[mark dew]

Phil did not tell me not to climb two rungs at a time I told him it was difficult to climb one rung at a time in order to get the certificate when I am used to climbing two at a time

And you're looking for a debate on health and safety?  

Anyway regardless of this buffoonery, there is no benefit to Andrew willis in participating in a HS debate on here. He's getting knocked from all sides from seizing an opportunity from the government and sticking up for his business.

People should stop getting hung up on the wfp cordon. It was funny at 1st and easy to argue against because we normally do it safer by picking times and getting away as quick as possible.

I like the debates, they are healthy and the anti willis camp have made some points that  made me think.
But it's too personal and gossipy without all the facts.
Common sense seems to fly out of the window in the eagerness to try and trip teacher up.

I think the point is trevor has never had an accident and is therefore very safe. 

[robertphil]

im still wondering what "43"  stands for in impact 43 .  was the main man 43 when he had this idea  or was his house number 43    or did he have an impact in his car on the A43

[DaveG]

Could be it stands for "For Free" .... "4  3 "  ??

Impact £1300 hasn't got the same ring to it tho.....

[robertphil]

did he do well out of it? cmon Dave show us your trappings of wealth .  that Porsche/Chevy Camino you always promised yourself ,upload the foto for us, stand proud and loud 

 iv always envied folk who run a training school , uv made it when you can say your a teacher

[PAUL ERITH]

I found the impact course very good and gave me a better understanding of H&S plus i got to meet some nice knowledgeable guys.

As for safe clean who cares what they are doing i don't think they were bought out by washforce as if you do a simple search they are joint founders of washforce.

Washforce (UK) Limited was set up on 30 Apr 2013 in Lincolnshire. Its current status is listed as "Live"and it currently has 3 directors. It was founded by Mr Paul Wilkinson, Mr David Andrew Willis, Mr Michael Lee Willis. Washforce (UK) Limited has no subsidiaries.

https://www.duedil.com/company/08509565/washforce-uk-limited

This thread is just turning into another boring impact43 and safeclean bashing

[trevor perry]

Phil did not tell me not to climb two rungs at a time I told him it was difficult to climb one rung at a time in order to get the certificate when I am used to climbing two at a time

And you're looking for a debate on health and safety?  

Anyway regardless of this buffoonery, there is no benefit to Andrew willis in participating in a HS debate on here. He's getting knocked from all sides from seizing an opportunity from the government and sticking up for his business.

People should stop getting hung up on the wfp cordon. It was funny at 1st and easy to argue against because we normally do it safer by picking times and getting away as quick as possible.

I like the debates, they are healthy and the anti willis camp have made some points that  made me think.
But it's too personal and gossipy without all the facts.
Common sense seems to fly out of the window in the eagerness to try and trip teacher up.

I think the point is trevor has never had an accident and is therefore very safe. 

 apart from qualifying for a certificate why would you consider climbing a ladder two rungs at a time more dangerous than climbing one rung at a time, if you have short legs and a short stride then yes you may be over stretching to climb two rungs at a time but I am 6ft 3 with long legs so two rungs at a time is no long stretch, Also most ladders today have 10 inch gaps between rungs but many of the old window cleaning ladders had 12 inch gaps did this make them more dangerous no it didn't in it just became habbit as to what you got used too.

[trevor perry]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1ioz21VqYk

This is how its done, I would call it someone skillfull at their job

[Andrew Willis]

Could be it stands for "For Free" .... "4  3 "  ??

Impact £1300 hasn't got the same ring to it tho.....

 

[Andrew Willis]

no Andrew I have not committed to these courses as yet , will you post the picture that I mentioned in my post to get other peoples opinions on whether a cherrypicker would be the best option for the job mentioned It would be interesting to get other forum members views

Trevor take your IOSH Managing safely then NEBOSH general certificate and I will provide the photo's, I will also offer to attend the NEBOSH course date and offer my time up for what ever group you are in to discus that case. After you have done that If you still feel the need to put photos on Clean It Up I will see if I can get permission from the client to put them on the forum
 
There is a new Facebook group set up to challenge the FWC committee, to get a new committee, challenge for change and one of the items I would put forward and to be addressed is the safe use of water fed pole and what controls are required, legal status, Not my view but that of a QC and judge, then to get the FWC or new trade association to produce a new guidance document.

www.facebook.com/groups/fwc.sos/  

 Andrew on the course you stated that you thought I was stuck in my ways and a bit unwilling to except other peoples views, well here is a chance to get other peoples views on how best to clean these windows why are you so unwilling to show the picture, a good trade association takes its members views on best work practices seriously and does not dictate the personal opinions of one member which I feel you tend to do.
  Your opinions on flat roof access are different than what the FWC advise and you obviously do not see things the way they and i do and yet again you seem adamant to push the issue of cordoning off when using water fed poles even though you cannot produce any evidence of a major accident taking place without these precautions. By your last post you have an agenda to set up a new committee on the FWC is this really needed or would it not be more beneficial to work with the committee already in place and get members views on what constitutes safe working practices.
  

Trevor, join the group and read my posts, If I wanted to set up a new trade association I would have and would not be wasting my time trying to get the current to change, this group is about forcing the current to change.

I will ask the FWC to get a clear legal status on the following, this should come from a QC and a Judge

Flat roof access from a ladder
Waterfed pole safety controls  

Thats me done on this issue

RE Photos I'll load them when you have completed your IOSH and NEBOSH certificate

Regards


Andy

 Andrew you claim you are always willing for open discussion then you refuse to post a photo you give guidance on  in your course for members on this forum to discuss, saying you will do this after I have passed a IOSH and NEBOSH course is just childish and basically find it insulting that you feel I am not intelligent enough to discuss the matter without these certificates. You are very quick to point out flows in peoples working practice regarding WFP yet you yourself admit that you have no working experience with this equipment so why should we take your recommendations on safe working practice.
  In earlier posts I pointed out shortcomings of your training course ie is it good practice to offer a safe use of ladder certificate to a candidate that only climbs small ladder once in deal conditions, or using a fake photoshopped  accident as an experience model on your course, are you going to address these issues before tackling others working practices.
  I feel I have covered all the points I need to raise on this issue and will oppose any cordoning off restrictions you plan to implement by law unless you can produce legitimate accident statistics that show a need for the change.
  
 

I'll get them up over the weekend, You can Google the area its Tally Ho London

Trevor you know the photo shop lorry in water is only an example of planning, come on Its an example of what the owners of that area could achieve if they had installed post to stop cars going in to the water in the first place.

On the day only two out of the group wanted the ladder training certification, that young lad was not included, I think phil gave a good course on the day.  Concerning safety controls you put in place when working, Thats the point you make the choices when working not me,

If you are an honest man how much do I want to challenge safety legislation, cut crap and get a clear position on how to comply. Anyone on her would think I am safety mad, The fact is for most who attend they know how much safety law gets my back up.

I am going to load the photos on the weekend will be happy to make some posts.

[Andrew Willis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1ioz21VqYk

This is how its done, I would call it someone skillfull at their job

Certificate that man 

[Andrew Willis]

I found the impact course very good and gave me a better understanding of H&S plus i got to meet some nice knowledgeable guys.

As for safe clean who cares what they are doing i don't think they were bought out by washforce as if you do a simple search they are joint founders of washforce.

Washforce (UK) Limited was set up on 30 Apr 2013 in Lincolnshire. Its current status is listed as "Live"and it currently has 3 directors. It was founded by Mr Paul Wilkinson, Mr David Andrew Willis, Mr Michael Lee Willis. Washforce (UK) Limited has no subsidiaries.

https://www.duedil.com/company/08509565/washforce-uk-limited

This thread is just turning into another boring impact43 and safeclean bashing

 

[windiewasher]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1ioz21VqYk

This is how its done, I would call it someone skillfull at their job

Certificate that man 

Make sure you get £1300 first 

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAG5_fTAffo

[mark dew]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1ioz21VqYk

This is how its done, I would call it someone skillfull at their job

haha, yeah all he needed was a squeegee.

However, from a laymans perspective I would say going up 2 steps instead of 1 is dangerous on the basis of there being a hazard between the 2 steps.
ie the step being missed out. 

On another friendly note  I hope your pl insurance doesn't increase because of someone reading that joke. 

I know you were joking about the 2 step thing really, You had me going for a while though.

[trevor perry]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1ioz21VqYk

This is how its done, I would call it someone skillfull at their job

haha, yeah all he needed was a squeegee.

However, from a laymans perspective I would say going up 2 steps instead of 1 is dangerous on the basis of there being a hazard between the 2 steps.
ie the step being missed out. 

On another friendly note  I hope your pl insurance doesn't increase because of someone reading that joke. 

I know you were joking about the 2 step thing really, You had me going for a while though.

 Mark I was not joking about climbing and descending ladders two rungs at a time this is something I have always done although now that we don't use ladders that much it is something I very rarely do, My father who is 75 years old has always climbed ladders one rung at a time but descended two rungs at a time as this felt comfortable to him he still finds it easier to descend two rungs at a time now even at his age, he says it just feels awkward if he comes down one rung strides, maybe i should video it and put the post up i am sure i will get slated but you will see how natural it looks when done.

[Tom ling]

To be fair I THINK Most nvq funding, for anyone who is looking to do a qualification 5 years after they did gcse's etc, has been cut not just impact43.
Think the cut of date is august....

All but a couple of select industries still have funding, I am glad so many window cleaning companies grabbed it whilst it was there, we have enjoyed the last Five years and I like to think the companies who attended have made good use of it.

I did thank you  

Me 2 :-)

[Moderator David@stives]

Andrew

I have just enrolled to candidates for Plymouth

Can I still take you up on attending ?

[NBwcs]

"i don't know why every one is just downright rude and horrible to this guy, not nice at all"

 Not nice but neither was the way cleansafe went about finding new work.Never gonna win a popularity contest after that if your name is Willis.
I have no idea whether his course was good or bad and i certainly dont blame him for cashing in if the government were stupid enough to throw that sort of money around, but personally cant see the point in going on a H&S course for window cleaning when the authorities clearly have no intention of "policing" things. We're now 9 yrs on since WAHD was introduced and you can count the amount of prosecutions on one hand.

[Dave Willis]

Nobody loves me 

[mark dew]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1ioz21VqYk

This is how its done, I would call it someone skillfull at their job

haha, yeah all he needed was a squeegee.

However, from a laymans perspective I would say going up 2 steps instead of 1 is dangerous on the basis of there being a hazard between the 2 steps.
ie the step being missed out. 

On another friendly note  I hope your pl insurance doesn't increase because of someone reading that joke. 

I know you were joking about the 2 step thing really, You had me going for a while though.

 Mark I was not joking about climbing and descending ladders two rungs at a time this is something I have always done although now that we don't use ladders that much it is something I very rarely do, My father who is 75 years old has always climbed ladders one rung at a time but descended two rungs at a time as this felt comfortable to him he still finds it easier to descend two rungs at a time now even at his age, he says it just feels awkward if he comes down one rung strides, maybe i should video it and put the post up i am sure i will get slated but you will see how natural it looks when done.

I was joking.