[Steven White]

I got a job in a nightclub (£25 once a week) to clean a VIP lounge’s windows that is above a dance floor and mixing desk. It’s about 8 plate glass windows about 7ft high by 5ft wide. The initial clean was on a ladder which is really tricky with only a small lip above the windows to rest the ladder, all the obstacles at ground level and trying to blade through the rungs. The walls are black and lighting soft flourecent. Blade the lounge side in about 10 mins – perfect. Bought a dragonfly internal WFP for £600 (the job will pay for it in 6 months. Looks great. But now turn on the spot lights and dance lights, disaster. The dragonflyed side is smeared to buggery. I try to put on a minimum of water so the microfyber cloth (which is to big for the plate) is dampish and not wet. I’ve experimented putting more water on and less, but it’s still the same. I have to do the downright dangerous blade on a ladder because they are never any good. It’ looks like someone has put milky water on them. They are atrocious.

What do I do? Was the dragonfly a waste of money or am I doing something wrong?

[Clever Forum Name]

I cant help but so far that is the best topic title i have seen lol

[8weekly]

I never understand why people take on jobs like this. I just say sorry, too complicated.

[Clever Forum Name]

Gonna go look at all the nightclubs now and steal the job mohahaha

Where do you mainly clean Bedford?

don't know the name

[Paul Coleman]

  I try to put on a minimum of water so the microfyber cloth (which is to big for the plate) is dampish and not wet. I’ve experimented putting more water on and less, but it’s still the same.

Aren't you using those pads then?  If not, try using the pads.  Use a few if necessary so that you are always using quite clean ones.  Use minimal water.  That's how I've found it anyway.
Also, it's possible that such glass in a club will be the laminated type.  That top surface may cause the issue.

[PoleKing]

In short. The dragonfly isn't good enough for this kind of work IMHO.
Used at (say) 30ft, the results are ok if you're 30ft away.
In the club environment, heat rising and all, it's never going to be good enough.
What's to stop you tradding on an extension?

As been said, I'd walk away for £25 though, sorry.

[SeanK]

Very hard to get a smear free finish using a Dragonfly the mop needs to by as dry as possible.
Don't mist the whole glass just a few spots here and there.
Then go over it again with a dry mop.

[Richard ham]

Replace the pure water with something like brite window cleaner.

[bobplum]

I got a job in a nightclub (£25 once a week) to clean a VIP lounge’s windows that is above a dance floor and mixing desk. It’s about 8 plate glass windows about 7ft high by 5ft wide. The initial clean was on a ladder which is really tricky with only a small lip above the windows to rest the ladder, all the obstacles at ground level and trying to blade through the rungs. The walls are black and lighting soft flourecent. Blade the lounge side in about 10 mins – perfect. Bought a dragonfly internal WFP for £600 (the job will pay for it in 6 months. Looks great. But now turn on the spot lights and dance lights, disaster. The dragonflyed side is smeared to buggery. I try to put on a minimum of water so the microfyber cloth (which is to big for the plate) is dampish and not wet. I’ve experimented putting more water on and less, but it’s still the same. I have to do the downright dangerous blade on a ladder because they are never any good. It’ looks like someone has put milky water on them. They are atrocious.

What do I do? Was the dragonfly a waste of money or am I doing something wrong?

use a karcher

[craig21t]

Are they greasy? Try using some isopropanol in with the pure water. We fit it helps greatly with the cutting through grease/dirt.

[trevor perry]

sometimes a ladder is just the best way, if they dont like you using a ladder then they will have to accept the results you are getting. Now i am going to duck behind my desk and wait for the abuse

[Smudger]

Pure water and these pads are not good enough for this job,
Your really looking at least a triple clean for the first time.

I'd use an applicator with strong solution of g101 or vinegar using a pole, then blade off.  Finally use dragonfly, but with vinegar solution, and your looking at 2 pads per piece of glass and to be 100% you could finally "wipe over" with a clean damp pad

The next clean May then require just wet pad with vinegar and  a "wipe over" with perfectly clean pad ( you'll still need 3 per window )

Personally I think you a way low on price.

Darran

[Smudger]

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[ben M]

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[Tadgh O Shea]

Hi Steven, i have been cleaning windows for over 30 years and there is a simple solution to your problem, yes unfortunately you did spend to much money, all you need for this weekly job are 1 x  telescopic mop handle with 30cm aluminum mop frame and two little waffle glass cloths total cost 29 euro. use one little waffle glass cloth damp with water to clean the glass the 30cm aluminum frame is shaped to clean right into corners and edges, then take off the damp cloth and stick on a dry little waffle glass cloth which sticks onto the velcro strips on the aluminum mop frame to polish off for a perfect streak free finish. thats it simple and guaranteed they will want you back every week, also no splashes and no mess with this concept.

[rosskesava]

Mr Tadgh O Shae

My Uncle has a farm in Wales and he has problems with a bull. It continuously deficates every where.

Does your product remove repeated bullsh*t?

[Tadgh O Shea]

So many people swear by this concept, but its a fact you can talk about a product all you want and a person might try it but if you demonstrate it they will buy it, i have yet failed to make a sale to any window cleaner that is open and receptive to new ideas after showing them this new simple concept in cleaning glass, but as you know some people are not open and receptive to new ideas.

[Steven White]

Thanks for all your suggestions, I'm going to experiment with them all. I was considering putting something in the water like meths, but I'll check out what you say. Because it's above a dance floor, sometimes there is sweat literally running down the windows. And getting the ladders out over the mixing desk at one side and fixed table at the other every time is just not a option for the job to be viable. Particularly as you can't park anywhere nearby and have to walk with the equipment. Bedford has a rule you can park with your hoses out and they can see you cleaning they won't ticket you. They got a window cleaner in the first place because the kids who clean the club, one fell off the ladder trying to clean them. I think a grease busting addition to the pure water, then drying off with a dry pad is my next port of call. The dry [ad cleaning is very hard as you have to stand a long way out to clear the lip at the bottom as the glass is inset 6-10 inches and the dry clean the pad sticks to the glass and is hard to push up it when dry.

[mike1986]

Have you tried one of those wagtail flipper things on a pole?

[robertphil]

stick with the ladders ,you know you are getting excellent  results