[Tom White]

Ha. A press release from an HR firm? Really?

Perhaps there is an industry where it's feasible to let employees work whenever they like. Dunno what that is but it ain't window cleaning.

**SIGH**  Really?

Okay then, here's a gov.uk website:





https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/267634/bis-13-1275-zero-hours-employment-contracts-FINAL.pdf

Now go and stand in the corner and try not to stick any crayons up your nose.

[8weekly]

Ha. A press release from an HR firm? Really?

Perhaps there is an industry where it's feasible to let employees work whenever they like. Dunno what that is but it ain't window cleaning.

**SIGH**  Really?

Okay then, here's a gov.uk website:





https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/267634/bis-13-1275-zero-hours-employment-contracts-FINAL.pdf

Now go and stand in the corner and try not to stick any crayons up your nose.

Although in reality if the employee turns down the work they are unlikely to get offered more. The contract doesn't really give the employee any recourse in that case. You are both right. 

[Paul Coleman]

I would agree that there are probably a small minority of workers for whom zero hour contracts work well - though that would usualy be someone who isn't dependent upon having a regular income.
I think the worst example of such a contract was one of the airlines a few years ago who had many pilots on such contracts.  The stipulation that I believed was very wrong was the one that stated they could not work for another airline while under such a contract.  This thing should slice both ways.  If you can't promise people regular work then you can't complain when they top up their income elsewhere - a situation that may make them unavailable when you need them.

[PoleKing]

Bentley is just 1 but wearing aged 2+ clothes.
They're gonna be big lads. Certainly bigger than me.

Let's hope little Bentley grows into a huge strapping lad; it'll come in useful with a name like that.

Who the heck calls their kid Bentley?     Me...(sometimes you should use your tiddly brain Toshimoto)

He will.

It's funny, everyone seems to like to tell me their opinion on the car I drive, the money I make, the house, the kids, my faith. I wonder why...(rhetorical Tosh, don't bother...)

[Tom White]

Bentley is just 1 but wearing aged 2+ clothes.
They're gonna be big lads. Certainly bigger than me.

Let's hope little Bentley grows into a huge strapping lad; it'll come in useful with a name like that.

Who the heck calls their kid Bentley?     Me...(sometimes you should use your tiddly brain Toshimoto)

He will.

It's funny, everyone seems to like to tell me their opinion on the car I drive, the money I make, the house, the kids, my faith. I wonder why...(rhetorical Tosh, don't bother...)

Mine was a rhetorical question too.

[PoleKing]

Bentley is just 1 but wearing aged 2+ clothes.
They're gonna be big lads. Certainly bigger than me.

Let's hope little Bentley grows into a huge strapping lad; it'll come in useful with a name like that.

Who the heck calls their kid Bentley?     Me...(sometimes you should use your tiddly brain Toshimoto)

He will.

It's funny, everyone seems to like to tell me their opinion on the car I drive, the money I make, the house, the kids, my faith. I wonder why...(rhetorical Tosh, don't bother...)

Mine was a rhetorical question too.

So you did...

[alfie11]

Bentley is just 1 but wearing aged 2+ clothes.
They're gonna be big lads. Certainly bigger than me.

Let's hope little Bentley grows into a huge strapping lad; it'll come in useful with a name like that.

Who the heck calls their kid Bentley?   

Bentley is an old English name that became more popular in Victorian times after dickens character Bentley Drummle in great expectations

Why do you need to be so judgmental and ignorant to a mans choice of name for his son....If you don't like it can you not keep your negative opinions to yourself

[Tom White]

Why do you need to be so judgmental and ignorant to a mans choice of name for his son....If you don't like it can you not keep your negative opinions to yourself

Ah, you're being judgemental now.  I was just winding up Poleking; fishing for a bite.  I don't really care if he calls his kids Chardonay 'n' stuff.

[Soupy]

Ha. You are a silly boy.

Phone conversation:

Employer: hi I need you in to work tomorrow.
0 hour employee: I can't I'm busy.
Employer: well, you can &%£+% you %f#?/£ little &%£&j?&.

Click.

[Tom White]

Ha. You are a silly boy.

Phone conversation:

Employer: hi I need you in to work tomorrow.
0 hour employee: I can't I'm busy.
Employer: well, you can &%£+% you %f#?/£ little &%£&j?&.

Click.

It's no good calling me silly, I just provided the information from gov.uk.  You're the one that thinks zero hour contracts are something else.

As with any contract there needs to be some kind of symbiotic relationship, otherwise they'll fail.  If an employer messes around an employee it'll fail and if an employee messes around the employer, it'll fail.

[J.D]

Spot on Tosh.....

[Soupy]

Howsthat? The information you provided clearly states that there is no legal definition of a zero hour contract. As 100% of all zero hour contracts will be written by or for the employer there won't be any that say the employee can work when they like. Certainly not in the window cleaning industry.

[Tom White]

Howsthat? The information you provided clearly states that there is no legal definition of a zero hour contract. As 100% of all zero hour contracts will be written by or for the employer there won't be any that say the employee can work when they like. Certainly not in the window cleaning industry.

Then they won't be zero hour contracts, they'll be something else.

From gov.uk:



Don't shoot me, matey, I'm just providing the information.

[Tom White]

Phone conversation:

Employer: hi I need you in to work tomorrow.
0 hour employee: I can't I'm busy.
Employer: well, you can &%£+% you %f#?/£ little &%£&j?&.

Click.

Next phone call:

"Hello, is this the CAB?  Yes, thank you, I've just been unfairly dismissed by my employer and I want compensation."

[Soupy]

How long have you worked there?

Less than 2 years?

Click.

[Tom White]

How long have you worked there?

Less than 2 years?

Click.

Keep chucking in them red herrings, matey. 

Or you could just admit that you don't really know what you're talking about?

[Soupy]

Anyway, why would you dismiss someone on a zero hour contract? No need really, if you think about it...

[Tom White]

Anyway, why would you dismiss someone on a zero hour contract? No need really, if you think about it...

Yes, but I gave a scenario based on the scenario you provided.  As I said earlier, there has to be some symbiotic relationship in any contract otherwise it's going to fail.

[Soupy]

Don't get me wrong I ain't no leftie, I think zero hour contracts are perfectly workable for a motivated employee. To suggest that there is "no obligation" for an employee on a zero hour contract to accept work is a bit naive.

[Tom White]

To suggest that there is "no obligation" for an employee on a zero hour contract to accept work is a bit naive.

I'm not suggesting it, I'm saying the government says just that:



Notice the 'individual is not obliged to accept any work offered' bit.  What is it about that, that you can't understand?  

Yeh, the employer may not offer any further work, but the employee is not under any obligation.  If a contract of employment would differ significantly from this, then it wouldn't be a zero hour contract as it's understood in it's general term.  

It would be something different.

Comprende?