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PoleKing

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Re: Why do they continue trad?
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2013, 09:27:19 pm »
The thing is with this forum is that there are the obvious few who work hard,earn decent money and don't talk about it. Then there's the lot who sound off but either live with their mum or in a dump somewhere who have a wife who works full time to subsidise the money they think they earn and moan at the first sign of rain. It doesn't matter if your trad or wfp or what you earn,leave that to those with big egos and be happy with you have. I don't see many on here in a 4 bed detached with a wife that doesn't work and a decent car.

I like this post.
The emptiest vessels make the loudest noise.
The only people who know what I earn is me and HMRC. Not even the wife knows.
A few people have asked me over the last few years for advice in setting up WC. I always say first & foremost-never never never tell anyone what you earn!
Let people think what they want to think.
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

It's just the internet. Try not to worry.

steven 1

Re: Why do they continue trad?
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2013, 09:36:54 pm »
I think it took me time to be convinced that leaving the windows wet would be ok, got a little discouraged when some windows dried with the odd run (that was due to previous window cleaner using washing up liquid), but that goes eventually. you get used to which house you have problems with and give extra care.
I think that the only advantage of trad is on big shop windows.

But i do think wfp is better.

1) you can get to any window (above conservatory)
2) you give a complete clean (frames)
3) windows stay clean longer ( my customers like that and still clean 4w)
4) Looks more professional
5) no risks
6) quicker
7) customer privacy
8) Hands not split from soapy water (LOL)

Steve.

Richard iSparkle

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Re: Why do they continue trad?
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2013, 09:37:22 pm »
Trad for 15 years and wfp for 7 years.

To answer the question I think it's because some just don't like change.

Nail on head



if people are entrepreneurial the only option is really WFP due to so many benefits (not least speed, safety, earning potential)

if people have set themselves up and are earning all the money they need, and have a job they are happy doing why would they change over?

they might have started motivated to grow a business, but got into a comfort zone and stay there.  

there's also nothing wrong with being in your comfort zone, so long as you are content with where you are

surely if your entrepreneurial then you'd be trying to invent something new or change window cleaning totally from what it is now, being an entrepreneur is not someone who just runs a business the same as everyone else? or maybe im wrong and im actually now classed as an entrepreneur wahay, move over Dicky Branson

the term entrepreneur is used in relation to someone who sets themselves up in enterprise.

the term is used in the media usually referring to some big new idea businesses, as i guess they make interesting stories.

richard branson was in the music retail industry, and has hopped around different industries since then.  

i think it just means someone who sets up their own business, so yes you are an entrepreneur!
iSparkle Window Cleaning

www.isparklewindowcleaning.uk

Ste M

  • Posts: 1826
Re: Why do they continue trad?
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2013, 09:45:17 pm »
ill go buy an island now then haha. Dicky actually started in the magazine business, got to say he's one of my idols, fantastic man

G Griffin

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Re: Why do they continue trad?
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2013, 09:46:44 pm »
'Cos they don't like shortbread.
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stig

  • Posts: 244
Re: Why do they continue trad?
« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2013, 09:55:02 pm »
.....I was trad only for 20 yrs and for the last 6 yrs I've been 50-50 trad and waterfed,,(trolley dolly- as some call us ). But you know what....I'm picking up more work now because far too many NEW window cleaners think..oh I'll buy a shiny new van and one of them water thingys and make a fortune-- but the work I'm getting is mainly because some ain't got a bloody clue, experience in both"priceless".........THICK??
dont crap on people on theway up,you might meet um on the way down...

julianbiggs

  • Posts: 395
Re: Why do they continue trad?
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2013, 10:17:42 pm »
I know !

We were  off on Thursday and Friday last week cause we're wfp we've nailed the work in the good weather. Drove past a couple of chaps we know ( and get on with ) a couple of times both days, theyre trad and theyre still working ! Point is were doing 30-40 jobs a day and theyre doing 20-25. We know this cause we did trad for 7 years. Weve spoken to them about going wfp and its all negative responses...hey ho !

Knocker

  • Posts: 180
Re: Why do they continue trad?
« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2013, 10:20:57 pm »
Like I said earlier some people can not be helped

MATT BATEMAN (OWC)

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Re: Why do they continue trad?
« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2013, 10:22:51 pm »
Some window cleaners are as thick as s..t, you will never convince them in a million years.

Some people are thick as sh!t and some people are thick as sh!t and dont have any motivation either.

home6442

Re: Why do they continue trad?
« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2013, 10:23:48 pm »
I wonder how many of you smug wfp window cleaners would make a living if
you had any competition.
Most of you wouldn't know a clean window if it hit you on the head.
A professional trad cleaner can guarantee quality.
Doesn't matter how good you are at wfp cleaning, you cant.
Sick of new wfp cleaners putting down guys who have forgot more about
cleaning windows than they will ever know.



Not getting involved in this argument BUT, I guarantee all our wfp work. Perfect results every time. NEVER had a call back yet. 3 years wfp.






Because of frame design its impossible to get perfect results every time using wfp.
I would say that 80% of my work would be perfect 20% wouldn't.
I have never got a call back in 4 years of wfp cleaning but I don't put it down to perfection.

G Griffin

  • Posts: 40745
Re: Why do they continue trad?
« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2013, 10:28:30 pm »
I've never had a call back for wfp work.
It's not due to the system, it's because I haven't got a phone.
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luther1

  • Posts: 1071
Re: Why do they continue trad?
« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2013, 10:32:46 pm »
I know !

We were  off on Thursday and Friday last week cause we're wfp we've nailed the work in the good weather. Drove past a couple of chaps we know ( and get on with ) a couple of times both days, theyre trad and theyre still working ! Point is were doing 30-40 jobs a day and theyre doing 20-25. We know this cause we did trad for 7 years. Weve spoken to them about going wfp and its all negative responses...hey ho !

So,in April you've run out of work. That doesn't mean you've nailed it,it means you don't have a full round. Plus,the other guys might be charging double what you do and be laughing at the part timers?

David Kent @ KentKleen

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Re: Why do they continue trad?
« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2013, 10:34:14 pm »
frame design? OHHHH you mean the frames with 2 openers on top with 1 large window below. Its all about technique.  ;D IF thats the frame design you mean?

David Kent @ KentKleen

  • Posts: 1712
Re: Why do they continue trad?
« Reply #33 on: May 01, 2013, 10:36:31 pm »
I've never had a call back for wfp work.
It's not due to the system, it's because I haven't got a phone.

lol

David Kent @ KentKleen

  • Posts: 1712
Re: Why do they continue trad?
« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2013, 10:39:28 pm »
I know !

We were  off on Thursday and Friday last week cause we're wfp we've nailed the work in the good weather. Drove past a couple of chaps we know ( and get on with ) a couple of times both days, theyre trad and theyre still working ! Point is were doing 30-40 jobs a day and theyre doing 20-25. We know this cause we did trad for 7 years. Weve spoken to them about going wfp and its all negative responses...hey ho !

So,in April you've run out of work. That doesn't mean you've nailed it,it means you don't have a full round. Plus,the other guys might be charging double what you do and be laughing at the part timers?

OR
the wfp'ers have charged double and have earned what they need to earn. Who knows? I wish i was up to date with my work.

one eyed window cleaning

  • Posts: 181
Re: Why do they continue trad?
« Reply #35 on: May 01, 2013, 10:40:18 pm »
I can trad and wfp, so if a potential customer is willing to pay x2 or x3 on a wfp price then I will trad. £££ ;-)
In the land of the blind the one eyed man is King.

luther1

  • Posts: 1071
Re: Why do they continue trad?
« Reply #36 on: May 01, 2013, 10:45:01 pm »
I know !

We were  off on Thursday and Friday last week cause we're wfp we've nailed the work in the good weather. Drove past a couple of chaps we know ( and get on with ) a couple of times both days, theyre trad and theyre still working ! Point is were doing 30-40 jobs a day and theyre doing 20-25. We know this cause we did trad for 7 years. Weve spoken to them about going wfp and its all negative responses...hey ho !

So,in April you've run out of work. That doesn't mean you've nailed it,it means you don't have a full round. Plus,the other guys might be charging double what you do and be laughing at the part timers?

OR
the wfp'ers have charged double and have earned what they need to earn. Who knows? I wish i was up to date with my work.

If anyone one is up to date by the end of April then their round isn't full. Be busy during summer and late during winter when it doesn't matter

C o z y

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Re: Why do they continue trad?
« Reply #37 on: May 01, 2013, 10:57:04 pm »
I don't see a problem here. We get these WFP V Trad threads about once a month.

I'm trad, so according to some on here, I must be thick. I work about 12 to 14 days a month, about 4 hours a day on about 300 or so domestic custies. I have a few commercial jobs too, but nothing to change the world. I work mostly MOD soldiers houses in Germany and have complete muppets as competiton, so no comparison with you guys in UK. However, I can say, hand on heart, if I worked on the type of windows that you guys have in UK, I'd be WFP. To get to some of the windows above porches and sloped roof buildings, it makes sense. But the biggest thing is safety.

Over here, nearly all windows are UPVC and one piece, so dead easy to clean trad. Many have vents, so a problem for WFP because or runs etc. Both methods have advantages, but I prefer trad for speed. I've been going for over 23 years by the way, and have slipped off my ladders once and am careful.

The trad guys out there in UK will always have a certain advantage over the WFP for now, as a lot of custies don't trust WFP if they don't know it. Also, any prat can go around waving a pole about and causing all sorts of bad press for the other WFPers.

This makes some WFP guys feel insecure and who can blame them. The amount of new vans around is down to the fact that working at height and a certain amount of skill are no longer needed in the game.

As long as trad guys are about, WFP guys have an uphill struggle to get and keep custies who still have a choice of method. If any person thinks trad guys use trad methods because they're thick, needs to take a good look at the trad guys who post on here. They tend to be older than 30, have had at least a fair amount of a good education and can type in English and not "bingo" or "Nokia" text.

They don't seem to post too often about kit problems, losing custies, or vehicle off the road, cant work problems. They very rarely ask for advice, as they've kept their business simple and contant. If that comes across as being thick to some of the more  superior window cleaners on here, then that's the way they see it.

How some brag and bluster about earnings on here and how great they are is a real source of entertainment to some of us. The next post these people make is "How do I get commercial" or " How do I get more people to pay on time" etc etc. Then of course, in winter, after earning millions all year, they're broke because they can't work (yawn).

Newsflash guys. We are the bottom of the food chain in the service industry. We perform a service that isn't exactly life or death. If we don't clean the windows, nobody dies. So try get used to the fact that we aren't in a trade that's studied or learned, we just clean bloody windows. Some do it well with poles, some with a mop and squeegy. It's dead easy to earn good money for most of us. Those that have a problem with what method others use are just insecure and can't even clean a window without a van full of water, a 100 yard long hose, and a pole with a bloody brush on the end.

The funny part is when these "advanced window cleaners" come onto here asking how to clean the insides!!!!
I love this forum  ;D ;D
No still don't understand, I must be thick

David Kent @ KentKleen

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Re: Why do they continue trad?
« Reply #38 on: May 01, 2013, 11:07:10 pm »
I don't see a problem here. We get these WFP V Trad threads about once a month.

I'm trad, so according to some on here, I must be thick. I work about 12 to 14 days a month, about 4 hours a day on about 300 or so domestic custies. I have a few commercial jobs too, but nothing to change the world. I work mostly MOD soldiers houses in Germany and have complete muppets as competiton, so no comparison with you guys in UK. However, I can say, hand on heart, if I worked on the type of windows that you guys have in UK, I'd be WFP. To get to some of the windows above porches and sloped roof buildings, it makes sense. But the biggest thing is safety.

Over here, nearly all windows are UPVC and one piece, so dead easy to clean trad. Many have vents, so a problem for WFP because or runs etc. Both methods have advantages, but I prefer trad for speed. I've been going for over 23 years by the way, and have slipped off my ladders once and am careful.

The trad guys out there in UK will always have a certain advantage over the WFP for now, as a lot of custies don't trust WFP if they don't know it. Also, any prat can go around waving a pole about and causing all sorts of bad press for the other WFPers.

This makes some WFP guys feel insecure and who can blame them. The amount of new vans around is down to the fact that working at height and a certain amount of skill are no longer needed in the game.

As long as trad guys are about, WFP guys have an uphill struggle to get and keep custies who still have a choice of method. If any person thinks trad guys use trad methods because they're thick, needs to take a good look at the trad guys who post on here. They tend to be older than 30, have had at least a fair amount of a good education and can type in English and not "bingo" or "Nokia" text.

They don't seem to post too often about kit problems, losing custies, or vehicle off the road, cant work problems. They very rarely ask for advice, as they've kept their business simple and contant. If that comes across as being thick to some of the more  superior window cleaners on here, then that's the way they see it.

How some brag and bluster about earnings on here and how great they are is a real source of entertainment to some of us. The next post these people make is "How do I get commercial" or " How do I get more people to pay on time" etc etc. Then of course, in winter, after earning millions all year, they're broke because they can't work (yawn).

Newsflash guys. We are the bottom of the food chain in the service industry. We perform a service that isn't exactly life or death. If we don't clean the windows, nobody dies. So try get used to the fact that we aren't in a trade that's studied or learned, we just clean bloody windows. Some do it well with poles, some with a mop and squeegy. It's dead easy to earn good money for most of us. Those that have a problem with what method others use are just insecure and can't even clean a window without a van full of water, a 100 yard long hose, and a pole with a bloody brush on the end.

The funny part is when these "advanced window cleaners" come onto here asking how to clean the insides!!!!
I love this forum  ;D ;D

Should that be 'constant' or am I just thick?  ;D

home6442

Re: Why do they continue trad?
« Reply #39 on: May 01, 2013, 11:08:15 pm »
frame design? OHHHH you mean the frames with 2 openers on top with 1 large window below. Its all about technique.  ;D IF thats the frame design you mean?





Yes the very thing
Water fills up in the opener and slowly leaks out through the drain hole after you have left leaving dirty runs.
What is your technique to solve this. Wouldn't be to trad by any chance ;D