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benny donnelly

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Looking about for new van
« on: April 21, 2017, 07:22:20 pm »
I'm on the look out for a new or nearly new van so be taking a finance deal either way ,never done the whole finance route before so was just looking to know have many of you went this route,  is there better companies than others , anyone know of any good deals about at the minute ?

I'm looking for a small van an haven't a clue which to go for either , I'm open to any suggestions an experiences of fellow cleaners  :)


Marc Stock

Re: Looking about for new van
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2017, 07:43:48 pm »
I have always found Motonovo finance to be very good.

Also close brothers do special finance for complex applications

I would rate the transit connects as good vans. Mine has 140k miles on it now and hasn't skipped a beat

benny donnelly

  • Posts: 204
Re: Looking about for new van
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2017, 08:15:19 pm »
I have always found Motonovo finance to be very good.

Also close brothers do special finance for complex applications

I would rate the transit connects as good vans. Mine has 140k miles on it now and hasn't skipped a beat

Cheers I'll check them out

What spec is your connect ? What kind of system have you in it?

Frankybadboy

  • Posts: 9024
Re: Looking about for new van
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2017, 08:29:57 pm »
dont be afraid to try the main dealers you could be surprised with what they offer on a new or part new vans

chris turner

  • Posts: 1500
Re: Looking about for new van
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2017, 09:17:08 pm »
Don't bother with finance. There's some super low interest rate loans from banks and other lenders, as little as 3%.
That way you have the cash in your pocket before you buy, so have more buying options, more negotiating power as well as the van will be yours from day 1.

the king

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Re: Looking about for new van
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2017, 09:27:28 pm »
i got my vivaro on finance 8.7%apr but next time ill probly get a low intrest lone i think 3% sounds very good

Marc Stock

Re: Looking about for new van
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2017, 09:37:07 pm »
Remember with a personal loan the vehicle is not connected to the funds and you are personally responsible for the money.

Less risky to finance the vehicle directly. Remember you don't have to fully finance the vehicle to get a good deal. Often 30% cash upfront and finance the rest will give you good buying power to negotiate on.

Marc Stock

Re: Looking about for new van
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2017, 09:39:57 pm »
I have always found Motonovo finance to be very good.

Also close brothers do special finance for complex applications

I would rate the transit connects as good vans. Mine has 140k miles on it now and hasn't skipped a beat

Cheers I'll check them out

What spec is your connect ? What kind of system have you in it?
Mines a home made system. Dont waste your money on flashy systems. It's not worth it at all.

Spend the money on decent hose reels and hoses and poles.

Basic spec. Van does the job no air con no no nothing. The basic models hold their value the longest. Especially if your keeping it for several years.

KS Cleaning

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Re: Looking about for new van
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2017, 11:22:14 pm »
Cheapest way is a personal loan and pay it off in as short a term possible, you will be pleasantly surprised how little interest you pay doing it this way.
 Don't get caught out with the ' cheap monthly repayments ' rubbish.

dazmond

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Re: Looking about for new van
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2017, 12:18:36 am »
lease one if you want to keep hold of your cash you have saved up.cost you around £200 a month,3 months rental upfront and a brand new van within 2-3 weeks!

i went for a connect  L2 limited 1.5 TDCI(120ps).936kg payload.

its got everything!air con,heated drivers seat,bluetooth,heated windscreen/wing mirrors,parking sensors and loads more.

i got mine with vanarama.great people to deal with.it was all done and dusted within 3 weeks and a brand new van delivered to my door!love it.

i want a bit of luxury while im at work these days.its also  my mobile office,advertising board,snack wagon as well as a window cleaning vehicle! :)

ive not turned the heated seat off yet! ;) ;D
price higher/work harder!

dazmond

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Re: Looking about for new van
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2017, 12:20:46 am »
you ll need a good credit history though to lease a van.thankfully mines really good these days! :)
price higher/work harder!

dd

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Re: Looking about for new van
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2017, 04:41:42 pm »
Remember with a personal loan the vehicle is not connected to the funds and you are personally responsible for the money.

Less risky to finance the vehicle directly. Remember you don't have to fully finance the vehicle to get a good deal. Often 30% cash upfront and finance the rest will give you good buying power to negotiate on.
Don't get that. Surely if you finance the van directly and fail to keep up the payments they send someone round to take the van away. If you are not personally responsible, who is?

The Jester of Wibbly

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Re: Looking about for new van
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2017, 04:48:16 pm »
Remember with a personal loan the vehicle is not connected to the funds and you are personally responsible for the money.

Less risky to finance the vehicle directly. Remember you don't have to fully finance the vehicle to get a good deal. Often 30% cash upfront and finance the rest will give you good buying power to negotiate on.
Don't get that. Surely if you finance the van directly and fail to keep up the payments they send someone round to take the van away. If you are not personally responsible, who is?

HP  and PL are different. HP  is connected to the van.  The loan company owns the van as security and is recorded on the HPI register.  The PL is a personal loan and not vehicle related. 
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Marc Stock

Re: Looking about for new van
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2017, 10:34:53 am »
Remember with a personal loan the vehicle is not connected to the funds and you are personally responsible for the money.

Less risky to finance the vehicle directly. Remember you don't have to fully finance the vehicle to get a good deal. Often 30% cash upfront and finance the rest will give you good buying power to negotiate on.
Don't get that. Surely if you finance the van directly and fail to keep up the payments they send someone round to take the van away. If you are not personally responsible, who is?

If you default on the Van and it's on HP it's less risky for you and the lender because they can simply take the van back and you won't incur any personal debt.  And it won't go any further, especially if more than half the term has elapsed, as you can hand it back if you can't afford it anymore.

If you take out a loan not connected to the van and defualt on the payments you might have the van for a while but it's more risky for you. Since the debt isn't secured on anything they will simply apply for high court enforcement and eventually collect the payment from you by either personal seizure of goods and vehicle or both plus collection fees and statutory interest.

The really interesting thing is on this basis your van is protected on HP therefore less risky.  If you for whatever reason get into other debts whilst your van is on HP as long as you prioritize the HP payments over your unsecured debts even if you have collection from the high court they cant seize your vehicle as it's the property of the HP company enabling you to keep working.

I know this because I took legal advice when I was faced with my tax bill making me bankrupt. And they advised me to get a van on HP before going bankrupt as they would not be able to seize it. So I did over 4 years and shortly after buying the van made myself bankrupt and they couldn't take the van which meant my business was still able to trade.



KS Cleaning

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Re: Looking about for new van
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2017, 03:00:10 pm »
Remember with a personal loan the vehicle is not connected to the funds and you are personally responsible for the money.

Less risky to finance the vehicle directly. Remember you don't have to fully finance the vehicle to get a good deal. Often 30% cash upfront and finance the rest will give you good buying power to negotiate on.
Don't get that. Surely if you finance the van directly and fail to keep up the payments they send someone round to take the van away. If you are not personally responsible, who is?

If you default on the Van and it's on HP it's less risky for you and the lender because they can simply take the van back and you won't incur any personal debt.  And it won't go any further, especially if more than half the term has elapsed, as you can hand it back if you can't afford it anymore.

If you take out a loan not connected to the van and defualt on the payments you might have the van for a while but it's more risky for you. Since the debt isn't secured on anything they will simply apply for high court enforcement and eventually collect the payment from you by either personal seizure of goods and vehicle or both plus collection fees and statutory interest.

The really interesting thing is on this basis your van is protected on HP therefore less risky.  If you for whatever reason get into other debts whilst your van is on HP as long as you prioritize the HP payments over your unsecured debts even if you have collection from the high court they cant seize your vehicle as it's the property of the HP company enabling you to keep working.

I know this because I took legal advice when I was faced with my tax bill making me bankrupt. And they advised me to get a van on HP before going bankrupt as they would not be able to seize it. So I did over 4 years and shortly after buying the van made myself bankrupt and they couldn't take the van which meant my business was still able to trade.
So you think it is better to just hand a van back that you have paid over half the payments for ???  If you take a personal loan and pay over half of the payments you will have an asset.

The Jester of Wibbly

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Re: Looking about for new van
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2017, 03:46:46 pm »
Also PL needs a better credit score than an HP agreement. Also HP loans tend to have higher interest rates.
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Marc Stock

Re: Looking about for new van
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2017, 03:56:41 pm »
Remember with a personal loan the vehicle is not connected to the funds and you are personally responsible for the money.

Less risky to finance the vehicle directly. Remember you don't have to fully finance the vehicle to get a good deal. Often 30% cash upfront and finance the rest will give you good buying power to negotiate on.
Don't get that. Surely if you finance the van directly and fail to keep up the payments they send someone round to take the van away. If you are not personally responsible, who is?

If you default on the Van and it's on HP it's less risky for you and the lender because they can simply take the van back and you won't incur any personal debt.  And it won't go any further, especially if more than half the term has elapsed, as you can hand it back if you can't afford it anymore.

If you take out a loan not connected to the van and defualt on the payments you might have the van for a while but it's more risky for you. Since the debt isn't secured on anything they will simply apply for high court enforcement and eventually collect the payment from you by either personal seizure of goods and vehicle or both plus collection fees and statutory interest.

The really interesting thing is on this basis your van is protected on HP therefore less risky.  If you for whatever reason get into other debts whilst your van is on HP as long as you prioritize the HP payments over your unsecured debts even if you have collection from the high court they cant seize your vehicle as it's the property of the HP company enabling you to keep working.

I know this because I took legal advice when I was faced with my tax bill making me bankrupt. And they advised me to get a van on HP before going bankrupt as they would not be able to seize it. So I did over 4 years and shortly after buying the van made myself bankrupt and they cou

So you think it is better to just hand a van back that you have paid over half the payments for ???  If you take a personal loan and pay over half of the payments you will have an asset.

Goodness me...It's very simple.
If you take a personal loan out on a van and just pay half of that loan, ALL your assets are at risk. As you are personally​ liable for the remainder of the money and anything you own including your van can be seized by the high court to pay off the balance.

If you take out finance on the vehicle just the vehicle is at risk if you default and nothing else is at risk.

It's not difficult to understand.

Plus many don't really understand what an asset it. A van is not an asset, it's a Liability as it costs money to run, depreciates, and can break down. Your van only becomes an asset when it's time to liquidate it for sale or if you hire it out.



KS Cleaning

  • Posts: 4111
Re: Looking about for new van
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2017, 06:28:03 pm »
Remember with a personal loan the vehicle is not connected to the funds and you are personally responsible for the money.

Less risky to finance the vehicle directly. Remember you don't have to fully finance the vehicle to get a good deal. Often 30% cash upfront and finance the rest will give you good buying power to negotiate on.
Don't get that. Surely if you finance the van directly and fail to keep up the payments they send someone round to take the van away. If you are not personally responsible, who is?

If you default on the Van and it's on HP it's less risky for you and the lender because they can simply take the van back and you won't incur any personal debt.  And it won't go any further, especially if more than half the term has elapsed, as you can hand it back if you can't afford it anymore.

If you take out a loan not connected to the van and defualt on the payments you might have the van for a while but it's more risky for you. Since the debt isn't secured on anything they will simply apply for high court enforcement and eventually collect the payment from you by either personal seizure of goods and vehicle or both plus collection fees and statutory interest.

The really interesting thing is on this basis your van is protected on HP therefore less risky.  If you for whatever reason get into other debts whilst your van is on HP as long as you prioritize the HP payments over your unsecured debts even if you have collection from the high court they cant seize your vehicle as it's the property of the HP company enabling you to keep working.

I know this because I took legal advice when I was faced with my tax bill making me bankrupt. And they advised me to get a van on HP before going bankrupt as they would not be able to seize it. So I did over 4 years and shortly after buying the van made myself bankrupt and they cou

So you think it is better to just hand a van back that you have paid over half the payments for ???  If you take a personal loan and pay over half of the payments you will have an asset.

Goodness me...It's very simple.
If you take a personal loan out on a van and just pay half of that loan, ALL your assets are at risk. As you are personally​ liable for the remainder of the money and anything you own including your van can be seized by the high court to pay off the balance.

If you take out finance on the vehicle just the vehicle is at risk if you default and nothing else is at risk.

It's not difficult to understand.

Plus many don't really understand what an asset it. A van is not an asset, it's a Liability as it costs money to run, depreciates, and can break down. Your van only becomes an asset when it's time to liquidate it for sale or if you hire it out.
A van is an asset not a liability,  the depreciation and motoring costs are expenses

Marc Stock

Re: Looking about for new van
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2017, 07:59:38 pm »
Remember with a personal loan the vehicle is not connected to the funds and you are personally responsible for the money.

Less risky to finance the vehicle directly. Remember you don't have to fully finance the vehicle to get a good deal. Often 30% cash upfront and finance the rest will give you good buying power to negotiate on.
Don't get that. Surely if you finance the van directly and fail to keep up the payments they send someone round to take the van away. If you are not personally responsible, who is?

If you default on the Van and it's on HP it's less risky for you and the lender because they can simply take the van back and you won't incur any personal debt.  And it won't go any further, especially if more than half the term has elapsed, as you can hand it back if you can't afford it anymore.

If you take out a loan not connected to the van and defualt on the payments you might have the van for a while but it's more risky for you. Since the debt isn't secured on anything they will simply apply for high court enforcement and eventually collect the payment from you by either personal seizure of goods and vehicle or both plus collection fees and statutory interest.

The really interesting thing is on this basis your van is protected on HP therefore less risky.  If you for whatever reason get into other debts whilst your van is on HP as long as you prioritize the HP payments over your unsecured debts even if you have collection from the high court they cant seize your vehicle as it's the property of the HP company enabling you to keep working.

I know this because I took legal advice when I was faced with my tax bill making me bankrupt. And they advised me to get a van on HP before going bankrupt as they would not be able to seize it. So I did over 4 years and shortly after buying the van made myself bankrupt and they cou

So you think it is better to just hand a van back that you have paid over half the payments for ???  If you take a personal loan and pay over half of the payments you will have an asset.

Goodness me...It's very simple.
If you take a personal loan out on a van and just pay half of that loan, ALL your assets are at risk. As you are personally​ liable for the remainder of the money and anything you own including your van can be seized by the high court to pay off the balance.

If you take out finance on the vehicle just the vehicle is at risk if you default and nothing else is at risk.

It's not difficult to understand.

Plus many don't really understand what an asset it. A van is not an asset, it's a Liability as it costs money to run, depreciates, and can break down. Your van only becomes an asset when it's time to liquidate it for sale or if you hire it out.
A van is an asset not a liability,  the depreciation and motoring costs are expenses

Sorry....with respect....no... your completely wrong. This is why so many people fail to understand what an Asset is.

A van is shown on the balance sheet as an "asset", as that's the value of the item on liquidation.  You can only represent the value of the item on liquidation at any one time which is why you write down the deprecation over the years. That's the point, the fact that the deprecation is written down  is what quantifies its value on liquidation.

The van is a liability because, it causes you to  have costs (fuel, repairs etc) The van only becomes an asset if you sell the vehicle, because it no longer causes expenses and you have converted the tangible value to monetary value. If you have a business that hires out vans, these are assets to you because they make you money, if you have a business that sells vans, they are assets because they make you money.

In the sense business use, your van is a liability and will always remain a liability because it causes you to have expenses.

Asset= An item/business that earns you money.
Liability= An Item/business that costs you money.
Expense= Money paid to a liability/Asset








KS Cleaning

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Re: Looking about for new van
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2017, 08:32:43 pm »
Remember with a personal loan the vehicle is not connected to the funds and you are personally responsible for the money.

Less risky to finance the vehicle directly. Remember you don't have to fully finance the vehicle to get a good deal. Often 30% cash upfront and finance the rest will give you good buying power to negotiate on.
Don't get that. Surely if you finance the van directly and fail to keep up the payments they send someone round to take the van away. If you are not personally responsible, who is?

If you default on the Van and it's on HP it's less risky for you and the lender because they can simply take the van back and you won't incur any personal debt.  And it won't go any further, especially if more than half the term has elapsed, as you can hand it back if you can't afford it anymore.

If you take out a loan not connected to the van and defualt on the payments you might have the van for a while but it's more risky for you. Since the debt isn't secured on anything they will simply apply for high court enforcement and eventually collect the payment from you by either personal seizure of goods and vehicle or both plus collection fees and statutory interest.

The really interesting thing is on this basis your van is protected on HP therefore less risky.  If you for whatever reason get into other debts whilst your van is on HP as long as you prioritize the HP payments over your unsecured debts even if you have collection from the high court they cant seize your vehicle as it's the property of the HP company enabling you to keep working.

I know this because I took legal advice when I was faced with my tax bill making me bankrupt. And they advised me to get a van on HP before going bankrupt as they would not be able to seize it. So I did over 4 years and shortly after buying the van made myself bankrupt and they cou

So you think it is better to just hand a van back that you have paid over half the payments for ???  If you take a personal loan and pay over half of the payments you will have an asset.

Goodness me...It's very simple.
If you take a personal loan out on a van and just pay half of that loan, ALL your assets are at risk. As you are personally​ liable for the remainder of the money and anything you own including your van can be seized by the high court to pay off the balance.

If you take out finance on the vehicle just the vehicle is at risk if you default and nothing else is at risk.

It's not difficult to understand.

Plus many don't really understand what an asset it. A van is not an asset, it's a Liability as it costs money to run, depreciates, and can break down. Your van only becomes an asset when it's time to liquidate it for sale or if you hire it out.
A van is an asset not a liability,  the depreciation and motoring costs are expenses

Sorry....with respect....no... your completely wrong. This is why so many people fail to understand what an Asset is.

A van is shown on the balance sheet as an "asset", as that's the value of the item on liquidation.  You can only represent the value of the item on liquidation at any one time which is why you write down the deprecation over the years. That's the point, the fact that the deprecation is written down  is what quantifies its value on liquidation.

The van is a liability because, it causes you to  have costs (fuel, repairs etc) The van only becomes an asset if you sell the vehicle, because it no longer causes expenses and you have converted the tangible value to monetary value. If you have a business that hires out vans, these are assets to you because they make you money, if you have a business that sells vans, they are assets because they make you money.

In the sense business use, your van is a liability and will always remain a liability because it causes you to have expenses.

Asset= An item/business that earns you money.
Liability= An Item/business that costs you money.
Expense= Money paid to a liability/Asset
We will agree to disagree then