[Window Lickers]

I upgraded this week one of our WFP pumps from an off the shelf 5.3 LPM to a 10 LPM provided by Vyair. Initially I had problems with it as the pressure switch seems to be faulty. So this morning I bypassed the pressure switch and worked with it on full-bore and BeJezus! it makes one hell of a difference to work.

Id say that Ive found a number of noticeable incidences that have affected my working life in a positive way. Initially changing from trad to WFP, then from trolley to van-mount then from van-mount to two man and on up to the current Grippa system we have. I would put upgrading to a 10LPM pump in the same bracket as those other changes.

It makes a cracking difference, windows really do take seconds to clean, literally. I would recommend it to anyone who has the capacity for the increased water required. Saying that, dont go thinking you use 600 litres an hour. The figures quoted by the manufacturers are at full pump potential, so with no resistance created by 100 metres of 6 or 8 mm hose and with no nozzles. In reality it was pushing out a fraction under 4.5 LPM at the brush-head, knocking about 60% off the quoted figures.

We also checked how much a 5.3 LPM pump was producing at the brush-head and this was 2 LPM.

So an improvement of twice the output at the brush-head, which is inline with the figures the manufacturers claim without resistance.

Vyair do a 10 LPM pump for just under £70.00, the same pretty much as a regular 5.3 LPM.

[Dave Willis]

about time too 
Good to know. I wonder how they upgrade the pump - bigger diaphragms or does it run faster?

[Window Lickers]

Its a bigger pump for starters.

Mine was running flat out its the only way, why bother on half a speed?

[Don Kee]

Do you use a controller then matt, or just use the pumps pressure switch with it flowing at full whack?

[Dave Willis]

are the mounting holes spaced differently to other pumps?

[Tom-01]

Thats good to know Matt, thanks for that.

How many litres does your tank hold? I've got a 650ltr and quite often now 2 guys nearly run out, we don't have the flow massively high.

[Window Lickers]

are the mounting holes spaced differently to other pumps?

Yes just the same. However the inlet and outlet tails protrude about 3/4" more than the basic pumps.

[Window Lickers]

Thats good to know Matt, thanks for that.

How many litres does your tank hold? I've got a 650ltr and quite often now 2 guys nearly run out, we don't have the flow massively high.

Ive got a 650 Grippa. We get through that on a day between the two of us usually, however we always run the pumps on max. Im thinking we might have to take a few barrels along with us, Ive got 8 or so out the back for a trolley I bought last year so can take them as well in addition to the tank of water.

[Phil J]

Hey Matt,
Are you rinsing on or off the glass?

[Window Lickers]

on.

[Steven Biggs]

I'm starting to work with a faster flow and flying . So which controller if at all are you  using with this pump .   Cheers barry

[gary999]

Bum licker if you are using a high flow rate if you have regular
monthly maintenance cleans unless some dirty bugger has
crapped on the glass why bother rinsing at all surely the flow
itself from scrubbing should be enough.

[Smudger]

Well done Matt, now if the theory is correct ( and I believe it is ) you should be using the same, maybe less water because you only need to be on the glass/window half the time to do the same area. Initially the trick will be to be brave enough to rinse for 5 to 10 seconds instead of 15 to 20

The only problem I forsee is first cleans and SFG cleaning where you may need to scrub an area longer than normal reg windows, this would eat into your water supply

Darran

[jonboywalton75]

I have always used Vyair 5 Ltr  pumps and have just upgraded  to a 650ltr tank,  maybe now is the time to go for a new 10 Ltr pm pump.
I would think that I am going to need some serious battery power though,  as I don't use a controller  and I would think that this setup would drain batteries PDQ.
The benefits sound worth it.
I could always put out some fires along the way if need be with all that water flowing,  ha ha

[slap bash]

U have been using the 7 liter min via air for 3 years and the 10 liter a minute for one year and also find its does clean better unfortunately the pressure switch does give in so my first one lasted 4 months. So get some spare ones Matt as they go with out warning. I have changed my pumps for easy access so I can drop in a new switch on the trot. My first 7 lit pump is still going strong after 3 years and two pressure switches. Were I have found more water makes a big difference is nearly flat roof connies the dirt just floats off. I have a few in monthly cleans and will be getting a Garden over spray to use on these connies. http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/The-New-OVERSPRAY.html
I have said so often heighter flow is the way to go.I believe we have been mislead by the water saving clan.
Want to increase work load put more water on the glass it works.

[jonboywalton75]

I have had failed pressure switches myself
Apparently the new Vyair pumps have a built in pressure switch which is more robust, according to the man on the phone at Vyair

[Ian101]

I upgraded this week one of our WFP pumps from an off the shelf 5.3 LPM to a 10 LPM provided by Vyair. Initially I had problems with it as the pressure switch seems to be faulty. So this morning I bypassed the pressure switch and worked with it on full-bore and BeJezus! it makes one hell of a difference to work.

Id say that Ive found a number of noticeable incidences that have affected my working life in a positive way. Initially changing from trad to WFP, then from trolley to van-mount then from van-mount to two man and on up to the current Grippa system we have. I would put upgrading to a 10LPM pump in the same bracket as those other changes.

It makes a cracking difference, windows really do take seconds to clean, literally. I would recommend it to anyone who has the capacity for the increased water required. Saying that, dont go thinking you use 600 litres an hour. The figures quoted by the manufacturers are at full pump potential, so with no resistance created by 100 metres of 6 or 8 mm hose and with no nozzles. In reality it was pushing out a fraction under 4.5 LPM at the brush-head, knocking about 60% off the quoted figures.

We also checked how much a 5.3 LPM pump was producing at the brush-head and this was 2 LPM.

So an improvement of twice the output at the brush-head, which is inline with the figures the manufacturers claim without resistance.

Vyair do a 10 LPM pump for just under £70.00, the same pretty much as a regular 5.3 LPM.

like what you say about noticeable differences ... Ive just discovered the joys of working with a high flow (- not measured the amount of water from brush yet -) has  made a huge difference to me in last 2 weeks and will make 2015 best year ever .. think because I started wfp with a trolley system I tended to be conservative with my flow settings but now working faster and using LESS water ... only taken 4 years to dawn on me 

Was only thinking today "are there more powerful pumps out there" ... your post has answered my question and as doing quite a few upgrades during the Christmas break this is hopefully going to be on the list of jobs to be done.

[Ian101]

http://www.vyair.com/scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=31

shame their website makes my head hurt 


did you know they do a 12 litre version as well 

[windowswashed]

U have been using the 7 liter min via air for 3 years and the 10 liter a minute for one year and also find its does clean better unfortunately the pressure switch does give in so my first one lasted 4 months. So get some spare ones Matt as they go with out warning. I have changed my pumps for easy access so I can drop in a new switch on the trot. My first 7 lit pump is still going strong after 3 years and two pressure switches. Were I have found more water makes a big difference is nearly flat roof connies the dirt just floats off. I have a few in monthly cleans and will be getting a Garden over spray to use on these connies. http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/The-New-OVERSPRAY.html
I have said so often heighter flow is the way to go.I believe we have been mislead by the water saving clan.
Want to increase work load put more water on the glass it works.

Tucker poles use to have the same overflow system as gardiners. I used it when I first started and was getting complaints that I was pulling the dirt down from above.....I was....so I stopped using it and only rinse from the jets or pencils from within the brush and mostly rinse brush on as it's just as quick or even quicker, especially on hydrophobic glass.

[Window Lickers]

Well done Matt, now if the theory is correct ( and I believe it is ) you should be using the same, maybe less water because you only need to be on the glass/window half the time to do the same area. Initially the trick will be to be brave enough to rinse for 5 to 10 seconds instead of 15 to 20

The only problem I forsee is first cleans and SFG cleaning where you may need to scrub an area longer than normal reg windows, this would eat into your water supply

Darran

Exactly!

Although I would say each pane was taking approx 3 seconds

There's no way we'd use this pump on full bore for FSG, you'd be out of water before breakfast