[Denise l]

Try the Karcher hot floor steamer. Works like a dream and no chemicals.

[Tadgh O Shea]

Tadgh is correct. The problem is simply emulsified dirt in the grout joints and some dirt on the tiles.

My method although Tadgh disagrees is simple and it works. It will cost you less than £10 in mats provided you have a Mono Rotary, a soft to med brush and a decent wet vac. You don't need speed strip.

Pre wet the floor.
Apply Heavy Duty Tile and Grout Cleaner diluted 3:1
Allow to dwell then agitate with Mono rotary machine fitted with soft to medium brush and allow to dwell again
Agitate again
Extract with wet vac
rinse thoroughly
Extract again
Seal grout and go home

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics

  Hi Kevin, its not your method we both have different opinions on using harsh high alkaline based chemicals and i thought we were going to leave it at that. i have admitted Kevin that i used them for many years myself when eventually i realized how damaging they are from continuous use and decided to stop using them or promoting them, my point being there are safer solutions to solve these problems, i have never got into the details and explained what causes the damage from using harsh high alkaline based chemicals i think that information is clearly available from the manufacturers as they have to show clearly on their technical and safety data sheets, so they are there for everyone to see.
Again with todays advances in technology there are many safer alternatives.

[Kev Martin]

Tadgh

We are never going to agree so leave it at that!  I have already said from now on I will be offering a system that works on the same method as you advocate in future on my courses.  Then people can try both and make their own decision on which is best!  Job done!!

Kevin

[Tadgh O Shea]

Tadgh

We are never going to agree so leave it at that!  I have already said from now on I will be offering a system that works on the same method as you advocate in future on my courses.  Then people can try both and make their own decision on which is best!  Job done!!

Kevin

Hi Kevin, Just to let you know our method has taken over 20 years to develop as there are many different parts to it some of which are patent pending so i cant see how you are going to be able to promote our method on your courses.

[Kev Martin]

Tadgh

Colloid science was discovered over 150 years ago.  Aqua mix introduced NanoScrub to the Market nearly 15 years ago.  The method you use may well be in your opinion the best but you can only state that if you have tried every other cleaner and method on the market. 

I will rephrase my statement for you:

"I will be introducing a method similar to the one you advocate on our courses in future so that people can make an informed decision"  (In plain terms so that there is no ambiguity for you a method that relies on mechanical cleaning without the aid of Alkalines or Acids).

Kevin

[Tadgh O Shea]

Tadgh

Colloid science was discovered over 150 years ago.  Aqua mix introduced NanoScrub to the Market nearly 15 years ago.  The method you use may well be in your opinion the best but you can only state that if you have tried every other cleaner and method on the market.  

I will rephrase my statement for you:

"I will be introducing a method similar to the one you advocate on our courses in future so that people can make an informed decision"  (In plain terms so that there is no ambiguity for you a method that relies on mechanical cleaning without the aid of Alkalines or Acids).

Kevin

 Kevin, in fairness i never said or tried to maintain that our method was the best, just to clarify that.   Tadgh

[john martin]

  Couple of pics from my tile job ..
  Having no brush on my rotary meant serious back work with the grout brush !  but if i hadn't picked up a proper grout brush i might as well have gone home .

 Other things i learned ...  a long dwell time makes life easier .
 The multiwash is decent at picking up the slurry ... useless for grout agitation .
 A hardfloor wand i got from america is the single most useless thing i ever bought .
 

[gwrightson]

John,
Should have gone for tadgh method, much simpler/easier with decent results.

I was up in Gateshead last couple of days cleaning some carpets, happed to mention the floor tiles needed a clean in the lab/canteen/toilet areas, now as they have a royal visitor today a quick demo and they went ahead with the clean, an added bonus for myself.

[Kev Martin]

  Couple of pics from my tile job ..
  Having no brush on my rotary meant serious back work with the grout brush !  but if i hadn't picked up a proper grout brush i might as well have gone home .

 Other things i learned ...  a long dwell time makes life easier .
 The multiwash is decent at picking up the slurry ... useless for grout agitation .
 A hardfloor wand i got from america is the single most useless thing
i ever bought .

John

The important thing is you learned loads it is not a bad result and hopefully you got paid.

Kevin
 

[john martin]

John,
Should have gone for tadgh method, much simpler/easier with decent results.

I was up in Gateshead last couple of days cleaning some carpets, happed to mention the floor tiles needed a clean in the lab/canteen/toilet areas, now as they have a royal visitor today a quick demo and they went ahead with the clean, an added bonus for myself.

I had the same grout brush as Tadgh   
What difference would it made though  , i would still have to had scrubbed the grout lines . And i can see anything breaking down the dirt quicker than my speed stripper ?
How much would u guys charge generally for that area ? 

[Kev Martin]

John

How many M2 was it?

How long did it take you?

Kev

[john martin]

John

How many M2 was it?

How long did it take you?

Kev

Not sure  ,  what you see in the pic + about 4 meters back behind the camera . There is a green tile border on all of it . Took about four hours .

[Kev Martin]

John

Looks about 50M2 if the tiles are 12" x 12" 30 x 30

I would have charged around £10M2 for that!  and another £100 for sealing the grout

Kev

[john martin]

John

Looks about 50M2 if the tiles are 12" x 12" 30 x 30

I would have charged around £10M2 for that!  and another £100 for sealing the grout

Kev

Thanks for that , i didnt quote near that . I have a lot to learn about tile pricing also ! 

[Kev Martin]

John

Looks about 50M2 if the tiles are 12" x 12" 30 x 30

I would have charged around £10M2 for that!  and another £100 for sealing the grout

Kev

Thanks for that , i didnt quote near that . I have a lot to learn about tile pricing also ! 

John

The important thing is that you learned a lot!  You can't buy experience!  A rotary fitted with a soft to medium brush and some HDT&G Cleaner is the way forward!  Then the grout brush is only required for the stubborn bits.  The brush and the HDT&G does the work

Kevin

Kev

[Jamie Pearson]

 The multiwash is decent at picking up the slurry ... useless for grout agitation .

The blue brushes are a worthwhile investment for the multiwash.