find this wasted energy?

No. I usually have a shower when I get up in the morning.

Glad to hear it, hope you brush your teeth too! As your breath may stink form all th sxxt you talk!

Chill out Paul..... I can neither prove or disprove  the theory for sure any more than you can. However ....... If it were the case that pure has stronger cleaning power than tap water, why do some use cleaning additives / chemicals etc., hot water or happy to use a tds as high as 030 - 050 ppm in some cases ? It wasn't a personal dig at you more an observation of how a supposed market leader has taken us for mugs.

Im super chilled bazzer, just bantering mate! No offence intended.

[paul alan]

Never bothered doing that, pure has much better cleaning properties than tap water so it wil be quicker and easier with all pure.

I think that's absolute ballcocks ................. Its a tall story we all bought into about 10  + years ago. Sold on the theory that pure water absorbs dirt and strives to return to its impure state or some crap like that. We clean with pure water so that when it dries it does not leave hard water stains and that's all ! 

Your entitled to your opinion mr scott, can you disprove the theory?

Its not a theory its nonsense that was made up by dealers looking to sell equipment back in the day when most shiners
where traditional, we don't clean by dissolving the dirt on the glass we loosen/agitate the dirt and rinse it off.

So its all a bit of bully then?

Never mind, dont tell my customers that though as lve been feeding them that line for ages now.

[dazmond]

On bad first cleans, do you sometimes plug yourself into garden hose first to get the worst cleaned off before going over with pure or do you find this wasted energy?

no need.i squirt the windows and frames with virosol in a 5L pressure sprayer if their particularly bad and scrub and rinse a bit more.job done.

[robbo333]

If it's a big house and they haven't been cleaned in years, yes I do.