[Mick Kent]

Today i have been on a school builders clean and all the windows were covered in render dust and grime..
Pure alone wasnt cutting it so i bought some viacal limescale remover as needed something for the limescale marks which i sprayed on the glass before i poled which worked a treat and gave off a nice lemon smell. It bubbled an awful lot however when they dried out they dried perfectly!. Is vision the same sort of thing with its orange smell and bubbles??? If so then what a con!

[Matt.]

Maybe !!!

[kempy]

There's several ingrediants in Vision .

[Jonny 87]

Today i have been on a school builders clean and all the windows were covered in render dust and grime..
Pure alone wasnt cutting it so i bought some viacal limescale remover as needed something for the limescale marks which i sprayed on the glass before i poled which worked a treat and gave off a nice lemon smell. It bubbled an awful lot however when they dried out they dried perfectly!. Is vision the same sort of thing with its orange smell and bubbles??? If so then what a con!

I'm sure if people could work out what was in vision they would be posting it everywhere.

 We have even had people saying that they are sending it to a laboratory to get tested and prove what was in it.

Funnily enough they have gone very quiet. 

Vision isn't a rebranded product or something you can buy anywhere else. It has different ingredients all blended together in a specific way with a specific ratio.

No con here mick.

Put vision side by side with any other product and you will see the difference.

[Smudger]

Yep I clearly see a difference




Very old Georgian windows, flaky paint, ivy all round them, cleaned twice a year - not a spot or run in sight
Using gg4

Darran

[dazmond]

vision leaves a better shine all around.no idea whats in it,i care even less really.it also reduces runs from top seals.

its interesting that there was already i pure water additive on the market(gg4)before vision was even invented.most of us didnt know about it though.

in use do you notice any difference between vision and gg4 ?as i know you ve used both darran.

cheers


dazmond

[Dave Willis]

I think people were playing about with home made additives for years , chucking ecover in the water, isopropanol, rinse aid etc. One guy on here even chucked some white spirit in his tank! (don't try that one).
I don't think any of them could possibly make a massive difference to cleaning speeds, same as hot water doesn't make a huge difference most of the time.
GG4 seems to give an edge to the result, not much but enough to add a bit of sparkle. Seems to thin the water down a bit on the glass. Titan Labs say it has an ingredient to combat calcium deposits, as I live in a hard water area I'm hoping it might break down the hose pipe spots and mineral deposits we get.
Vision seems to work differently from what I can gather as it would appear to change the viscosity of water and make it gloopy. Sounds like it might float to the top of the tank too as people report the bubbles increasing towards the end of the day.
I've never used vision, just what I've read on here and other forums. The guys that use it seem happy.

[Mick Kent]

Thats what im saying, using viakal it left a great shine and came up better than if i just used pure..alongside bubbles and a nice smell. Any kitchen limescale remover would do the same job as it eats through grime especialy mixed with approx 99 percent pure water leaving a spotless super finish.  Im not saying vision is a con, im just saying viakal worked the same.

[Clever Forum Name]

Thats what im saying, using viakal it left a great shine and came up better than if i just used pure..alongside bubbles and a nice smell. Any kitchen limescale remover would do the same job as it eats through grime especialy mixed with approx 99 percent pure water leaving a spotless super finish.  Im not saying vision is a con, im just saying viakal worked the same.

I have used Unger's Rub Out on a few jobs. Not come across hard water spots it cant remove. I apply with a rag and rub in. I let it "eat" for a good 5 mins. I then WFP off. The results are the same with Vision. Ie the same shine.

I think just pure water eventually leaves a clean but dull look. This vision is giving frames and glass that ZING look.

[kempy]

Vision leaves the frames brighter and gives them a shine .
The windows are very shiny too .

Be careful using various  products as some will penetrate your plastic water tank and damage window seals .
Vision doesn't damage any of the above .

Also many products in these sunny hotter days will dry too quickly and cause smearing etc .

Vision been used in Australia and that's a good test for drying out .
It is now sold over there

[Rich Wilts]

Be careful using various  products as some will penetrate your plastic water tank and damage window seals .
Vision doesn't damage any of the above .

If someone were to ask you to prove this/back it up with evidence what would that person be told? I mean you're making two statements there, one - that vision does not penetrate water tanks and two - other products penetrate water tanks.

Id like to see how it is you're able to make statements of that nature.

[bobplum]

can vision be used thru a hot water system

[Clever Forum Name]

Yep

[TomCrowther]

Where do you buy vision from. Usual wfp outlets?

[ben M]

my pure water  go through DI resin, can i use vision without damaging the resin?

Thanks

Ben

[HALTON]

Yep I clearly see a difference




Very old Georgian windows, flaky paint, ivy all round them, cleaned twice a year - not a spot or run in sight
Using gg4

Darran

hi
Darren what dosage do you use gg4 at and were do you buy yours any links please cheers

[Jonny 87]

my pure water  go through DI resin, can i use vision without damaging the resin?

Thanks

Ben

At the moment you can't use vision if you have a DI vessel after your tank. We are working on a solution though  and should be available soon.

[Rich Wilts]

Be careful using various  products as some will penetrate your plastic water tank and damage window seals .
Vision doesn't damage any of the above .

If someone were to ask you to prove this/back it up with evidence what would that person be told? I mean you're making two statements there, one - that vision does not penetrate water tanks and two - other products penetrate water tanks.

Id like to see how it is you're able to make statements of that nature.

[kempy]

Simples . One substance I used caused a problem with a storage tank I had .
Vision been tried and tested ..

[CleanClear]

Today i have been on a school builders clean and all the windows were covered in render dust and grime..
Pure alone wasnt cutting it so i bought some viacal limescale remover as needed something for the limescale marks which i sprayed on the glass before i poled which worked a treat and gave off a nice lemon smell. It bubbled an awful lot however when they dried out they dried perfectly!. Is vision the same sort of thing with its orange smell and bubbles??? If so then what a con!

The biggest con of all is that Pure water is great at cleaning. Apparently even purer water (PPB) is even better !!! :-)