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Tadgh O Shea

Re: do wfp users out number traders
« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2015, 12:00:29 am »
I'm not knocking them the way they work I worked like it myself for a long time,a better easier method came along I took it end of,my point is most of them don't want to change because they don't want to put the effort in to making there life simpler-easier in my experience of talking to them. Bit  like saying I bike 20 miles a day to work just to keep fit when really they don't want to fork out for a car eh.


Mate what planet do you live on ? there's hardly a week goes by on this forum without a post on sore joints neck pain RSI all
caused by WFP, I would convert to traditional cleaning tomorrow if I wasn't afraid of breaking my neck, which by the way
feels as if its broken after a days poling.
WFP is a method of cleaning windows while keeping your feet safely on the ground it has both good and bad points just like traditional cleaning but neither is easy.
Spot on Sean, great reply.

Smurf

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Re: do wfp users out number traders
« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2015, 12:16:24 am »
I'm not knocking them the way they work I worked like it myself for a long time,a better easier method came along I took it end of,my point is most of them don't want to change because they don't want to put the effort in to making there life simpler-easier in my experience of talking to them. Bit  like saying I bike 20 miles a day to work just to keep fit when really they don't want to fork out for a car eh.

Mate what planet do you live on ? there's hardly a week goes by on this forum without a post on sore joints neck pain RSI all
caused by WFP, I would convert to traditional cleaning tomorrow if I wasn't afraid of breaking my neck, which by the way
feels as if its broken after a days poling.
WFP is a method of cleaning windows while keeping your feet safely on the ground it has both good and bad points just like traditional cleaning but neither is easy.
Spot on Sean, great reply.

Ladders are banned don't you know  ;D

Walter Mitty

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Re: do wfp users out number traders
« Reply #42 on: December 02, 2015, 07:03:21 am »
I can understand people not wanting to make the switch.  It can be a lot of hassle early on.  It took me a few months to get settled after making it.

I needed finance for a bigger van as an Escort 55 clearly wouldn't be up to it (I didn't want to use backpack+containers).
I had to get set up purifying water, as it isn't possible for me to do it from home (and learn a few new things).  Finding a suitable place was tricky.
I printed out a note for each customer informing them of the switch.  I made a big mistake on this one by going into too much detail.  Lesson learned.
Initially, it took longer getting through my work.  There were several reasons for this:  Scrubbing top frames; going over some work twice as I was concerned about doing a bad job; being generally slow as I needed to think about each aspect before they became habits.

So the early months after changing can be difficult - both financially and due to the stress of having to change longstanding habits.
It was well worth it though.  Even though my outgoings are far higher than with trad, my additional turnover far exceeds those extra expenses - and I'm far less likely to break my neck.

NWH

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Re: do wfp users out number traders
« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2015, 10:48:23 am »
The above post proves my point here we have someone willing to get off his arse and stopping the excuses and the moaning putting obstacles in the way,he's put in  the effort and now sees it makes sense financially and from the safety side of things as well. If I saw the odd WC with a pole I would think that's not catching on but nearly all and I mean 9 out of 10 I see have a pole system are we all wrong then or are we missing a trick somewhere lol,better go gotta pick the kids up at 1-00 lol.

SeanK

Re: do wfp users out number traders
« Reply #44 on: December 02, 2015, 11:22:04 am »
The above post proves my point here we have someone willing to get off his arse and stopping the excuses and the moaning putting obstacles in the way,he's put in  the effort and now sees it makes sense financially and from the safety side of things as well. If I saw the odd WC with a pole I would think that's not catching on but nearly all and I mean 9 out of 10 I see have a pole system are we all wrong then or are we missing a trick somewhere lol,better go gotta pick the kids up at 1-00 lol.

What you need to realise is your opinions are only based on what you see around you, in my area as far as I'm aware
not a single traditional cleaner has converted to the pole.
I got into window cleaning because I seen it as good way of making a half decent living and this was by looking at what traditional guys where earning, I choose to go down the WFP route not because I could make 4 times the money but because
I didn't like the thought of going head first through a patio door while hanging on to my ladder as it slid from under me.
You harping on about it making sense financially and it being easy money is no less silly than a traditional guy harping on about
WFP not cleaning windows properly.
I have properties that I will clean quicker than a traditional cleaner I have other properties that because of faffing about with
problem openers they could be cleaned quicker using traditional methods but overall I would say I'm slightly quicker but
I'm talking about a small percentage money wise when you take in the extra expense of wfp, it certainly wouldn't be enough
to temp me off the ladders if I felt confident working from them.
As with everything in this game it will all depend on what your cleaning and any decent window cleaner will weigh up the pro's and cons.

NWH

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Re: do wfp users out number traders
« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2015, 11:46:47 am »
Fair play to you Sean you've been honest in your reply,for me and many others it's way way quicker in most cases 3 times quicker on houses we do.

Re: do wfp users out number traders
« Reply #46 on: December 02, 2015, 01:51:30 pm »
Fair play to you Sean you've been honest in your reply,for me and many others it's way way quicker in most cases 3 times quicker on houses we do.

Picking your kids up at 1, is that because you don't have any work?

NWH

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Re: do wfp users out number traders
« Reply #47 on: December 02, 2015, 02:02:09 pm »
Try reading back over a few posts m8 I'm talking about some of the other people that say they've done a days work but use the excuse I've got to pick the kids up from school at 1-00 so that's why I have to knock off work lol💤💤

dave f

Re: do wfp users out number traders
« Reply #48 on: December 02, 2015, 02:10:10 pm »
I think its time to put this topic to bed.

NWH

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Re: do wfp users out number traders
« Reply #49 on: December 02, 2015, 02:23:55 pm »
Ok Dad.

Re: do wfp users out number traders
« Reply #50 on: December 02, 2015, 02:36:22 pm »
i see.

NWH

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Re: do wfp users out number traders New
« Reply #51 on: December 02, 2015, 03:09:28 pm »
Mod edit. Please be mindful and careful what you're posting

Re: do wfp users out number traders
« Reply #52 on: December 02, 2015, 08:28:31 pm »
It's a word the late, lamented cozy used a lot. I miss him  :'(