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Iain macdonald

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Anyone heard Monty Solution New
« on: February 12, 2017, 02:06:36 am »
https://youtu.be/eCN4LkUdM6k


they say this stuff is Patented and nothing else on market like it they say its not sodium hypochlorite what your thoughts



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Mike Halliday

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2017, 06:31:06 am »
Watching the video it work exactly the same as hypo, but does hypo stop being hypo once you add another chemical? Which is a what most companies do to justify the quadrupling of the price of hypo........."it's a new amazing  cleaner" eerrrr.... No it's not, it Hypo with a bit of perfume and detergent .
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Kev Martin

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2017, 06:44:31 am »
Get the MSDS it is as Mike says it probably is just Hypo with something in it!  On the other hand perhaps the guy has invented something new.  It took Miracle years to develop their new Heavy Duty Cleaner with an Acid Substitute in it and they have 2 full time chemical scientists working for them
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Iain macdonald

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2017, 01:29:53 pm »
If it was just hypo would they get it patented

chris scott

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2017, 02:15:21 pm »
I have  2 full time chemical scientists working for me.
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Smurf

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2017, 03:34:50 pm »
Wow! just over 13 mins ... Yehaa! ride em cowboy. lol
I'm sure the water utility company and H&S  would  be very interested in seeing this vid.
These types is what will give so say soft washing a bad name in the UK.

Peter J Haigh

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2017, 04:16:16 pm »
  I must say, I am actually quite curious. He states that its environmentally ok and on one of his videos its around a pond, where I would never use Hypo -  so if that`s the case may be worth a look. Will get the MSDS and might give it a try just to satify my curiosity.

Splash & dash

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2017, 04:32:57 pm »
Not overly impressed there are still Staines on the walls of the first vid if I left it like that my customers wouldn't be very happy and not keen to pay either

Smurf

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2017, 04:34:26 pm »
  I must say, I am actually quite curious. He states that its environmentally ok and on one of his videos its around a pond, where I would never use Hypo -  so if that`s the case may be worth a look. Will get the MSDS and might give it a try just to satify my curiosity.

Post it on here if you get one. Also the H&S reg plus patent number as I did a search search and can't find that product registered with either.

Smurf

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2017, 04:36:54 pm »
Not overly impressed there are still Staines on the walls of the first vid if I left it like that my customers wouldn't be very happy and not keen to pay either

I did notice on all of the vids on his channel the results did look rather poop too. Not to mention the dreaded black spot. lol



Iain macdonald

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2017, 04:41:25 pm »
What I thought was strange on all video her spraying it's basically every were surely if that was hypo it would be cause a lot damage surrounding areas. Not sure u looked at Facebook page there good few videos him using it. It may well be hypo just thought be worth find out a bit more about it the bit I found Intresting was patned part surly if was hypo u couldn't possibly bet a patned.

Smurf

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2017, 04:43:27 pm »
  I must say, I am actually quite curious. He states that its environmentally ok and on one of his videos its around a pond, where I would never use Hypo -  so if that`s the case may be worth a look. Will get the MSDS and might give it a try just to satify my curiosity.

If the chap has to use a respiratory, eye protection & gloves I'm guessing it's not going to be very healthy for pond life do you?

Smurf

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2017, 04:47:27 pm »
Oh and at 25.95 for 5 litres who is going to buy that in bulk. lol

Kev Martin

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2017, 05:36:22 pm »
Oh and at 25.95 for 5 litres who is going to buy that in bulk. lol

Depends what the dilution rates are
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Smurf

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2017, 06:12:43 pm »
Oh and at 25.95 for 5 litres who is going to buy that in bulk. lol

Depends what the dilution rates are
I don't care if it was extracted from yak poop and the dilution rate could be watered down to cat urine at over a 100 squid for 20 litres count me out. lol

Martin Beaumont

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Monty Solution - Managing Director / Founder & Developer.
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2017, 12:13:20 pm »
Hi there, I'm Martin Beaumont founder and developer of the Monty Solution. I can see Monty is causing quiet a stir here so, I'm happy to answer any questions you may have. In answer to just some of them, I do have the Patent Pending on the solution.  I have a chemist and a chemical Patent Attorney who keep the solution within the ranges of the law and Patent.  £25.95 is not at all the bulk price, this is for the general public to use a safe and tested solution just for there own private use. If you're a Trade User of Monty Solution, you get a  trade price so that you can make a very healthy living, you're welcome to use our photo's, we can help with website, advertising material and flyers etc we also protect your working area so that there isn't other Monty Users undercutting each other, this is free for anyone, we don't franchise or charge a licence.  Trade price is nowhere near £100.00  for 20L. I would be up there with the Richard Branson's of this world if they issued me a Patent Pending on Hypo, sadly, not in my lifetime,   I hope this helps to answer some of the comments here. Please do let me know if I can do anything to help answer any more questions. Wishing you all great success.  Martin.

M Roberts

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Re: Monty Solution - Managing Director / Founder & Developer.
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2017, 12:09:21 am »
Hi there, I'm Martin Beaumont founder and developer of the Monty Solution. I can see Monty is causing quiet a stir here so, I'm happy to answer any questions you may have. In answer to just some of them, I do have the Patent Pending on the solution.  I have a chemist and a chemical Patent Attorney who keep the solution within the ranges of the law and Patent.  £25.95 is not at all the bulk price, this is for the general public to use a safe and tested solution just for there own private use. If you're a Trade User of Monty Solution, you get a  trade price so that you can make a very healthy living, you're welcome to use our photo's, we can help with website, advertising material and flyers etc we also protect your working area so that there isn't other Monty Users undercutting each other, this is free for anyone, we don't franchise or charge a licence.  Trade price is nowhere near £100.00  for 20L. I would be up there with the Richard Branson's of this world if they issued me a Patent Pending on Hypo, sadly, not in my lifetime,   I hope this helps to answer some of the comments here. Please do let me know if I can do anything to help answer any more questions. Wishing you all great success.  Martin.
well done Martin, for answering doubts, funny how guys critising suddenly disappear

Martin Beaumont

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2017, 08:29:57 am »
Thanks so much,  I'm stunned that these comments have made the front page of google.  Isn't it now more than ever that we need British industry, inventors and backers? It may time for a rethink and actually stand together and support each other instead of taking people down without bothering to find out from them first how it all works? So pleased though that this is only the minority and not the majority.  Thanks again for your support.

Smurf

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2017, 12:07:27 pm »
Hi Martin, This is the price I was give by yourselves via email. Your words not mine.

"We do have a minimum Trade order of 4 x 25L to start with, this avoids the general public getting hold of it.

4 x 25 L of Monty Solution = £460.00 With Free Shipping.

There is no VAT to add at this time."

When I requested an SDS for coshh purposes (may I add more than once) I still never received one so that also irritated me.

Mike Halliday

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Re: Monty Solution - Managing Director / Founder & Developer.
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2017, 05:01:40 pm »
Hi there, I'm Martin Beaumont founder and developer of the Monty Solution. I can see Monty is causing quiet a stir here so, I'm happy to answer any questions you may have. In answer to just some of them, I do have the Patent Pending on the solution.  I have a chemist and a chemical Patent Attorney who keep the solution within the ranges of the law and Patent.  £25.95 is not at all the bulk price, this is for the general public to use a safe and tested solution just for there own private use. If you're a Trade User of Monty Solution, you get a  trade price so that you can make a very healthy living, you're welcome to use our photo's, we can help with website, advertising material and flyers etc we also protect your working area so that there isn't other Monty Users undercutting each other, this is free for anyone, we don't franchise or charge a licence.  Trade price is nowhere near £100.00  for 20L. I would be up there with the Richard Branson's of this world if they issued me a Patent Pending on Hypo, sadly, not in my lifetime,   I hope this helps to answer some of the comments here. Please do let me know if I can do anything to help answer any more questions. Wishing you all great success.  Martin.
well done Martin, for answering doubts, funny how guys critising suddenly disappear

Give us a chance.... he only posted yesterday...... and asking questions and raising points is not criticism it's the result  of an enquiring mind :D

As for Martin answering doubts,  he's mentioned he gives trade discounts I think the big question is ....is monty  solution a S/H based chemical? which most of the replies here seam to suggest. Plus as they say in Dragons Den 'patent pending' mean nothing  lets us know when you have a patent ;)
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Don Kee

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2017, 07:33:02 pm »
He can't spell 'quite' so I'm out...

chris scott

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2017, 02:07:28 pm »
Hi Martin Beaumont welcome to the forum. Can you supply me with a data sheets please?
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Smurf

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2017, 10:36:55 pm »
Hi Martin Beaumont welcome to the forum. Can you supply me with a data sheets please?

I'm guessing Martin don't have one or he would have made it available to the trade by now. All this clock and danger poope does my head in. lol


Martin Beaumont

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2017, 03:36:06 pm »
Hi there
I've had a look for emails requesting my SDS from Chris Scott / Smurf and I've never had a request from you for them. Either way, I only supply them to my Trade users, (and just to settle anymore comments on them) I only have to disclose some of the  ingredients to protect the Patent -   There is no "Clock and danger poope" and when someone refers to my product as cat urine, you can be sure of one thing, you won't be getting hold of anything to do with my business.  Other than one person on here, no one has asked me direct questions through email which is accessible to all of you. The one person wanted a 5L of Trade solution which I don't allow, my business, my rules.  I don't have to make any of my paperwork available to any of you, when my Trade users come on board, it's all available, Coshh, & SDS . If you have a problem with me not allowing the Trade Solution out to the public, I have no idea why, this protects your area and avoids people getting hold of it and undercutting my Trade users,  I note how you left the rest of the email out, a trade order of 100L covers 1500 square meters of which it is 0.30p to clean in your area which I protect for your business, along with all the paperwork, marketing material and everything else I can help with.
Interesting that "Dragons Den" mention Patent pending means nothing, fair enough only my business was invited onto the Den, along with all the paperwork I own, I do suspect this will open more criticism. If you really want me to start on how destructive jet washing is and put all your businesses down,  destroying customers property, I'm more than qualified to, I have been in the industry over 33 years, from sand blasting Power Stations to Ice blasting etc.  To the "Dragon" who is "out"  because of a typo with the word " Quite"  Do me a favor?  I'm glad I don't have the time or inclination to trawl through forums and find Typos and slate people for making a difference.... I'll be sure to let you know when I have secured the Patent, thanks very much. For anyone who has sensible questions please ask away, if not, I'll let you all continue on your quest to slate businesses and make up what you don't know and haven't bothered to ask. Martin.

Smurf

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2017, 10:12:21 pm »
Martin don't you think you are being a wee bit offish as before your potential trade customers are going to part with £460 of their hard earned cash they will want to know in advance the chemical and concentration they will be handling surely?

Just take a look at many of the chemical suppliers on the internet as you will find they provide sds, information sheets etc to download so it's not unreasonable to ask for one now is it? 

If you have nothing to hide then why not just post the msds and information sheet for the trade version of Monty solution.



Kev Martin

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2017, 06:25:33 am »
Hi there
I've had a look for emails requesting my SDS from Chris Scott / Smurf and I've never had a request from you for them. Either way, I only supply them to my Trade users, (and just to settle anymore comments on them) I only have to disclose some of the  ingredients to protect the Patent -   There is no "Clock and danger poope" and when someone refers to my product as cat urine, you can be sure of one thing, you won't be getting hold of anything to do with my business.  Other than one person on here, no one has asked me direct questions through email which is accessible to all of you. The one person wanted a 5L of Trade solution which I don't allow, my business, my rules.  I don't have to make any of my paperwork available to any of you, when my Trade users come on board, it's all available, Coshh, & SDS . If you have a problem with me not allowing the Trade Solution out to the public, I have no idea why, this protects your area and avoids people getting hold of it and undercutting my Trade users,  I note how you left the rest of the email out, a trade order of 100L covers 1500 square meters of which it is 0.30p to clean in your area which I protect for your business, along with all the paperwork, marketing material and everything else I can help with.
Interesting that "Dragons Den" mention Patent pending means nothing, fair enough only my business was invited onto the Den, along with all the paperwork I own, I do suspect this will open more criticism. If you really want me to start on how destructive jet washing is and put all your businesses down,  destroying customers property, I'm more than qualified to, I have been in the industry over 33 years, from sand blasting Power Stations to Ice blasting etc.  To the "Dragon" who is "out"  because of a typo with the word " Quite"  Do me a favor?  I'm glad I don't have the time or inclination to trawl through forums and find Typos and slate people for making a difference.... I'll be sure to let you know when I have secured the Patent, thanks very much. For anyone who has sensible questions please ask away, if not, I'll let you all continue on your quest to slate businesses and make up what you don't know and haven't bothered to ask. Martin.

Martin

Welcome to the Forum, quite frankly I think you are over reacting.  People on here have various traits which take a while to recognise.  Smurf will buy anything as long as it is from Lidl or Aldi.  Mike Halliday Moderator and (Ex Bricklayer) doesn't believe anything and questions everybody unless he knocked it together for tuppence.   In fact my shoes probably cost more than his whole set up ;D.  So essentially don't take it to heart just let them get on with it.   
I have had a look at your product together with your utube vids and I quite like it.   I also took the trouble of looking at your websites, various internet profiles and the available information at CH on your two different companies.  Therefore I would be interested if you could email me details of the product, together with trade pricing to  kevinmartin56@icloud.com
If this is not possible let me have the best email address for you and I will email you.  If you need to call I am available on 07770 598855

Kevin
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Mike Halliday

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2017, 07:24:46 am »
Kev are you not an X tiler?? ;)  and what sort of mug spend £18k on shoes? ( the cost of my latest but of kit)

But to be honest all the criticism on this post seams to be about not answering a simple question which was is monty solution S/H. A simple of yes or no whould have killed this topic dead.

I am slightly concerned about this topic because in the end we are all in the business of making money and creating a future for ourselves. with CIU No longer locked against Googlebots topics can show up on google searches, which on  a whole is good for companies SEO. but in this case if you search monty solution on google this topic shows as a high result  which could have a negative effect on Martins bussiness (which goes against the whole ethos of what CIU  is about).

This being so I will delete this topic this evening, this will allow anyone else to comment And see the reason for it disappearing
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Kev Martin

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2017, 08:39:45 am »
Kev are you not an X tiler?? ;)  and what sort of mug spend £18k on shoes? ( the cost of my latest but of kit)

But to be honest all the criticism on this post seams to be about not answering a simple question which was is monty solution S/H. A simple of yes or no whould have killed this topic dead.

I am slightly concerned about this topic because in the end we are all in the business of making money and creating a future for ourselves. with CIU No longer locked against Googlebots topics can show up on google searches, which on  a whole is good for companies SEO. but in this case if you search monty solution on google this topic shows as a high result  which could have a negative effect on Martins bussiness (which goes against the whole ethos of what CIU  is about).

This being so I will delete this topic this evening, this will allow anyone else to comment And see the reason for it disappearing

Mike

The shoes thing was a joke (I only spent £17K on them) ;D as was the ex Brickie, nothing more!   So was Smurf only shopping in Aldi & Lidl.

I for one welcome any new product especially if it is safer than what is available.  I spend a lot of time and money researching and sourcing safer and better chemicals together with best methods for hard surface cleaning and sealing.  Martin has a point regarding pressure washing and whilst it certainly has a place in cleaning so does soft washing and alternative products.  Professional cleaners along with the General Public need to know that there are alternatives.  Speed is not always the answer and sometimes a kinder process with a dwell time is a better alternative.

So remove / lock the post if you like you have that power as a MOD.  It will not affect me but,  I do think people need to know that there are alternatives.

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Smurf

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2017, 09:14:51 am »
Think you have hit the nail on the head there Kev as what surprised  me which may I add I thought was very odd was the minimum order of 100 litre  for trade only customers. Then to top it off when I requested  the msds my emails were totally ignored.  Not what you would call a great start now was it for someone that was generally interested to trial a product.

chris scott

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2017, 07:11:10 am »
Hi Martin

Can you send me a data sheet for your product please, we use a large amount of exterior cleaning products, maybe in excess of 3 000L  per year.
 Is your product classed as corrosive ?.... we clean a lot of metal cladding.
 Is your product biodegradable...we have a certain contract where this is the criteria ?
 Does it carry the "dead fish " label.
 Can it be used on Astro turf?
 Is it passed for use on through coloured render ...by the manufacturers .
 Does it smell strongly ...we have one certain internal contract where this matters.
Do we have to nuetralise after use ...if so by an acid or alkali soluction.
Is it safe on wood?
Will it discolour organic materials like ...like sun canopies ?



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Smudger

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2017, 06:42:52 pm »
Agree with the lads here - not knocking you Martin but over the years we've seen loads of 'new' cleaning miracle agents the worst of which was just diluted G101 sold at 5 times its value !!!

I worry that you have full time staff - and developed this product YET still remain under the VAT threshold ...

i Have ONE SIMPLE Question ( and i hope you answer it )

does your product contain sodium hypochlorite ?  YES or NO

Darran
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Martin Beaumont

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2017, 03:03:23 pm »
I'm unsure if the people posting on here understand the concept of a Patent or Patent Pending so let me help you out.

You think of an idea, and if you think it has substance, you'd then spend a significant amount of money with a Chemist, and around £800.00 per hour with a Patent Attorney. To put a Patent out,  if granted (Which could take up to three years) you'd then own the Patent, in the meantime, whilst you're getting through an endless amount of money, it's a good idea to keep the recipe a secret.  :o

Here is my Patent Attorneys name and address, perhaps you'll have more luck with him than you are with me. I've also included his Bio for you, just in case there is any doubt as to who he is or what he does. Feel free to call / email him and let him know Martin would like him to discuss what is in the Monty Solution with you.

(This is in case you want to do a google search, I've saved you the trouble) (Start Of Bio as found on google) Robin Browne has more than twenty years' post qualification experience of both corporate and private practice in many aspects of patent, trademark, design and exploitation matters.
His practice has included prosecution of European and international patent applications for a wide variety of clients with particular emphasis on chemical and pharmaceutical subject matter. He has experience of patent and trademark litigation in the UK high Court, Court of Appeal and House of Lords. 
Robin Browne
Registered Office
15 St Pauls Street, Leeds, UK, LS1 2JG
Tel: 0845 270 4900
Email: Info@hepworthbrowne.com
In the meantime, I'm appalled at some of the comments displayed here over the months,  the idea that it has made it to the front page of google and harming my business is beyond comprehension.  I neither have the time or inclination to comment further, I have furnished all of you with the relevant details of Robin Brown who is dealing with my Patent and I wish you all well.

Smudger

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2017, 03:38:35 pm »
as said before we have seen many "revolutionary" products
personally i would need data sheet before even buying the product - just like my clients demand from me - from your posts your unwilling to supply these under the term "secret"
not sure if thats legal or not - can't be bothered to check but i will say i can get info on all legitimate products

Darran
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chris scott

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2017, 06:21:55 pm »
So it's bleach then ;D
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Smudger

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2017, 06:24:31 pm »
So it's bleach then ;D
Can't be - it's a secret  ;)
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Splash & dash

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2017, 11:19:28 pm »
I think this guy is the solar steve of softwashing 😂😂😂😂😂 simple question is it sh or not why can you not answer a simple question ???  People arnt going to buy a product without data sheets as our customers dictate what can and cannot be used on the properties due to the type of building material , alloy cladding steel cladding , stone ,brick, k rend wood , and so the list goes on , how can we decide what's best and more importantly safe and won't cause damage to the client or there properties without this vital information, as they say on the den Ime out 😂😂😂😂😂

mike1986

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2017, 06:08:45 pm »
I just bought this and tried it out. ITS DEFINITELY HYPO! Stinks of bleach! Plus on the instructions explains how it will kill plants etc if not thoroughly watered before and after.

robbo333

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2017, 06:16:45 pm »
I think you should get it patented and then put it to market. Saves all this p***sing about.
I have a customer with a huge grade 2 listed building that needs cleaning.
Am I going to use a product without the full RAMS and COSH. No f****ing way.
It sounds like you have a very good product with no idea of marketing or...
you have bleach with no idea of marketing.
Good luck.

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robbie peters

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2017, 07:20:22 pm »
Hello Lads,

Been lurking & reading the posts here for a while, so joined as some good info on this board.

For many years I used to run my own gardening care business,then one day the other half mentions that her company are looking for a maintenance man, I go along for the interview, and get the poxy job!

However after 2 1/2 years I'm starting to hate it! So looking to start on my own again. don't want to go into gardening service again, so maybe start jet washing/soft washing....

This is my 1st post, and as Monty Solution came up .....just had to post!

Also I've been doing a lot of research on this jet washing/soft washing over the last few months.

1st up ....to the long time members here massive thanks for ya posts especially Mike Halliday your posts are just so helpful its beyond words! ;D

Now over to you Martin Beaumont.

RE:I'm unsure if the people posting on here understand the concept of a Patent or Patent Pending so let me help you out.

What and you do?

You have a recipe and you can NOT Patent a recipe.

Don't believe me then ring the London patent office on: 0300 300 2000

AND they will tell you the ONLY protection is a: 'Trade Secret'

Patent Attorney's sell fear AND you've been robbed!

But hey hoo what goes round comes round, only the gullible will buy your product, its obvious what Monty Solution is cos ya won't answer any of the lads questions here!

RE: If you really want me to start on how destructive jet washing is and put all your businesses down,  destroying customers property, I'm more than qualified to, I have been in the industry over 33 years, from sand blasting Power Stations to Ice blasting etc.

Then explain how in the heck are you going to clean something like this:

(picture copyright @ Mike Halliday - HOPE you don't mind me post it, btw good thread that one!)


BTW, I have the Monty Solution msds sheets, they were obtained from Martin Beaumont by a friend of mine that  I'm going into the jet washing/soft washing business with, when we were doing our research. I'm not going to post them on a public forum, however if Mike Halliday is reading this, send me a PM.

Mike Halliday

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2017, 07:57:48 pm »
We don't have a pm system on clean it up, but if you want to contact me my website is listed below with a contact page & phone number

Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

robbie peters

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2017, 09:00:51 pm »
We don't have a pm system on clean it up, but if you want to contact me my website is listed below with a contact page & phone number

Mike, i just sent you a pm via this site did you get it?

edit!

i clicked your profile Mike, and sent a message, but yeah your right i can't receive messages.

the other thing is at your website i can't attached / send docs?

Mike Halliday

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2017, 09:37:23 pm »
The email listed in profile is incorrect my email is: henrycarpetcleaning@gmail.com
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

robbie peters

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2017, 09:55:33 pm »
Just sent ya an email mike, do let me know your thoughts.

Smurf

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2017, 08:47:01 pm »
Did you get my email Mike?

Mike Halliday

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2017, 08:14:23 am »
No....no email from ' Smurf'
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

robbie peters

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2017, 10:42:54 am »
Mike has  received my email with Monty Solution msds.
How Mike proceeds with the info is entirely up to him.

I do hope this thread is not closed as the public need to know and not get taken for a ride!

BTW, Mike and for those wondering....I'm NOT 'Smurf' :o

Smurf

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2017, 10:51:37 pm »
No....no email from ' Smurf'

Mike I will send again to the email you posted.


Smurf

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2017, 10:59:13 pm »
No....no email from ' Smurf'

Mike I will send again to the email you posted.

Email now sent.

Smurf

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #48 on: July 14, 2017, 10:43:24 am »
Cheers Mike. Mums the word. lol

ashbash

Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #49 on: July 30, 2017, 04:09:27 pm »
i was about to make my first trade order tommorow. Is this hypo or not guys. This is what a forum is for. i have just used a test batch and it smells of bleach. Any info would be great.



Smurf

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #50 on: July 30, 2017, 06:46:56 pm »
i was about to make my first trade order tommorow. Is this hypo or not guys. This is what a forum is for. i have just used a test batch and it smells of bleach. Any info would be great.
 
So put it this way are you happy enough with the test batch results to warrant paying 480 squid for 100 ltr of the bleach smelling stuff???  For example you could buy a 1000 ltr ibc of hypo for around the same cost. Some big boys in the softwash world pay as low as 200 for 1000 ltr ibc that order every month.

If you want a premix which is labelled for use for soft washing then try this as you can get 100 ltrs for 179.99 plus vat https://www.benzsoftwash.com/products/blackwash?variant=6683457857

ashbash

Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #51 on: July 30, 2017, 08:21:07 pm »
its not about money smurf, i just wanted to know what i was buying before i made the order.

im not out to slate someone  bussiness and certainly would not post anything negative or positive till i had used it myself, which i have but also have the facts to what exacly is in there to see if the product is decent or not.






chris scott

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #52 on: July 31, 2017, 08:47:21 am »
Ask them for a msds sheet before you purchase....if they wont , dont. Any respectable company will send you one.
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robbie peters

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #53 on: August 03, 2017, 09:10:39 pm »
i was about to make my first trade order tommorow. Is this hypo or not guys. This is what a forum is for. i have just used a test batch and it smells of bleach. Any info would be great.

yes.

robbie peters

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #54 on: August 03, 2017, 09:41:40 pm »
Ask them for a msds sheet before you purchase....if they wont , dont. Any respectable company will send you one.

EXACTLY Chris, you only have to look at a decent companies AND they ALL FREELY supply the MSDS !

You don't even need to ask here's benzsoftwash MSDS:
https://www.benzsoftwash.com/pages/safety-data-sheet-sds

@ashbash

In regards to your 'Monty Solution test batch'

I pretty sure its LAW to state what ingredients you have in a mixture on the label, so surely its on the Monty Solution label? (BUT NOT THE exact recipe weights/volume/percent)

If its NOT on the label then you are breaking UK law.

How odd that Martin hasn't posted since my post about his patent BS.

ashbash

Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #55 on: August 04, 2017, 06:44:13 pm »
didnt bother with the order in the end. 

CleanerCarpets

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #56 on: February 27, 2018, 07:28:49 pm »
So Mike - did you get the MSDS details? Was it a hypo/detergent/scent mix??

Woodys

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #57 on: February 28, 2018, 02:50:00 pm »
Attached is a copy of the instructions for using Monty. Reading them makes it sound  like it's Hypo

CleanerCarpets

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #58 on: February 28, 2018, 04:46:02 pm »
Thanks for that - i am sure its Hypo based - just be nice to see an msds for it

Splash & dash

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #59 on: February 28, 2018, 09:14:01 pm »
Farm supplies dairy hypochlorite £10 for 25 ltr job done

CleanerCarpets

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #60 on: February 28, 2018, 11:36:58 pm »
is that collected? cheapest i've found online is about £16 for 25 litres

Tony Thomson

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #61 on: July 31, 2018, 10:29:22 am »
Hi

I came across this thread because I was looking for more info on Monty Miracle. (My mother was just about to buy some.) In common with several others in this thread I was simply interested in the main ingredients in Monty Miracle but frustrated by the lack of basic disclosure.

For the record I’ve a Ph.D in the chemistry area and 21 U.S Patents so perhaps I can give some comment on chemistry and the patent application that Mr Beumont has filed.

The filing details of the application are:
Application Number: GB1604140.2
Publication Number: GB2548343
Filing Date: 10 March 2016
Publication Date: 20 Sept 2017
Title: External Surface Cleaning Composition

The entire contents of the application are freely available in the public domain. (See this link: https://www.ipo.gov.uk/p-find-publication-getPDF.pdf?PatentNo=GB2548343&DocType=A&JournalNumber=6696)

The application discloses Hypochlorite as the main ingredient. The main inventive step claimed appears to be, in my opinion, a reduction in the amount of hypochlorite usually used (‘.. below a level conventionally considered essential for effective cleaning ..’) by combining with a material such as potassium hydroxide.

The application gives no comparative data concerning the inventors  composition and competitive products or even versus hypochlorite only.

Whether or not this patent application will be allowed remains to be seen. Reckitt & Colman Inc patented hypochlorite / hydroxide compositions for hard surface cleaning some time ago (for example US Patent 5624891).

I hope this sheds some light on those in this thread who simply wanted to understand the general nature of what’s likely to be in the discussed product.
Given that the application is in the public domain, if the product being marketed is similar to the compositions claimed in the application, why not at least in general terms, confirm the main ingredients?

If anyone is really motivated they can purchase a hypochlorite test kit to determine its presence.

Regardless, if Mr Beaumont has a great product good luck to him.

Smudger

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Re: any one heard Monty Solution
« Reply #62 on: July 31, 2018, 11:40:47 am »
 >:(
Hi

I came across this thread because I was looking for more info on Monty Miracle. (My mother was just about to buy some.) In common with several others in this thread I was simply interested in the main ingredients in Monty Miracle but frustrated by the lack of basic disclosure.

For the record I’ve a Ph.D in the chemistry area and 21 U.S Patents so perhaps I can give some comment on chemistry and the patent application that Mr Beumont has filed.

The filing details of the application are:
Application Number: GB1604140.2
Publication Number: GB2548343
Filing Date: 10 March 2016
Publication Date: 20 Sept 2017
Title: External Surface Cleaning Composition

The entire contents of the application are freely available in the public domain. (See this link: https://www.ipo.gov.uk/p-find-publication-getPDF.pdf?PatentNo=GB2548343&DocType=A&JournalNumber=6696)

The application discloses Hypochlorite as the main ingredient. The main inventive step claimed appears to be, in my opinion, a reduction in the amount of hypochlorite usually used (‘.. below a level conventionally considered essential for effective cleaning ..’) by combining with a material such as potassium hydroxide.

The application gives no comparative data concerning the inventors  composition and competitive products or even versus hypochlorite only.

Whether or not this patent application will be allowed remains to be seen. Reckitt & Colman Inc patented hypochlorite / hydroxide compositions for hard surface cleaning some time ago (for example US Patent 5624891).

I hope this sheds some light on those in this thread who simply wanted to understand the general nature of what’s likely to be in the discussed product.
Given that the application is in the public domain, if the product being marketed is similar to the compositions claimed in the application, why not at least in general terms, confirm the main ingredients?

If anyone is really motivated they can purchase a hypochlorite test kit to determine its presence.

Regardless, if Mr Beaumont has a great product good luck to him.
What a great post
Thank you for taking the time to share the info
Darran
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