Cheers guys, reasons to remove them are mainly to just get off them altogether for the higher jobs and then I won't have an excuse to pull them off the roof when there's a nice gutter job need doing, I have more than enough window jobs to not need the gutter cleans any more, then every time I do need to get them off the roof off my transit I have to get my little platform out the van to climb up and unlock then unbolt the ladders, it's all time consuming for the sake of a single floor extension, I just feel it would be easier with some sort of folding telescopic ladders in the van as long as they was safe without collapsing even though it's just first floor height I don't want to be using anything that could go faulty!!!