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dannymack

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Re: Those who are vat
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2013, 05:42:49 pm »
AJ can you go on flat rate if your on cash accounting & Ltd Company, you were right about flare rate Crystal 😀I do claim a fair bit on fuel & the lease van every month plus other stuff which I wouldn't be able to AJ so not sure if I would benefit it ?

AJ

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Re: Those who are vat
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2013, 05:49:49 pm »
Id speak to your accountant about it, as each company is individual.

Unless your turnover says you have to or you are trying to target larger commercials, who prefer vat regd companies, its not really worth it, you may earn a little out of it but nothing major.

dannymack

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Re: Those who are vat
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2013, 05:53:28 pm »
Just looked onto . Gov thanks for posting it thru Dominic, g looks like alot of hassle as my wife does all the vat and my accountant does our Books. Mind you saying that we went ltd in October last year 2012 and we take a wage each and have to do our tax deducts on line so don't know what he will be doing ? My son is self employed so he needs my accountant as we pay him monthly and accountant sorts him out  

dannymack

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Re: Those who are vat
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2013, 06:00:50 pm »
Thanks for you info to AJ yes don't think it would be worth it I may be slightly better off some months and some months not depends what we claim back. When I first started I had to volunteer to go vat as I did alot of Commercial and they wanted me to be vat, but we've built up the company and would have had to go vat as we passed the vat fresh hold.

Crystal-clear

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Re: Those who are vat
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2013, 09:49:18 pm »
Thanks for you info to AJ yes don't think it would be worth it I may be slightly better off some months and some months not depends what we claim back. When I first started I had to volunteer to go vat as I did alot of Commercial and they wanted me to be vat, but we've built up the company and would have had to go vat as we passed the vat fresh hold.

Well done AJ bit of topic how did you gain so much commercial

dannymack

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Re: Those who are vat
« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2013, 10:34:04 am »
Crystal did your dad John use to have this company as I new the fella John & Dave but Dave died many years ago !!! If it is the Crystal clear I knew I use to help them out when they rented apart of an office in Actuals removal & window cleaning company I use to work for !!!!

Crystal-clear

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Re: Those who are vat
« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2013, 01:08:09 pm »
Crystal did your dad John use to have this company as I new the fella John & Dave but Dave died many years ago !!! If it is the Crystal clear I knew I use to help them out when they rented apart of an office in Actuals removal & window cleaning company I use to work for !!!!

No mate I'm just a sole trader ;Dcrystal clear is quite a popular trading name a couple of others similar on the forum!

stephen d

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Re: Those who are vat
« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2013, 02:22:13 pm »
I have been on the flat rate for several years now and it just makes it nice and simple at the end of the quarter to just total up all income (domestic & commercial ) and pay 12% to hmrc. £25000 income £3000 vat bill.
You will have to confirm this with an accountant but if you make any large purchases  - van for example (over £2000 I think) you can still claim the vat back on these large purchases & deduct it from your vat bill in the following quarter.

Total shine cleaning services

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Re: Those who are vat
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2013, 09:07:22 am »
I've seen a few comments lately on how to stay under vat, and splitting your business concerns is a dodgy area.


Some necessary lecturing first: Under VAT rules, the obligation to register is with the person and not with the business. That means in practice that where a person operates more than one business, they all fall within the same VAT registration, regardless of how minor or distinct those businesses may be.
The following is useful guidance when a single business is split into more than one businesses - each one owned by different persons (e.g. each business is run by a different spouse). Usually people do that to avoid having to register for VAT (e.g. because turnover from each separate business activity is below the VAT registration threshold). Or, for purely commercial reasons, e.g. when the business sells to unregistered customers who cannot reclaim VAT.
As you may have guessed, the VAT-man doesn’t like that and they have given themselves the powers to stop it. The VAT-man is more likely to succeed if the persons carrying out those business activities, in the words of the vatman have “close financial, economic and organizational links”. Read my lips: To avoid being caught, the business owners need to prove that the reason for the disaggregation is commercial considerations and not vat avoidance.
Here are some examples, resulting from court cases down the years, where a number of persons carrying out separate business activities have been treated as one person for VAT purposes and required to register for VAT as a single person:
One person is the “controlling mind” of all business activities.
No involvement in each other’s business.
No financial inter-dependence of any sort between the two businesses.
Any finance to buy a business comes from the owner and not from the owner of the other business.
Each party must have their own business insurance.
Each party must have their own, independently charged, overheads (rent, rates, utility bills).
The public’s perception of the business must be of two different businesses.
The different entities do not use the same equipment.
The existence of separate bank accounts and accounting records.
The reason for keeping the businesses separate is a commercial one and not because of tax avoidance.
Pretty inconsistent and conflicting the court decisions have been though, so one cannot be always sure that any steps are tax-proof. Where the VAT-man directs that the all persons be treated as carrying on a single business, such direction cannot be retrospective (this could be useful to avoid VAT registration for a while until HMTC spots the arrangement). Having said that, please bear in mind that they also have powers to order registration for day one if they can show (!) that the businesses were in fact never separate!


 Graham