[paul13]

i think were going of on tangent here its about pros and cons not how quick or how much you can earn

Tangent

Why do you window clean if not for the money?
Surely the quickest most profitable way is the only way?

[home6442]

Iv been wfp for almost 5 years and would trad tomorrow if it wasn't for
the safety factor.
Yes there are certain jobs where wfp is going to be handier and quicker
and yes there are people who are making a nice living out of it.
But the fact is as long as there are frames where water can collect, gather dirt
and slowly leak out leaving streaks then wfp will fall short on quality.
Most trad guys do 2 to 3 average size houses an hour how many more could they
do using wfp methods.
Wfp is a safe way to clean windows but as a lot of people have found out
there is a quality price to pay so lets hope your customers aren't that fussy.

 

You've been doing it 5 years and still haven't sussed it out

I have it well sussed.
You don't need to know what your doing or care as long as you have customers who will
put up with it and have no trad competition.
But unfortunately that's not how I like to work.

[home6442]

5yrs even worse , You will always have challanges at some point whether wfo or trad it is how you deal with them .

If you dont get the first clean 100% right you are,just setting yourself up for more chew each and every time . Mike

My window are cleaned to perfection every time but because of problem frames it takes extra time
that's why for me trad would be quicker and less hassle.
But my safety comes first.

[EandM]

Yes

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

With regards the OP of course they do.

[keyser soze]

Iv been wfp for almost 5 years and would trad tomorrow if it wasn't for
the safety factor.
Yes there are certain jobs where wfp is going to be handier and quicker
and yes there are people who are making a nice living out of it.
But the fact is as long as there are frames where water can collect, gather dirt
and slowly leak out leaving streaks then wfp will fall short on quality.
Most trad guys do 2 to 3 average size houses an hour how many more could they
do using wfp methods.
Wfp is a safe way to clean windows but as a lot of people have found out
there is a quality price to pay so lets hope your customers aren't that fussy.



+1

 

[Lee GLS]

its the quality aspect  one job comes to mind .ie window coverd in bird sh#t soaked it went to do the other windows came back could i get  off NO. had to get ladders off and trad it so any one thinks its magic wand it aint

HOT HOT or NOT? You need HOT 

How is your heater going?

[robertphil]

Iv been wfp for almost 5 years and would trad tomorrow if it wasn't for
the safety factor.
Yes there are certain jobs where wfp is going to be handier and quicker
and yes there are people who are making a nice living out of it.
But the fact is as long as there are frames where water can collect, gather dirt
and slowly leak out leaving streaks then wfp will fall short on quality.
Most trad guys do 2 to 3 average size houses an hour how many more could they
do using wfp methods.
Wfp is a safe way to clean windows but as a lot of people have found out
there is a quality price to pay so lets hope your customers aren't that fussy.



+1

 

thats why i will stay trad for the foreseeable future

[gary999]

poster above

you are letting fear hold you back from advancing yourself
especially financially.

our own expectations of how we do our job are generally
higher than our customers.

wfp isnt perfect but it easily does a good enough job to generally
satisfy the customers expectations enable you to do your job
safely and get greater financial reward

if you go into wfp you have to believe in it and yourself
enough so it
enables you to sell your service.if you can do that you really
cant fail.

[G Griffin]

poster above

you are letting fear hold you back from advancing yourself
especially financially.

our own expectations of how we do our job are generally
higher than our customers.

wfp isnt perfect but it easily does a good enough job to generally
satisfy the customers expectations enable you to do your job
safely and get greater financial reward

if you go into wfp you have to believe in it and yourself
enough so it
enables you to sell your service.if you can do that you really
cant fail.

What you on about? He's been watering fed windows for three years.
Get your banjo out.

[gary999]

poster above

you are letting fear hold you back from advancing yourself
especially financially.

our own expectations of how we do our job are generally
higher than our customers.

wfp isnt perfect but it easily does a good enough job to generally
satisfy the customers expectations enable you to do your job
safely and get greater financial reward

if you go into wfp you have to believe in it and yourself
enough so it
enables you to sell your service.if you can do that you really
cant fail.

What you on about? He's been watering fed windows for three years.
Get your banjo out.

[robertphil]

last week i watched the local wfp lad at work, he was very thorough and probably no quicker than me doing it trad . im thinking thats how it should be done

when i first started 5 yrs ago he had 2 or 3  employees /work premises and 2 vans and he rang me up ,the newbie, wanted to sell me some of his work or all of it if i had enough cash . iv now got 4 workers and he now works on his own. im not sure why that is,i know he works very long days and at weekends too .

 this is just my observation

[gary999]

mr alderton you obviously didnt read the post beneath that quote

got a special banjo with just one string for you

[G Griffin]

mr alderton you obviously didnt read the post beneath that quote

got a special banjo with just one string for you

Right  .
I thought you meant the original post  .........use the quote function, then.

[gary999]

my lap top is knackered using xbox tonight it wont use the
quote function properly

[G Griffin]

my lap top is knackered using xbox tonight it wont use the
quote function properly

You're forgiven.
My mistake, anyway  .

[richard jagger]

The cons out weigh the pros on this forum.To many con artists.

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

its the quality aspect  one job comes to mind .ie window coverd in bird sh#t soaked it went to do the other windows came back could i get  off NO. had to get ladders off and trad it so any one thinks its magic wand it aint

HOT HOT or NOT? You need HOT 

How is your heater going?

Going great Lee thanks. Best thing I have bought since wfp! (other than slx11)

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

5yrs even worse , You will always have challanges at some point whether wfo or trad it is how you deal with them .

If you dont get the first clean 100% right you are,just setting yourself up for more chew each and every time . Mike

My window are cleaned to perfection every time but because of problem frames it takes extra time
that's why for me trad would be quicker and less hassle.
But my safety comes first.

At last 2 people who sound like they are cleaning windows properly with wfp.
I could trad 4 an hour but clean around 2.5 an hour wfp, BUT clean all the frames, doors (even garage doors) and charge more.
I will leave the splash and dash for others cleaning 40 houses a day. 

[Mike #1]

An overall observation is that some wfp guys have a little self doubt as to whether they are providint the best service every time .

Due to the fact that we are unable to see if the upstairs window sills etc are as good as the downstairs so it is almost a leap of faith every time it is normal to wonder as now and then i do .

In 8yrs of trad i had 6 complaints in 5 yrs of wfp i have had 14 complaints , Now some of those complaints were in the early stages of converting as i taught myself and gained info of this forum .

Also the weather has some times played its part the wind has ruined the odd window which i have gone back and re-cleaned .

Mistakes are made and will be made simply because we are all human and its is normal for us to make errors  we will never be 100% perfect all the time whether trad or wfp . Mike