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davids3511

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Re: Lot of talk lately about rinsing
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2014, 06:57:04 pm »
Higher flow does make you quicker. I've had to up my flow to make my boiler kick in and rinsing is far faster.

DG Cleaning

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Re: Lot of talk lately about rinsing
« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2014, 07:11:10 pm »
i have a 400 tank, if i had my pump on full i would be out of water by lunch, dont understend how you can work with pump on full

or am i missing something ???
You must be, my shurflo is always on full I've got a 400L tank and I've never used more than 350L for a full day.

Smudger

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Re: Lot of talk lately about rinsing
« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2014, 09:46:14 pm »
Try this www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uuPft4tjLk

Good video, and he's spot on for pencil jet operatives, change to fan jets and you get none of those problems, as the horizontal spray does not push dirty water upwards, when the brush touches the edge of the window so does the water inside the brush head, higher flow eliminates that spotting half way down the window

So which one caused your spotting again ?

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

david mark

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Re: Lot of talk lately about rinsing
« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2014, 10:08:56 pm »
Splash and super dash

Window Lickers

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Re: Lot of talk lately about rinsing
« Reply #44 on: December 11, 2014, 11:20:07 pm »
Try this www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uuPft4tjLk

Good video, and he's spot on for pencil jet operatives, change to fan jets and you get none of those problems, as the horizontal spray does not push dirty water upwards, when the brush touches the edge of the window so does the water inside the brush head, higher flow eliminates that spotting half way down the window

So which one caused your spotting again ?

Darran

Spot on!
Liberace's ex looking to meet well built men for cottaging meets.

SeanK

Re: Lot of talk lately about rinsing
« Reply #45 on: December 12, 2014, 09:17:27 am »
Try this www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uuPft4tjLk

Good video, and he's spot on for pencil jet operatives, change to fan jets and you get none of those problems, as the horizontal spray does not push dirty water upwards, when the brush touches the edge of the window so does the water inside the brush head, higher flow eliminates that spotting half way down the window

So which one caused your spotting again ?

Darran

Please explain, are you saying that when rinsing with a high flow you just need to run it along the top of the window and
the high flow will do the rest ?
Are you saying that you only need to rinse half way down the window and the high flow will do the rest ?
Like most who come on here saying that a high flow makes you quicker you cant seem to explain why it makes you
quicker or why others who work with lower flows can be just as quick.
I'm not saying that there wont be certain jobs where a higher flow wont benefit you but for most everyday four to six weekly
cleans the small amount of dirt that accumulates on the windows is easily removed.
I personally think its nothing more than a comfort blanket to some.

Here's a suggestion for full flow users, clean your own property today and check the results, in four weeks time reduce your
flow by half but don't change anything else in the way you clean in other words don't take any longer and then check the results.
I guarantee that you wont find any difference in the quality of the clean.

Dave Willis

Re: Lot of talk lately about rinsing
« Reply #46 on: December 12, 2014, 04:42:51 pm »
I think Matts saying by rinsing with the brush on with a good flow of water he is saving the extra time of lifting the brush head and zig zagging down the glass. With a really good flow the water is cascading down the glass whilst you've already started the next window.

Smudger

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Re: Lot of talk lately about rinsing
« Reply #47 on: December 12, 2014, 04:43:34 pm »
I'm happy Sean to explain why higher flow is better, quicker and gives great results time and time again, and yes I've done tests and have experience of using low flows to know you are more likely to have spotting!

Firstly with fan jet you can keep ramping up the flow, why? Because water is forced out in an arc along the horizontal plain, unlike a pencil jet which mushroom on impact ( this is where it pushes dirt upwards ) with fan jets you get a curtain of water along the brush head, so you are cleaning and rincing a whole area with one movement and the brush requires less movement because the water inside is edge to edge, with pencils you to move the brush more ( as per your video ) to cover the glass, and more slowly, the slower the flow the slower the rince because to need to allow for the trickle of water and the tiny surface area it's covers time to actually make contact with the glass, likewise you need to zigzag down over the glass, with high flow you get a water curtain effect so you can for most windows rinse at the top then move on.
With fan jets you can rinse with brush on or off ( about 1") a tap, aquadaptor aquatap are all ideal add ons for quick on/off for water, rincing with pencils usually means holding the brush head 3 to 6 inches away from the glass, (less control)

Very early on I studied the 2 techniques - Jeff bramble the master of DIY and water saving and Peter fogwill who's autobrush lead the way with high flow WFP.

It became clear that those with low flow were doing so because they mainly needed to make the water last as they worked from backpacks and trolleys, they were prepared to work as close as they could to bare minimum boreline flow to save changing or refilling more often, with van mounts you can up the flow, water saving is not so high a priority as it once was.

On a personal level, I use high flow, but not full bore, there is a sweet spot (for me) where you can only cover so much glass without wasting water but the flow being such rinsing is almost instant.

Here are some examples for you - in pressure washing you can use 15 deg spray tips these give deeper clean but are slower because they cover a small area and stripe easily, 25 deg tip covers a larger area, work is done more quickly but is less intensive, now your using pencils and trying to ridicule the use of high flow when in truth you are using a jet more suitable for heavily soiled windows rather than maintenance work  ;)

If you have a patio with leaves on, try hosing it down with a single jet at low flow then with a higher flow on a fan setting as see which covers and cleans the fastest.

hope this helps
Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

SeanK

Re: Lot of talk lately about rinsing
« Reply #48 on: December 12, 2014, 05:08:11 pm »
Excellent reply Smudger, but one more question when you say high flow how many litres per minute
are you talking about ?
Definitely going to give fan jets a try.

Window Lickers

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Re: Lot of talk lately about rinsing
« Reply #49 on: December 12, 2014, 05:10:46 pm »
With a 10 LPM pump, 8mm hose and two fan jets its been coming out of the brush head at 4.5 litres per minute.
Liberace's ex looking to meet well built men for cottaging meets.

Ian101

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Re: Lot of talk lately about rinsing
« Reply #50 on: December 12, 2014, 05:17:51 pm »
i have a 400 tank, if i had my pump on full i would be out of water by lunch, dont understend how you can work with pump on full

or am i missing something ???

Perhaps you should try it one day and see what happens.

but id be out of water by lunch lol

Today I did 4 and a bit hours on the glass ... went out with 400 litres and came home with 150 litres.

No aquadapta.

Pump on 66 which from reel gives me dead on 2 litres per minute.  (80 gives me 2.5 litres a min)

Did total of 16 jobs

8 x 3 bed semis no connies
1 x 3 bed semi with conny
3 x 3 bed detached
1 x 4 bed detached (3 monthly clean  ::)roll ::)roll) LOTS of rinsing
1 x front only
1 x 4 bed with large conny
1 x 4 bed no conny


Try it you have nothing to loose and lots to gain  ;)



Pure Shine

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Re: Lot of talk lately about rinsing
« Reply #51 on: December 12, 2014, 05:26:15 pm »
So as a question how much money are u looking to generate on average on about 550 litres

Ian101

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Re: Lot of talk lately about rinsing
« Reply #52 on: December 12, 2014, 05:32:36 pm »
So as a question how much money are u looking to generate on average on about 550 litres

who me or forum in general ??

if its me then sorry never talk figures on here but I know what on average 100 litres will earn me.

Window Lickers

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Re: Lot of talk lately about rinsing
« Reply #53 on: December 12, 2014, 05:47:01 pm »
So as a question how much money are u looking to generate on average on about 550 litres

£300 - £350
Liberace's ex looking to meet well built men for cottaging meets.

duncan h

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Re: Lot of talk lately about rinsing
« Reply #54 on: December 12, 2014, 06:01:45 pm »
i have a 400 tank, if i had my pump on full i would be out of water by lunch, dont understend how you can work with pump on full

or am i missing something ???

Perhaps you should try it one day and see what happens.

but id be out of water by lunch lol

Today I did 4 and a bit hours on the glass ... went out with 400 litres and came home with 150 litres.

No aquadapta.

Pump on 66 which from reel gives me dead on 2 litres per minute.  (80 gives me 2.5 litres a min)

Did total of 16 jobs

8 x 3 bed semis no connies
1 x 3 bed semi with conny
3 x 3 bed detached
1 x 4 bed detached (3 monthly clean  ::)roll ::)roll) LOTS of rinsing
1 x front only
1 x 4 bed with large conny
1 x 4 bed no conny


Try it you have nothing to loose and lots to gain  ;)



About the same as me mate. Usually about 60 to 68. Every time I turn it on its different. My 250ltr tank will earn me about £200. Lasts me most of day normally 11am to 3 lmao

Smudger

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Re: Lot of talk lately about rinsing
« Reply #55 on: December 12, 2014, 08:04:35 pm »
Never done an exact measurement, setting have been more trial and testing where the flow is great enough but not excessive.

Digital controllers run at 75
Analogue controllers run at 7

Popping down tomorrow as one of the lads is servicing 2 of the vans so I'll do some tests

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Clever Forum Name

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Re: Lot of talk lately about rinsing
« Reply #56 on: December 12, 2014, 08:17:05 pm »
Never done an exact measurement, setting have been more trial and testing where the flow is great enough but not excessive.

Digital controllers run at 75
Analogue controllers run at 7

Popping down tomorrow as one of the lads is servicing 2 of the vans so I'll do some tests

Darran

I always get spotting get with fan jets Darran. What am I doing wrong. I use sill brush. Red fan jets. Quite a decent flow. Rinsing on the glass?

Smudger

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Re: Lot of talk lately about rinsing
« Reply #57 on: December 12, 2014, 08:28:07 pm »
Well, I have little faith in Alex's fan jets, for me they don't fan enough, too much of a compromise trying to please pencil jet users and fan jet users.

Never used a sill brush, so can't comment I use super light dual trim, rinse on the glass or lift off a few millimetres no more than 25mm (1 inch)

Blue lumark fans are good, but I use a black version that I sourced for around a £2 each and these are the bees knees, I'll get you a piccy tomorrow
(Sorry not a quid but 2)
Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

SeanK

Re: Lot of talk lately about rinsing
« Reply #58 on: December 12, 2014, 09:08:48 pm »
Smudger where do you buy them from, cheers.

Smudger

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Re: Lot of talk lately about rinsing
« Reply #59 on: December 12, 2014, 09:22:59 pm »
http://www.spraytips.co.uk/product/?pid=108788

You want the 12's. Not 02's

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience