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W.booler

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Re: Qualifications?
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2016, 08:12:59 am »
There's a couple of teachers have come out of education to take up window cleaning not far from me, because of stress! An accountant I know is going into education to have a less stressful life! These people work a minimum of 60 hours a week..we can work school hours 9 til 3, earn a good living, fresh air stress free meeting people everyday, it keeps you fit.. I went on a low level accountancy course a few years ago, just to see if it was for me....I was as bored as I was at school. I don't think you'd come bottom of the class for choosing a stress free life  ;)

SeanK

Re: Qualifications?
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2016, 08:52:57 am »
Come on guys we all know that window cleaning is a hateful job that nobody in their right mind would do if they had any
other choice, we are at the bottom of the social heap and we know it, a guide dog would be better qualified than us.
Personally I only do it because I wasn't qualified to do the job I'm passionate about which is teaching motivation and positive
thinking.

dazmond

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Re: Qualifications?
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2016, 09:17:55 am »
Come on guys we all know that window cleaning is a hateful job that nobody in their right mind would do if they had any
other choice, we are at the bottom of the social heap and we know it, a guide dog would be better qualified than us.
Personally I only do it because I wasn't qualified to do the job I'm passionate about which is teaching motivation and positive
thinking.

as paul says window cleaning allows time off/flexibility so you could  study if you wanted.


price higher/work harder!

slap bash

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Re: Qualifications?
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2016, 10:02:21 am »
I have a B. Com degreeThe University of Stellenbosch, but coming to the U K late in life could not get work in my field as been to old, so ended cleaning windows. It frustrated me working for some asses with less life experience than myself. With little cash needed to be a window cleaner and being my own boss. I am not too proud to work manually to earn a living.
Ps as far as I know eng is a Bachelor of science degree and not a bachelor of arts degree. So BSC is correct.

Rich Wilts

Re: Qualifications?
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2016, 10:21:26 am »
Come on guys we all know that window cleaning is a hateful job that nobody in their right mind would do if they had any
other choice, we are at the bottom of the social heap and we know it, a guide dog would be better qualified than us.
Personally I only do it because I wasn't qualified to do the job I'm passionate about which is teaching motivation and positive
thinking
.

This is irony, isn't it?

SeanK

Re: Qualifications?
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2016, 10:37:51 am »
Come on guys we all know that window cleaning is a hateful job that nobody in their right mind would do if they had any
other choice, we are at the bottom of the social heap and we know it, a guide dog would be better qualified than us.
Personally I only do it because I wasn't qualified to do the job I'm passionate about which is teaching motivation and positive
thinking
.

This is irony, isn't it?

Yes ;D

Rich Wilts

Re: Qualifications?
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2016, 10:47:11 am »
Thank god for that. If it wasn't I knew one of us must have lost the plot  ;D

andyM

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Re: Qualifications?
« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2016, 11:02:03 am »
I have a B. Com degreeThe University of Stellenbosch, but coming to the U K late in life could not get work in my field as been to old, so ended cleaning windows. It frustrated me working for some asses with less life experience than myself. With little cash needed to be a window cleaner and being my own boss. I am not too proud to work manually to earn a living.
Ps as far as I know eng is a Bachelor of science degree and not a bachelor of arts degree. So BSC is correct.

English Literature isn't a Science.  ;)
One of the Plebs

Dave Willis

Re: Qualifications?
« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2016, 11:05:11 am »
Idontgoto University five years.

Carl2009

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Re: Qualifications?
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2016, 01:44:49 pm »
This is an interesting thread.

I'm 52 and left school with 9 or so CSE's  with a Grade 1 and a couple of 2's. Back then in my neck of the woods, Blackpool, no-one went to university. I mean I know of no-one that went to Uni from my school. Most lads went to work for ICI, BAC or BNFL; girls did some sort of secretarial training and then had babies at 24 or so. I put my poor exam results down to complacency - I got 4 Grade 1's in my mocks and thought I was home and dry :-)

I worked in the local council rates department before going overseas at 22. To cut a long story short I did a lot of travelling in the Middle East and Asia for many years eventually in 1993 leading overland adventure holidays in that region. Subsequently I worked for a couple of companies as what is called a Product Manager - I was responsible for the creation of itineraries, planning the logistics, contracting local suppliers, costing, pricing, brochure text creation and all operational  logistics including responding to and reacting passenger feedback. In my last role I have approx 135 trips to look after, though I also managed a team of people who did the grunt work.

The company I joined in 1996 was a start up, backed by money from Travelbag. There were 3 directors. me and another guy for the first couple of months. In time we grew it from loss making to a company that was bought by eBookers, then sold to First Choice. It is still going and is one of the top 3 adventure travel companies in the UK.

I eventually left the industry because it had become extremely stressful. Small companies are now gone, or are rather owned by large companies.  The start up I mentioned is now part of TUI. Producing 3 or 4 brochures a year each with a dozen deadlines whilst managing people who don't give a stuff is hard. I felt that whilst it was well paid (not stratespheric but certainly way above average) it wasn't worth the stress. I was going to be a heart attack candidate by 45.

So we moved to Wales and I became a window cleaner. Sure, there is a loss of so called status in being a window cleaner - there is no doubt that people look down on you. But that's good. They all think we earn £12k a year. Let them think that. It's also good because it mainly attracts those with few qualifications; they tend to charge little, work in summer only, and come and go. This is good because as pro window cleaners our position is secure - imagine if everyone was diligent - they'd be a hell of a lot more competition.

So here I am. 52. No mortgage, working 4 days a week, 9am - 2pm and earning way above the average for the area in which I live (i've just paid a £5k tax bill, so you can probably work out what I make). I'm up to date on my cleans given the better weather. Because it was so poor in Nov and Dec I have re-jgged it all and i'm off all next week :-)

Now, i'm willing to accept i'm only a window cleaner for that kind of lifestyle. Unfortunately we now live in an age when qualifications are essential; when I was a lad it was more about experience and if your face fitted.  In my time i've interviewed too many people with a degree whose English language skills were lamentable, barely readable. Why did we interview them? Because that's the standard nowadays and so many people passing through today's education system have a similar standard. It's the norm.

Qualifications mean little to me. What you have achieved in your life, however old you are, is more important (and achieve doesn't necessarily equate to owning a big house and flash car).

I'm just a lad from Blackpool with a  few CSE's but I own my own house outright, have been to Petra in Jordan a dozen times, i've trekked in the Himalayas, been across the Mongolian steppe, seen Palmyra before ISIS destroyed it, been in jungles with stone age people etc, I have a thriving business, i'm well respected with a great reputation and have friends around the globe. I'm happy and am proud to be a window cleaner - a job that rewards an honest day's work with an honest day's pay.

Smurf

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Re: Qualifications?
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2016, 02:54:20 pm »
I was issued and intrusted with what seemed like an unlimited credit card for corporate expences and entertaining vips in one of my many jobs if that counts...Needless to say I had a great time.  ;D

sunshine windows

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Re: Qualifications?
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2016, 03:00:00 pm »
Hope you've still got it for Monday Alan 😂

Great post Carl. Sounds like you've lived an interesting life so far
To climb mount fuji you must first find a path
(Swindon, Wiltshire)

www.sunshinewindowcleaning.co.uk
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Smurf

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Re: Qualifications?
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2016, 03:21:11 pm »
Hope you've still got it for Monday Alan

Great post Carl. Sounds like you've lived an interesting life so far

Nope Lance as had to hand it back in more the pity.
Regards Monday are you still good to go Lance...If so will give you a bell shortly. ;)

sunshine windows

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Re: Qualifications?
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2016, 03:28:19 pm »
Yes, no problem. Finished till the 8th Feb  ;D
To climb mount fuji you must first find a path
(Swindon, Wiltshire)

www.sunshinewindowcleaning.co.uk
www.sunshinesoftwashing.co.uk

windowswashed

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Re: Qualifications?
« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2016, 04:00:58 pm »
4 city & Guilds, various RSA's and University education but get bored easily, love learning new things, never too old to learn new things, keeps the mind active and interested, more a passion really. Never look down or take advantage of less fortunately educated people. love teaching youngster willing to learn. Helped my girlfriend's daughter through her nursing education when she couldn't hack it and was struggling to understand all the medical course, she stuck at it and was so grateful I helped her to understand and digest it better than her mum could. Love helping people who struggle to learn but are so glad when they've done it, makes me feel good when they pass and good knowing you've helped someone to achieve something they thought was impossible, just takes time, patience and understanding the person and how to motivate them.

combat1

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Re: Qualifications?
« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2016, 04:11:33 pm »
Public school, GSE's, HND Business and Finance,  various  other certs. 20 yrs sales and management. 2 courses at BWCA , City and Guilds.
The HND taught me what a brilliant business window cleaning is.
It meets just about all the requirements.
I've never been happier, wish I'd done it years ago.

CLEANCARE WC

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Re: Qualifications?
« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2016, 05:02:47 pm »
6 GCSE'S all grade 'C' & a Bobby charltons school of soccer certificate.
WE CLEAN BY FAITH, NOT BY SIGHT WITH WATER FED POLE WHEN WORKING AT HEIGHT.

andyM

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Re: Qualifications?
« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2016, 05:53:26 pm »
Cycling Proficiency and 25 metres Front crawl with me pyjamas on.
One of the Plebs

Dave Willis

Re: Qualifications?
« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2016, 05:59:40 pm »
I wanted to enter Jordan years ago.







Until I heard her speak on the telly.  :-X

sunshine windows

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Re: Qualifications?
« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2016, 06:09:41 pm »
To the fella's with mainly A's, University Degree's or higher education than just passing school exams, Do you run window cleaning businesses employing people or are you one man bands?

How many people with very little qualifications have turned window cleaning into a lucrative business for themselves? I know Mick Kent has, but anyone else?
To climb mount fuji you must first find a path
(Swindon, Wiltshire)

www.sunshinewindowcleaning.co.uk
www.sunshinesoftwashing.co.uk