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MNWC

  • Posts: 1549
Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« on: May 23, 2013, 12:59:33 pm »
Just came across this website http://www.washforce.co.uk/Boston/ There is a picture of the Willis boys and the phone number is the same as this site http://www.cleansafewindowcleaning.com/

Strange  ???

Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2013, 01:17:46 pm »
Maybe Washforce is the franchise business and Cleansafe the family business. 

If so it's not a bad Idea to keep them apart.

keyser soze

  • Posts: 1694
Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2013, 06:19:13 pm »
maybe one brother has gone into competition with his younger sibling. impact 43 maybe looking for another avenue because their funding isnt gonna be available soon .. im just speculating ;D

gavinb

Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2013, 06:43:33 pm »
maybe one brother has gone into competition with his younger sibling. impact 43 maybe looking for another avenue because their funding isnt gonna be available soon .. im just speculating ;D

Thank god for that im sick of hearing about impact 43 and their micky mouse courses .

lukeg

  • Posts: 116
Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2013, 07:30:40 pm »
I've heard wash force also has pest force and he is buying loads of work around Boston and Skegnes.

Positivity

  • Posts: 571
Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2013, 07:32:12 pm »
maybe one brother has gone into competition with his younger sibling. impact 43 maybe looking for another avenue because their funding isnt gonna be available soon .. im just speculating ;D

Thank god for that im sick of hearing about impact 43 and their micky mouse courses .
Mickey mouse maybe but in this H&S obsessed world. You do need it.

PoleKing

  • Posts: 8974
Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2013, 07:55:03 pm »
maybe one brother has gone into competition with his younger sibling. impact 43 maybe looking for another avenue because their funding isnt gonna be available soon .. im just speculating ;D

Thank god for that im sick of hearing about impact 43 and their micky mouse courses .
Mickey mouse maybe but in this H&S obsessed world. You do need it.

Nope.
Only certain jobs need it. Most don't.
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

It's just the internet. Try not to worry.

DG Cleaning

  • Posts: 1726
Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2013, 08:03:31 pm »
I'm sure Impact 43 will go great guns when the funding stops.
There's not a windy on here who wouldn't pay full price ;D

♠Winp®oClean♠

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Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2013, 08:29:21 pm »
maybe one brother has gone into competition with his younger sibling. impact 43 maybe looking for another avenue because their funding isnt gonna be available soon .. im just speculating ;D

Thank god for that im sick of hearing about impact 43 and their micky mouse courses .

+1

scud

  • Posts: 683
Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2013, 08:34:14 pm »
Just came across this website http://www.washforce.co.uk/Boston/ There is a picture of the Willis boys and the phone number is the same as this site http://www.cleansafewindowcleaning.com/

Strange  ???

  I have been told, from a very reliable source, that cleansafe sold out, and were bought by pestforce.

   Word has it they were loosing money hand over fist, too much equipment, too many miles and prices too low - not that the low prices surprised any of us local too them.

MNWC

  • Posts: 1549
Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2013, 08:49:03 pm »
Hang on a minute this site is the same layout http://www.pest-force.co.uk/  ???

scud

  • Posts: 683
Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2013, 10:25:54 pm »
  Marcus, the owner of pest force has bought cleansafe, obviously rebranded it and seems to have kept the willis's on.

  Pest force is a large concern, he knows what he is doing.

Dave Mills

  • Posts: 277
Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2013, 08:23:27 pm »
Possibly interesting update after I saw David and Michael in a picture after downloading a franchise pack:


According to the franchise pack that Washforce provide, David and Michael Willis say that:

"...We originally set up our own cleaning company and it cost us thousands of pounds to get set up and to advertise and we were struggling.

We heard through a friend of ours about the Washforce franchise opportunity and arranged a meeting with Paul Wilkinson and we bought into Washforce.

Already our workload has increased and Head Office has given us National jobs within weeks of starting, such as Barclays Bank and Natwest"


The thing that makes it really, really odd, is that they are directors of Washforce (UK) Ltd - who I believe are the franchisors of the business.  As well as apparently being franchisees (that's the impression anyone reading the prospectus might take away - take a look using the link below.  Their section looks very much like the sections written by franchisees though I will agree that it doesn't specifically say they have bought a franchise - it's more of an impression given that the page looks identical to the ones written by franchisees and talks about "head office" giving them work). 

The reason I bring it up is that to someone unfamiliar with the Willis boys, it would be easy to read the prospectus and think they were franchisees rather than directors of the franchisor.

Now, given how prone to threatening legal action one of these guys is, I want to be clear that I believe what I'm saying to be fair comment.  I truly feel that anyone reading the prospectus might be confused.  Perhaps they could explain whether they are franchisees, franchisors or both.

Franchise pack at http://www.washforcefranchise.co.uk/prospectus.aspx if you want to check.

PoleKing

  • Posts: 8974
Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2013, 08:42:34 pm »
They used to clean in my road.
All their jobs are now done by a local tradder to my knowledge.

Dave:fret not about 'legal action' a lot of people are all hot air.
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

It's just the internet. Try not to worry.

windymiller

  • Posts: 435
Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2013, 08:44:36 pm »
Dosnt Dave Willis come on here or is it some one with same name ::)roll

keyser soze

  • Posts: 1694
Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2013, 09:15:14 pm »
does anyone really care?

Dave Willis

Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2013, 10:59:06 pm »
No

jarvy

  • Posts: 1048
Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2013, 09:29:12 pm »
www.wedgwoodcleaning.co.uk

"If you were twice as smart, you'd still be stupid"

PoleKing

  • Posts: 8974
Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2013, 09:57:55 pm »
Interesting...
So who owns wash force if Fuff is a franchisee...?
Good luck to 'em
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

It's just the internet. Try not to worry.

Dave Mills

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Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ? New
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2013, 09:59:20 pm »
Mod Note:  I was asked to remove the birth dates.

They are doing it on that advert as well:

"Michaeland David Willis

Hi my name is Michael, me and my brother David have had a Washforce franchise for over a year, with over 800 regular clients. We have gone from strength to strength and believe the key to our success is being a franchise owner. It allows us to concentrate on doing the work and growingour franchise whilst the head office support us and develop the company as awhole, for example the company software, the forms and the leaflets that we use. "

From elsewhere:

Directors of Washforce (UK) Ltd

Mr David Andrew Willis
Born 30 years ago:
Director, Director

Mr Paul Wilkinson
Born 40 years ago:
Director, Director
30 Apr 2013 — Present (6 months, 8 days)

Mr Michael Lee Willis
Born 27 years ago:
Director, Director
30 Apr 2013 — Present (6 months, 8 days)


So, again, they are franchisees in their adverts but they are also directors of the franchisor.  Odd.  Very, very odd.  I'm sure there's a good explanation.

windymiller

  • Posts: 435
Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2013, 10:03:48 pm »
How can you be a franchisee if your a director? surely false advertising , cant they get done for that?

PoleKing

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Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2013, 10:04:37 pm »
Hmmm....

They're much younger than I thought they'd be too

Not that that matters
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

It's just the internet. Try not to worry.

PoleKing

  • Posts: 8974
Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2013, 10:05:45 pm »
And if those guys are directors, shouldn't it be
Washforce LTD?
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

It's just the internet. Try not to worry.

windiewasher

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Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2013, 11:20:44 pm »
Sounds a good deal
Takings off all first cleans till march 7th 2014
October  total=  cleaned  extra per month
November = cleaned extra per month
Total £  so far.

DG Cleaning

  • Posts: 1726
Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2013, 11:32:26 pm »
Take it the noble quest to ensure the safety of all window cleaners has been abandoned then? ;D

windymiller

  • Posts: 435
Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2013, 11:50:08 pm »
Is the Dave Willis from Wash Force/ and the Dave Willis who commented on here with the buffalo avator the same person? If it is im sure he could answer all our questions  ;D

PoleKing

  • Posts: 8974
Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2013, 10:28:16 am »
Is the Dave Willis from Wash Force/ and the Dave Willis who commented on here with the buffalo avator the same person? If it is im sure he could answer all our questions  ;D

Yes.

No, he won't.
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

It's just the internet. Try not to worry.

Dave Mills

  • Posts: 277
Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2013, 10:31:04 am »
Is the Dave Willis from Wash Force/ and the Dave Willis who commented on here with the buffalo avator the same person? If it is im sure he could answer all our questions  ;D

No they aren't the same.

Frankybadboy

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Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2013, 03:28:23 pm »
Is the Dave Willis from Wash Force/ and the Dave Willis who commented on here with the buffalo avator the same person? If it is im sure he could answer all our questions  ;D

No they aren't the same.
o yes they are ;) ;D ;D ;D

Barryman

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Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2013, 07:56:11 am »
 ;D

Pete Thompson

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Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2013, 02:06:19 pm »
Quote
Take it the noble quest to ensure the safety of all window cleaners has been abandoned then?

LOL!

I wonder if they cordon everything off?

I bet they don't.  We need someone who lives near there to get snappy with their camera phone!

Now that would be hilarious, a nice thread on here showing them working without cordons, what they claimed was "ILLEGAL" ha ha ha

Dave Willis

Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2013, 04:10:54 pm »
 :o

Neil Gornall

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Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2013, 09:06:46 am »
It seems Impact 43 have either shut down or re branded as Clean 143

I guess the pot of money for training is empty.

http://clean143.com/

davids3511

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Re: Whats happened to the Clean safe boys ?
« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2013, 09:15:40 am »
Quote
Take it the noble quest to ensure the safety of all window cleaners has been abandoned then?

LOL!

I wonder if they cordon everything off?

I bet they don't.  We need someone who lives near there to get snappy with their camera phone!

Now that would be hilarious, a nice thread on here showing them working without cordons, what they claimed was "ILLEGAL" ha ha ha
He could well be right about cordning off. A windy was pulled in Stockport last week by a jobsworth h&s official who told him that the working area should be cordoned off from the public.