[Jonny 87]

This forum really makes me laugh, because a company crash test a vehicle you all jump on the band wagon and think your all engineers and want to say this and that won't work and you can't do this. Well let me tell you something it's a made to measure tank at just less than 500, that weighs less than a wydale, its in a frame, it has all the equipment in the vehicle to do the job, I only run vehicles as single operators and its on its max payload. What's wrong with that?

I didn't just think oh a nemo will do I have looked into it and tried it all before I got them! Like before when I was running t220 connects with 650 tanks.

My vehicles go to the weigh bridge and get weighed, recorded and the certificate goes into the van. I've been doing this long enough and have enough staff to know what I'm doing by know.

So you will know that when a vehicle gets weighed on the certificate it gives you a gross weight and front and rear axle weights.

Care to share what your "certificate" says regards your axle weights?

 

I have a DIY system btw and so in no way do I think you need a crash tested system.

I just know for myself I had a vw caddy with 700 kg payload and with 400 litres of water I was bang on my limits. (Some days over) and thats why I changed to a hiace with 1100 kg payload. I just don't see how you can claim to be legal with what your saying.

Everyone is entitled to do whatever they want, I just don't think you should be giving people false ideas of how much water they can legally carry in their van.

[easy clean]

I've weighed it with all the equipment in and like I said its on its limit. All my vans have in them are tanks, frame, hose reel and a pole. They carry nothing else. No the certificate only gives a gvw and not axle weights. I have a flat tank in them that is fitted as close to the bulkhead as possible in order to try and spread the weight.

May I ask if you exceed your plated axle loads?

[Jonny 87]

I've weighed it with all the equipment in and like I said its on its limit. All my vans have in them are tanks, frame, hose reel and a pole. They carry nothing else. No the certificate only gives a gvw and not axle weights. I have a flat tank in them that is fitted as close to the bulkhead as possible in order to try and spread the weight.

May I ask if you exceed your plated axle loads?

Nope.

But there was less than 50 kilos in it. And sometimes I would carry with me extra barrels of water which would have taken me over the limit.

If you've had it weighed and you know what you can and can't carry then you've nothing to worry about.

One thing is though that generally you have more weight on the front axel, the vans engine and driver. So if anything your front axle might be touch and go by the sounds of it.

The weigh bridge in my area gives total and front/rear axle. Might be worth finding one that does that on your area. Just belt and braces.

[Mick Kent]

Im always over the limit at the begining of the day as are prob most on here and just not saying! I have a 400 litre system in a kangoo (600 payload i believe) a 400 litre system in a belingo(600 payload)and a 650 and carpet cleaning machine in an expert (900 payload) which all when take off in the morning id guess were slightly overloaded but after 5/10 jobs it all evens out.

[Pete Thompson]

Im always over the limit at the begining of the day as are prob most on here and just not saying!

Speak for yourself!

When I bought my van (VW Caddy), payload was one of the first considerations.  I knew I wanted a 400 litre system, and my van has 819kg payload.

400 kg for the water
100 kg for the system
40 kg for other equip
50 kg for a full tank of fuel
100kg each for driver & passenger = 200kg

That's 790kg so a little bit of extra spare in case I need to carry anything else.

Ionics who installed it said they would never put a system in any van if it would exceed the payload weight when full, after taking into account all of the extras.

[herbiefatboy]

I suppose I could use a trolley system

[AuRavelling79]

Easyclean - you said you put a 650 in and filled it up. You are breaking the law plain and simple.

[Afterglow Window Cleaners]

I suppose I could use a trolley system

I have a bippa and use 25ltr drums and a backpack, works well for me with 10x drums on the van at all times.

Its also easy to use another vehicle with the drums and backpack. Never wear the backpack, just carry it around.

[Frankybadboy]

well nick you should be ashamed off your self  unbelievable that you know your over weight yet don't mined breaking the law.


easy clean you don't get a certificate  you get a print out.also you say your within the limit what was your total weight.
and as I said just cause your under weight doesn't mean you cant be over  weight on a axle.


not one of the suppliers have ever put there system and vans on a weighbridge simply they would then be admitting liability.
you as the driver are total responsible for the loading of your van.once again it no defence in court saying the supplier said its ok.so I thought I was ok.

seen a van the other week fitted out with a 1000ltr tank  by a well know supplier off system and I will tell you that van would be over weight when fully loaded up.

stay away from vosa I will advise you as it will and can open the flood gate to all sorts off other things.

I Spent 3 months in a transports office running around for vosa at there click of the finger and this was on top of trying to do my job.we had a office put aside for there team of workers and they went though 4 years worth of documents/techos invoices the lot.so don't try and be a clever dick

[dazmond]

I'm in the process of fitting out 2 nemos, which are the same as the bipper. I'm putting a 500 tank in both. They are single man vans and all the carry is tank, hose reel and poles. Yes admittedly it will be maxed out at the start of every day and then get lighter but that's the exact reason why I have chosen to lease the vehicles for the amount of strain on them over 3 years. Just to let you know when I borrowed one for a couple of days we squeezed a 650 tank in and filled it up. It never looked like it was overloaded although it was and it pulled very well for a 1.3. Must say was impressed with the torque of the engine.

bonkers!!!

well overweight whatever you say mate

[easy clean]

How stupid are you guys, I've had it on a council weigh bridge and got the PAPER work (sorry not certificate) and by the way it wasnt a print out its written by hand. I know with what I have in it it isn't overweight do how can you all say it is when I have the proof and peace of kind knowing it isn't.

Is this the new thing now a load of window cleaners talking about axle weights now? This will be just as boring as steel tank frames against ratchet straps!!!!!

[easy clean]

Granville, the purpose too putting the 650 in and filling it was to see how low the van looked and to see how well that engine would pull that amount of weight. We the drove it on private land where my industrial unit is on.

Somehow mate that ain't breaking the law, but when you drive at 40 in a 30 or 80 on a motorway, that my friend is .....can you say you haven't done that?

[easy clean]

All I can say is there must be something good on the tv or everyone's had an early night.....there's no way people think you know what he probably is right if he's been and had it weighed! Not on this forum full of moaning old woman!!!!!

[Jonny 87]

It's just hard to believe with the figures your giving that it is legal that's all.

It's a public forum mate so people are going to voice there opinions.

[easy clean]

That's fine, but I'm the one with the proof and all the ones that say no it can't shouldn't comment if its just an opinion. I stated what I was carrying and that it wasnt over weight, just wish I had a van at my house with the paper work in so you could all see it.

[Clever Forum Name]

Who cares. As long as I ain't driving it

[Simon Mess]

That's fine, but I'm the one with the proof and all the ones that say no it can't shouldn't comment if its just an opinion. I stated what I was carrying and that it wasnt over weight, just wish I had a van at my house with the paper work in so you could all see it.

My van, which i mentioned earlier is a transit connect 230, which has a 900kg payload, 75kg more than a 220.
My 500l tank put me within 40kg of my gvw, on a weighbridge.
1 man setup, wfp only, and no weighty leisure battery (wired directly to the van battery).
Just me, my tank, the frame, a pump, a hose reel, a di vessel, and a box of bits and pieces.............

But hey ho

[easy clean]

You wanna lay off the pies then mate

[Frankybadboy]

Is this the new thing now a load of window cleaners talking about axle weights now? This will be just as boring as steel tank frames against ratchet straps!!!!!

nope been telling guys for years a bout it mate,and why cause in my pervious year I got fine for being over weight on a axle on a then 38 ton truck,and yes I went to court and guess what I got fine £500 and why cause the forklift driver said,and was lucky not to lose my HGV licence

and then moving into traffic office management and driver training and having to deal with vosa I think I know what I am talking about.

[AuRavelling79]

Granville, the purpose too putting the 650 in and filling it was to see how low the van looked and to see how well that engine would pull that amount of weight. We the drove it on private land where my industrial unit is on.

Somehow mate that ain't breaking the law, but when you drive at 40 in a 30 or 80 on a motorway, that my friend is .....can you say you haven't done that?

Sounds like you have fired an arrow into the barn door and now you're painting a target around it ...