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john martin

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Testing the 8.4
« on: June 04, 2017, 07:31:23 pm »
I got a shipment of spare 6.6 and 8.4  , might have over did it   :)



So ...  on my test bench today was  ,  the 8.4 vs the 6.6 vs a HD electro


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Results later  ...

john martin

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2017, 09:19:25 pm »

 Each test was repeated at least three times to confirm result .

CFM is for comparison from motor to motor  ...  i dont have a lab   :) i would say my CFM is about 10 less than the manufacturers stated   ...  but it tells you how each motor performs compared to the next .

john martin

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2017, 09:20:51 pm »

john martin

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2017, 09:22:04 pm »

john martin

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2017, 09:23:25 pm »

john martin

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2017, 09:30:11 pm »

 Conclusion -

 The 5.7 got past the 10hg mark further that the others  ...  but CFM was quite a bit less

 The 8.4 was major a disappointment as they cost me twice the price of the 6.6 but showed no gain in performance

The 6.6 is the best value motor ( if you get it at about £100 from woodbridge ) 
I will continue using the 6.6  because of its low cost and similar performance to the 8.4

 

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2017, 10:41:40 pm »
Great tests I suppose you're confirming why many manufacturers of machines haven't gone down the 8.4 route.

Carpet Dawg

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2017, 10:51:59 pm »
£99 at woodbridge John?  is that all in? Cant seem to add it to cart

john martin

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2017, 11:12:08 pm »
Great tests I suppose you're confirming why many manufacturers of machines haven't gone down the 8.4 route.
True , it seems to be a bit like the 5.7 and 7.2 vacs . there isn't much performance difference .

john martin

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2017, 11:14:53 pm »
£99 at woodbridge John?  is that all in? Cant seem to add it to cart
+vat I'd say .
Message me for more info
    j-martin@live.com
(I'm not selling them BTW )  :)

Robin Ray

Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2017, 06:08:36 pm »
Hi John, An interesting test would be the CFM and lift readings when the wand is on the carpet. This would give definitive answers about what is best in use.

The CFM meter could be mounted in a piece of hose to give a reading and the Lift reading could be taken off  of a hose connector with a hole in it.

Let us know if you fancy having a go.

john martin

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2017, 07:37:26 pm »
Hi John, An interesting test would be the CFM and lift readings when the wand is on the carpet. This would give definitive answers about what is best in use.

The CFM meter could be mounted in a piece of hose to give a reading and the Lift reading could be taken off  of a hose connector with a hole in it.

Let us know if you fancy having a go.
Hey Robin  , testing at the wand would be best alright .   Measuring the lift like that is easy enough , putting a digital cfm meter in the system is a bit trickier .   
The cfm guage would need to be inline , within the vacuum system ,  easy to do with the omega style inline gauge but with the digital meter like mine its barely possible , I could try and put a connector each side of the meters vane and seal it with duct tape , it would be crude but might work .
Ashbys had some great inline cfm wand on carpet measuring videos on youtube a couple of years back , only problem was the omega guage they used proved inaccurate under vacuum .
Heres an alternative , i took the below pic from tmf ,  this guy has measured the operating lift with the wand on the carpet and then made a round hole in the plastic cap at the size that matched the result he got for operating lift , so he is simulating the wand on the carpet but he can now place his digital cfm meter over the hole .

Robin Ray

Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2017, 07:01:02 pm »
Good stuff John.

It will be interesting to see the results if you get the time to try it out.

Richard @ Wcs

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2017, 08:58:39 am »
£99 at woodbridge John?  is that all in? Cant seem to add it to cart
+vat I'd say .
Message me for more info
    j-martin@live.com
(I'm not selling them BTW )  :)

Hi John, Sorry for the late message. The prices are excluding VAT and delivery. We are currently out of stock (this is why you can't add to cart) but we are expecting fresh stock within the next 3 weeks.  I hope this helps :)
​Richard
Worldwide Cleaning Support Ltd.
P: 01279 422 220
E: Richard@Wcsuk.com
A: Dorrington Farm, Rye Hill Road, Harlow, Essex, CM18 7JF
W: www.worldwidecleaningsupport.com


SimonW

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2017, 04:43:45 pm »
£99 at woodbridge John?  is that all in? Cant seem to add it to cart
+vat I'd say .
Message me for more info
    j-martin@live.com
(I'm not selling them BTW )  :)

Hi John, Sorry for the late message. The prices are excluding VAT and delivery. We are currently out of stock (this is why you can't add to cart) but we are expecting fresh stock within the next 3 weeks.  I hope this helps :)

Hi @Richard @ Wcs,

Please keep us updated when you will be receiving new stock. I need x2 6.6 motors along with the gaskets to fit my airflex storm.

Regards,
Si.

Robin Ray

Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2017, 09:45:40 pm »
£99 at woodbridge John?  is that all in? Cant seem to add it to cart
+vat I'd say .
Message me for more info
    j-martin@live.com
(I'm not selling them BTW )  :)

Hi John, Sorry for the late message. The prices are excluding VAT and delivery. We are currently out of stock (this is why you can't add to cart) but we are expecting fresh stock within the next 3 weeks.  I hope this helps :)

Hi @Richard @ Wcs,

Please keep us updated when you will be receiving new stock. I need x2 6.6 motors along with the gaskets to fit my airflex storm.

Regards,
Si.

Ha...

They are in stock on eBay and they are cheaper.  ie: no vat and including delivery

I find it amazing how forums and adverting work. ;D

Richard @ Wcs

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2017, 09:01:53 am »
£99 at woodbridge John?  is that all in? Cant seem to add it to cart
+vat I'd say .
Message me for more info
    j-martin@live.com
(I'm not selling them BTW )  :)

Hi John, Sorry for the late message. The prices are excluding VAT and delivery. We are currently out of stock (this is why you can't add to cart) but we are expecting fresh stock within the next 3 weeks.  I hope this helps :)

Hi @Richard @ Wcs,

Please keep us updated when you will be receiving new stock. I need x2 6.6 motors along with the gaskets to fit my airflex storm.

Regards,
Si.

I will be sure to keep you updated as and when the stock arrives.  :)
​Richard
Worldwide Cleaning Support Ltd.
P: 01279 422 220
E: Richard@Wcsuk.com
A: Dorrington Farm, Rye Hill Road, Harlow, Essex, CM18 7JF
W: www.worldwidecleaningsupport.com

SimonW

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2017, 09:23:26 am »
Hi Robin,

Yeah, I've seen your link to eBay and it looks like a bargain, however, I would be extra vigilant on the quality of the product. I have also concerns if this is certainly genuine part but it might be just me :) if anyone has bought from this eBay seller then let me know if it's all fine? :)

from edge2edge

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2017, 10:07:24 am »
I bought 2 from them and one burnt out after less than 50 hours use......................Alan

SimonW

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2017, 10:29:35 am »
that's my point with eBay shopping....

Robin Ray

Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2017, 12:32:28 pm »
You pay your money and take your chances....

I bought £8000 worth of kit from WWCS they sent me out a machine which runs on 20 Amps with a 13 Amp plug on it!!!  :o. They took 3 months to refund me and wanted me to pay to send it back initially. They have not apologized!

I personally have found there is more protection buying from ebay

SimonW

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2017, 12:50:25 pm »
You pay your money and take your chances....

I bought £8000 worth of kit from WWCS they sent me out a machine which runs on 20 Amps with a 13 Amp socket on it!!!  :o. They took 3 months to refund me and wanted me to pay to send it back initially. They have not apologized!

I personally have found there is more protection buying from ebay

you just want me to buy these off eBay, don't you!

Robin Ray

Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2017, 12:56:46 pm »
No.

I have no idea who the people on eBay are,
I have never bought from them before,
I don't even own a 6,6 motor.

I have dealt with WWCS though, and would definitely trust a complete stranger selling the same product  rather than them.

Yes I do have an axe to grind.....      (figure of speech not real axe)

john martin

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2017, 08:04:48 pm »
I bought 2 from them and one burnt out after less than 50 hours use......................Alan
what happened there ?  are you sure it was a 6.6 u got off ebay ?    its not like there are fake copys of that unique to ametek size out there ... and the discription in the link that robin gave  clearly states Lamb Ametek Part No. 122 236-18   

so ... whatever happened to yours at 50 hrs was probably some random warrenty issue that would have happened no matter what supplier you used  ...  or were you sucking up the vanish   :D

Carpet Dawg

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #25 on: July 09, 2017, 12:14:57 pm »
Richard @ Wcs

I see that you sell pumptec pumps along with the motor. I need the 205v pump only in the link below.

https://www.worldwidecleaningsupport.com/spare-parts/water-pumps/pumptec-500psi-water-pump-complete

Do you sell them on their own? and if so, how much?

cheers

Richard @ Wcs

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2017, 10:02:35 am »
Richard @ Wcs

I see that you sell pumptec pumps along with the motor. I need the 205v pump only in the link below.

https://www.worldwidecleaningsupport.com/spare-parts/water-pumps/pumptec-500psi-water-pump-complete

Do you sell them on their own? and if so, how much?

cheers

Hi Carpet Dawg

Thank you for your enquiry. Yes we do stock the motors seperately.

https://www.worldwidecleaningsupport.com/pumptec-205v-series-drive-motor-230v

This is currently in stock and on offer. Please see the link above.

Richard
​Richard
Worldwide Cleaning Support Ltd.
P: 01279 422 220
E: Richard@Wcsuk.com
A: Dorrington Farm, Rye Hill Road, Harlow, Essex, CM18 7JF
W: www.worldwidecleaningsupport.com

Carpet Dawg

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2017, 11:36:07 am »
Sorry I meant the pump head! i.e. the big blue bit lol

Do you sell those separately?

Thanks

Richard @ Wcs

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2017, 01:08:36 pm »
Sorry I meant the pump head! i.e. the big blue bit lol

Do you sell those separately?

Thanks

Hi Carpet Dawg

I'm very sorry i popped the wrong link on there. They are now gold and 8 port. I'm not sure why they changed the colour but the are exactly the same.

https://www.worldwidecleaningsupport.com/500-psi-pump-head-8-port

If you need the blanking plugs they are located here

https://www.worldwidecleaningsupport.com/b246-brass-3-8-plug

Both items are currently in stock. I hope this is more helpful.
​Richard
Worldwide Cleaning Support Ltd.
P: 01279 422 220
E: Richard@Wcsuk.com
A: Dorrington Farm, Rye Hill Road, Harlow, Essex, CM18 7JF
W: www.worldwidecleaningsupport.com

Richard @ Wcs

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2017, 01:06:29 pm »
£99 at woodbridge John?  is that all in? Cant seem to add it to cart
+vat I'd say .
Message me for more info
    j-martin@live.com
(I'm not selling them BTW )  :)

Hi John, Sorry for the late message. The prices are excluding VAT and delivery. We are currently out of stock (this is why you can't add to cart) but we are expecting fresh stock within the next 3 weeks.  I hope this helps :)

Hi @Richard @ Wcs,

Please keep us updated when you will be receiving new stock. I need x2 6.6 motors along with the gaskets to fit my airflex storm.

Regards,
Si.

Hi Simon

I wanted to inform you that our 6.6" Lamb Ametek motors are now back in stock.
​Richard
Worldwide Cleaning Support Ltd.
P: 01279 422 220
E: Richard@Wcsuk.com
A: Dorrington Farm, Rye Hill Road, Harlow, Essex, CM18 7JF
W: www.worldwidecleaningsupport.com

SimonW

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2017, 08:09:33 pm »
I bought 2 from them and one burnt out after less than 50 hours use......................Alan

Hi Mate,

I just odered x2 from them on Ebay and I am not sure whether these will come with gasket or not? If not then I need to find spares somewhere to buy quickly!! need machine back on the van ASAP. Please advise ;)


Richard @ Wcs

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #32 on: September 07, 2017, 10:31:03 am »
I bought 2 from them and one burnt out after less than 50 hours use......................Alan

Hi Mate,

I just odered x2 from them on Ebay and I am not sure whether these will come with gasket or not? If not then I need to find
spares somewhere to buy quickly!! need machine back on the van ASAP. Please advise ;)

Hi Simon. Sorry for the late reply. I have seen several listings in the past and  everyone sells them differently. We do stock the gaskets if you still need them https://www.worldwidecleaningsupport.com/foam-motor-gasket-seal
​Richard
Worldwide Cleaning Support Ltd.
P: 01279 422 220
E: Richard@Wcsuk.com
A: Dorrington Farm, Rye Hill Road, Harlow, Essex, CM18 7JF
W: www.worldwidecleaningsupport.com

SimonW

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2017, 02:04:47 pm »
Thank you, both for your replies.

I have eventually managed to sort out gaskets, spacers, bolts etc from Airflex Storm manufacturer. What a great service.

Again, thanks for your input.


Ta,
Si

Craig Daly

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2017, 09:52:43 pm »
Same had one lasted three weeks so about 75 hours and dead

john martin

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Re: Testing the 8.4
« Reply #35 on: October 09, 2017, 10:38:57 pm »
Same had one lasted three weeks so about 75 hours and dead

what exact motor and when was that ?